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Holy crap I need this but can't get it. I want to see the entire Monday Night War thing, that sounds really cool.

What's the best crimson mask you've ever seen? Feel free to add pictures to illustrate. I'll start by posting one of Madman Pondo that's kinda bloody.

As great as Rock/Austin is, the WM8 title match is my second favorite match ever, so I had to go with that here. Just a PHENOMENAL match.

Don't forget the original Nathan Jones gimmick was that he was a mastermind who planned mass prison escapes and shit like that. Heidenreich has looked weird so far, but definitely not like a genius.

I like how Michael Cole thinks it's a "SHOCKER" than RVD and Misterio get a tag title shot at No Mercy.

Wow, Steph's voice is REAAAAAAAAALLY scary now.

I'm watching the show on tape since I had class during it. Anyways, I was wondering why not make Torrie and Dawn managers of someone. I mean they're just used for pointless T&A anyways, they could still do that as managers. I mean, in-character, what the fuck is their point on Smackdown anyways? There's no title for them to be going after. Why not have them do SOMETHING?

It's on the video release I have. Is it not on all of them? I actually can't remember if it's on mine or not. I know I don't have Hart vs. Taker on mine though.

Yeah, that's a pretty cool dark match the fans got to see. Surprised it was never done on PPV. And hell, why not add Undertaker to the Survivor Series 97 main event, put the title on him instead of Shawn, and then give HBK the title at the December IYH? Anyways I'm getting ahead of myself.

I think they did it more than once. Remember, a lot of stuff off the pay per view didn't make the video release.

Yeah, they released them separately. I still have to buy the night show.

CZW 9/11/04 Day Show ====================== Match one: Merc vs. DJ Hyde vs. Eddie Kingston vs. Jon Dahmer: Not much up here. Lots of stalling, a few good forearm exchanges by Hyde and Kingston, one or two nice spots, no flow at all, and Kingston wins with a funky leg submission on Hyde after about 8:00 or so. Forgot to time this one. Pretty much fast forward material. * Match two: Chris Hero vs. Alex Shelley (CZW Ironman title): Hero is great on the mic before the match, claiming he has defending his Ironman title against everyone, including Larry Zbysko and Virgil. He also says that he beat the first Alex Shelley, the second Alex Shelley, the second-to-last Alex Shelley, and now he'll beat "The Next" Alex Shelley. Hero plays heel and works over Shelley's left arm/shoulder during the match and does a good job of it with some cool stuff. Shelley hits an Eye of the Hurricane type move that Garuglio (sp) miscalls the Shellshock. He then calls a Cravate Suplex a Hangman's Clutch suplex. They counter several moves and Hero keeps going back to the arm and shoulder. Hero hooks a variation Hangman's Clutch for the win at 10:00. Solid ten minute match, but it felt really rushed, and something was really missing here. These guys would be great in a 25-30 minute match, but I don't think that should happen in front of a CZW crowd. **1/2 John House calls out M-Dogg 20 and Jimmy Rave, and they rip on the crowd a bit. Sonjay and Red come out for their tag match. Match three: M-Dogg 20 and Jimmy Rave vs. Amazing Red and Sonjay Dutt: Rave and M-Dogg almost immediately take control and work Dutt over for the majority of the match. One cool spot is where Rave does the old "fake the knee injury" thing, but Dutt doesn't play stupid babyface, and instead stomps the knee, saying he doesnt' care. I liked that. Red gets the hot tag seven minutes in and cleans house without moving very much, which is weird for him. Dutt and Red hit stereo standing shooting star presses. Another cool spot as Rave catches Red on a cross body, but Dutt hits a springboard double knee to the back (that move John Walters does) and Red lands on top for a two count. The end comes with Rave hitting a shining wizard on Dutt, and M-Dogg pinning him with his feet on the ropes at 10:00. Decent match, though Red looked really slow in here, as if he's still injured. Rave and Dutt looked far better than the other two in this match. **1/4 M-Dogg and Rave do a beatdown after the match, but Los Maximos make the save. Match four: All Money is Legal vs. Ghost Shadow and Spyral: They do some lucha-style stuff to start. They then start hitting some spots, so the match is basically a spot, 2 count, pickup, some punches, and the next spot, with some tags thrown in. These guys need to work on their transitioning, like a lot of indy workers. They hit some cool moves, however, so it's kind of like an ROH tag team scramble but with only two teams and therefore not the "non stop action" of a scramble. Ghost Shadow powerbombs one of the AMIL guys to the floor onto the other guy, and then hits a dive to the floor. They hit a few more spots, some good and some bad. Ghost Shadow finally gets pinned at 8:15 after a Gory Special/Swinging DDT combo-type move. These guys would be good in a four team tag scramble match, but in a traditional tag match it comes off as spotty and sloppy. Some nice spots here and there, though. *1/4 Ghost Shadow and Spyral argue after the match, so Shadow drills him with a forearm and leaves. Match five: Super Dragon vs. B-Boy vs. Bobby Quance vs. Excalibur: Before the match, Excalibur challenges Road Warrior Hawk to a match. The ring announcer informs Excalibur that Hawk is dead, so Excalibur says "he's dead...dead SCARED of me!" I guess that's funny or tasteless depending on your sense of humor. B-Boy's entrance is fun every time. Super Dragon and B-Boy get huge pops. Chris Hero comes out to join the announcers, since the winner will face him at the night show. Slow first few minutes, with some nice exchanges. They start to crank it up with some sick submission holds and strikes. Lots of awesome stuff near the end, too much to write and I'm having fun watching it. Super Dragon wins it with a Psycho Driver on Excalibur at 21:30. This was just a ton of fun, maybe the best fourway I've seen. They bust out everything here and the crowd loved it. **** Hero cheap shots Dragon after the match and hooks the Hangman's Clutch. Match six: Blackout vs. Los Maximos (CZW tag team championship): Blackout brings out a stripper who takes her shirt off (with just pasties on underneath), and this is what caused them to lose their license after a mother in the crowd complained. This is another match where judging by the competitors you probably know pretty much what to expect. The weird thing is that Blackout, the heels, play faces in peril most of the match while the Maximos dominate. The SAT's hit the Spanish Fly, but the ref is pulled out of the ring. Eddie Kingston interferes, and Sabin gets the pinfall at 17:15. Yeah, they gave these teams over seventeen minutes. Going in I thought this would be horrible, sloppy, and a spotfest, but it really wasn't that bad. They blew several spots, but it wasn't too bad of a tag match, though nothing great either. **1/4 Match seven: Mike Quakenbush, Gran Akuma, Icarus, Mister Zero and Shane Storm vs. BlackJack Marciano, Jigsaw, Hallowicked, Ultramantis Black & "Sweet & Sour" Larry Sweeney: Holy crap this was a lot of fun. With ten guys in the match I decided not even to try recapping it. There's tons of fun spots in here, comedy, and lucha style action. It's not a serious match at all, really, but it's just a lot of fun and the CZW crowd really enjoyed it. It ends with Icarus jumping off Quack and Akuma's shoulder as they sat on Zero and Storms' shoulders, splashing Sweeney for the pin. Hard to rate it because it's so different than the rest of the show, but that's what Chikara is all about - fun. It went 14:30 and was certainly a breath of fresh air. ***1/4 Justice Pain and Messiah brawl, as they fight on the evening show for the world title. Match eight: Adam Flash vs. Ian Knoxx (Steel cage): This was a real disappointment. They just never had any emotion, and weren't able to covince the audience that we should care about this blowoff cage match. The end comes when Knoxx misses a move off the top of the cage, so Flash climbs up with Knoxx on a table for his Last Call guillotine leg drop. Messiah wanders out and "accidentally" shoves the ref into the cage, crotching Flash. Knoxx tosses Flash off and hits an elbow drop off the top through the table (though the bump probably didn't look as good as it should have) and gets the pinfall at 12:00. Like I said...disappointing, though not horrible. *3/4 I guess this sets up Messiah and Flash in a feud? The H8 Club and Blackout exchange words about their weapons cage match coming up on the evening show as we close things out. Final thoughts: Well, the stuff I thought would be good (West Coast 4-way, Chikara, Shelley/Hero) was good, though Shelley/Hero could have been SO much better with a little time. The stuff I thought would suck pretty much did, though nothing here was offensive at all. Not bad for an afternoon card. Make sure to check out the four way match if you get a chance.

I read somewhere (maybe even here) that Bob Backlund's long run in the 1993 Royal Rumble was booked as a joke, and that everyone joked around about Backlund at the time because he was so weird, and didn't drink or do any drugs or anything like that. Is that true? Also, why was Earthquake at Wrestlemania 10, squashing Adam Bomb? Was he still wrestling fulltime with them at that point? I don't remember him really doing much after Typhoon left to become the Shockmaster in WCW. Oh, and one more thing. What happened to Mr. Hughes in 1993? Where did he disappear to?

Yeah, I remember that moment, it was just awesome. The crowd was going nuts, and then Vince comes out and books the triple threat match at Survivor Series that sadly never happened. One of the last few times (though there have been others) that I actually marked out while watching the WWF/E. Sad, but true!

Two PWG shows in one month is very cool. Hopefully they have a really good lineup for that second show...and hell, they should add Joe vs. Dragon for the first one.

Gabe Sapolsky posted on the ROH board that Bossman told him he might have been coming back to the WWE in November. Another Bossman moment...does anyone else remember him and Albert tear gassing Big Show or something like that? I vaguely recall that...

I'd like to see someone do his slide under the ring rope, then pop them with an uppercut spot. It would be nice to see someone do it on RAW. It'd be nice to see someone win a match with the Bossman slam, too. That reminds me of another great Bossman moment...shocking EVERYBODY and pinning the Rock to earn a title shot against Big Show at Armageddon in 1999. I remember that moment...seemed like the crowd just died once Bull Buchanon ran in, and they did the beatdown on him. Was Bull already around then? I thought he debuted right before WM2000. Al Snow's dog was Pepper. Man was that some Wrestlecrap. And of course it led to Kennel in a Cell.

I'd like to see someone do his slide under the ring rope, then pop them with an uppercut spot. It would be nice to see someone do it on RAW. It'd be nice to see someone win a match with the Bossman slam, too. That reminds me of another great Bossman moment...shocking EVERYBODY and pinning the Rock to earn a title shot against Big Show at Armageddon in 1999.

Bossman (and Akeem?) eliminated Hogan at the '89 Rumble, stunning the crowd who had expected Hogan to win. The Towers and Mega-Powers feud that began in the fall of 1988, spawned the angle that led me to initially follow professional wrestling. Of course, I'm talking about the infamous tag match on the February SNME show, as well as the cage match blowoff he had with Hogan in the May SNME, which led Hogan into his new feud with Tiny "Zeus" Lister. Didn't he even take a superplex from the top of the cage from Hogan?

I really hope the WWE gives him a nice tribute before Smackdown or during RAW.

I have never actually seen that Rumble...how did the Hogan elimination come about? I'd be remiss not to mention the Twin Towers, one of the best big man tag teams in history, IMO. He had a pretty damn good run in WCW in 1994 as The Boss. The matches with Vader were good. Anyone else remember his 1-2 week face turn in 1999?

My favorite Bossman moment is from one of the Foley books. Foley is wrestling Bossman at an amusement park and says something about how he saw Bossman puking after riding the Scooby Doo (a small kid's) ride. Bossman then, instead of denying it, says something to the effect of "hey, I have a weak stomach for those things!" I didn't get it exactly right, but you get the idea. Rest in peace, Ray Traylor.

I just watched that to see what you were talking about, and got a good laugh out of it. And of course Vince says "Barry Horowitz could very well win this!" Can someone PLEEEEEEEEASE post the full text of Jake Roberts' interview on the Heroes of Wrestling PPV?

Found this on the Rajah forums, sounds true. This is what happens in the Eddie/Show vs. Kurt/Luther match: Eddie hits a frog splash off of Show's shoulders and is about to get the pin when Mark Jindrak (?) breaks up the pin and beats down Eddie. Show fights them off but Kurt comes from behind and hits Show with a tranquilizer dart. He then cuts off Show's hair. I'm sure full spoilers will be up soon, but I figured I'd post this anyways.