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Or they could get rid of Viscera and call up Johnny Nitro and Joey Matthews from OVW.

That match was awesome. So many lucha reversal spots, top rope moves, and trading holds on the mat.

Who is the Heat ring announcer?

John Cena has a shitty finisher, and the fans still cheer him. But yeah, I still agree. BIG VIS UP NEXT!

If he was a second generation athlete, JR would be set.

I haven't watched Heat in weeks...good to see that Grisham is gone, I hear he's horrible.

Well done, Phenom...well done.

I think this thread is heading its way towards "classic"...

So would the clock stop and they'd still get to kick the field goal then, even after the penalty?

I liked Eddie's pre-No Way Out stuff from earlier this year. The best promos are ones with real emotion involved in them. It's not so much "acting" then.

Okay, so what happens if you're a quarterback and you throw a pass, but you're past the line of scrimmage when you throw it? It's an illegal forward pass, right, which is just a penalty? And what about this situation, which I heard happened in a D2 game the other day. There's like 20 seconds to go in the half, and it's 3rd and goal and like the 8, no time outs left for the team on offense. The quarterback goes for a pass, can't find anyone, and runs towards the endzone. He realizes he's not going to make it, so he throws the ball out of the back of the endzone (somewhat towards a receiver), throwing it from like the 3 or 4 yard line. His thinking is that he wants to stop the clock and at least get a field goal. What happens in that situation? Would they just take a penalty and still be able to kick a field goal?

And Foley's promo on Orton where he was bleeding and got spit on was not a "typical" promo. The crowd was pretty much dead silent for it, but it told a great story and was part of a very good feud with Orton. I agree with what Rudo said above...it's all about the pop, which gives us promos that feel like promos. It's like if you watched a movie and the whole time watching you were annoyed because the actors sounded like they were ACTING, and not like it was REAL. Same deal here.

The PPV will be fine, but not worth $30. I'm sure I'll be a horrible person and download it on PWTorrents tomorrow or something if any of the matches are said to be good.

Hell, for me the price of the DVD is easily worth it for Joe vs. Punk and the Heenan/Cornette stuff alone. Anything else is icing on the cake.

Well, I agree and I'm glad they didn't go for another very long match. I think the issue was more that the build made people think they'd go over 60, rather than people thinking the match was bad because it went less than the 60 though. The build was that the issue hadn't be settled in 60 minutes, so they gave it no time limit...which you could be forgiven for thinking meant they were planning, say, a 90 minute plus match. It's not quite that people hoped it'd be long...more 'expected'. Or predicted. It's like when Hero and Punk wrestled earlier this year...their last match had gone 93 minutes. This time they went "only" 56 and some fans were let down. Now that's just stupid. From what I've heard, the match was great and had tons of cool little things in it that pay off the previous matches. I can't wait to see it.

There's just a HUGE part of getting guys over the WWE is missing the boat on here. Not that I'm surprised, really...but a manager starting up his own stable...that's classic stuff, and can help to get guys over who need a mouthpiece or something to get the fan's attention. Look at how Heyman has helped Heidenreich. And Daivari wouldn't even have a job with the WWE as a manager if he couldn't speak a language that sounded somewhat like Arabic. Mark Magnus (Mohammad Hassan) can't do that, so that's why they need Daivari.

True, though I remember him getting the winning pinfall at Summerslam 2000. I think Stevie would really excel in a manager position again. He can talk, bump, and gets into everything he does. But I think the WWE should use managers in other spots, as well.

Joe vs. Aries for the title has been announced for 12/26.

I'd really love it if ROH DVDs let you turn off commentary. The dubbed over commentary takes away the sound from the shows as it is. It's nice to be able to hear things, which is why I wish they did live commentary or something.

After reading tonight's Ring of Honor results, I realized that ROH effectively used four managers on tonight's show: Julius Smokes and Prince Nana, both great heel managers, and the classic Jim Cornette and Bobby Heenan confrontation on the show. Why has the use of managers declined so much? They can be such a huge part in getting characters over. They can be a lot of fun, doing things to help their clients cheat. They can give promos for guys who aren't the best talkers. With great managers in the past like Cornette, Heenan, Jimmy Hart, Gary Hart, Paul Ellering, etc...why has the use of managers declined so much? I've always thought Steven Richards would be a great heel manager when his in-ring time was done. I'm sure there are others out there who would do a great job as well and help get characters over. Heyman has really helped Heidenreich, for example. Wouldn't it be fun to see somebody on the opposite side of the ring, managing and cheating against Heyman?

ROH's commentary isn't that bad, as Punk and Nulty have been good on color commentary recently, I think. Gabe is kind of annoying at times as play by play man, but oh well.

I wonder if Aries/Ki will have a rematch, or will both get a title shot, or what. I'm guessing Joe vs. Corino on 12/26 for the belt, but who knows. Live reports seem to say Joe vs. Punk was very good, even if "only" a half hour. Gotta see the Heenan/Cornette stuff, I'm sure it's gold.

I think Aries vs. Ki was a 20 minute draw.

I'm sure Abdullah the Butcher has worn a crimson mask on more than one occasion.

Nah, Samoa Joe isn't about hardcore either. Show sounds good, can't wait to hear live reports. I'm sure lots of people will bitch about Joe retaining the title, like they do every time he retains. I really don't expect him to drop the belt until after the 2-year mark, though.