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I read that too, but it was Scott Keith who said it. If that was the case, they didn't plan it for long, or else there was no way Luger would beat Borga clean at Survivor Series 93. Also, Yokozuna had the title at the Royal Rumble, so it would have had to go from a heel to a heel by Wrestlemania time. I really don't believe it, but I could be wrong.

Actually no it was supposed to be Bret vs HBK rematch, with Bret going over. Can't remember where I read it but the HBK/Bret rematch was supposed to be at WM 13. Shawn bailed, the double turn happened instead and from that point, Bret vs. Austin was in the books for WM 14 where Austin could finally go over. According to Meltzer, the original plan for WM 13 was for Bret to beat HBK by catching him trying the sweet chin music and "breaking his ankle" with a gimmicked boot. Of course HBK lost his smile so that never happened. Around the time of the Survivor Series screw job, they were planning out what to do with Bret if he stuck around until Wrestlemania. The plan they had was for Bret to beat HBK at Survivor Series, and then for HBK to win the title in a four way at the December PPV (Degeneration-X) that included Undertaker and Shamrock. HBK would beat Bret in a ladder match at the Royal Rumble. The next night, Bret would come out and make one last challenge to HBK, putting his career on the line, and beat him for the belt. Then Bret would drop the title to Austin at Wrestlemania.

WRESTLER OF THE YEAR Chris Benoit -HHH a close second, I think. TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR Others -Rey Misterio and RVD get it for me, they've had more good tag matches than anybody. Bad year for tag teams though. NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR Gene Snitsky -Snitsky is going to get a huge push. MOST IMPROVED WRESTLER John Bradshaw Layfield -This is a hard one to pick, but JBL, even though he's still only average, has probably improved more than others on the list. FINISHER OF THE YEAR Randy Orton’s RKO -It's the only thing about him that gets a pop. ANGLE OF THE YEAR Other -Orton/Foley, if it counts as an angle and a feud too. FEUD OF THE YEAR Mick Foley vs Randy Orton MATCH OF THE YEAR Triple H vs Chris Benoit vs Shawn Michaels (Wrestlemania XX) -Surprised that Eddie vs. Lesnar isn't on here. TV MATCH OF THE YEAR Chris Jericho vs Christian (Steel Cage Match) (Monday Night RAW – May 2004) -I loved this match. PAY-PER-VIEW OF THE YEAR Wrestlemania XX -Backlash is a close second, and should be on the list.

The original plan for KOTR 1997 was Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels with all Hart Foundation members chained outside to a the ring posts. If Bret lost, he wouldn't wrestle in America again, so I guess this was when Bret was to get his job back. But Bret was hurt, so they changed it to HBK vs. Austin instead. Plans in 1999 were to have a "Gates of Hell" match at Summerslam, with either Rock vs. Taker or Big Show vs. Taker. The match was to have an opening in the center of the ring that would open every minute or two, and you'd have to shove your opponent into the pits of fire to win. Test was originally booked to beat HHH for the title on RAW in 1999, but Vince changed his mind at the last minute and had HHH retain.

And of course Russo booking meant that they had Austin vs. Big Show a few weeks after he debuted, at the show before WM 15.

Franky is a great promo man. I've only seen him wrestle one match before (as I've only seen one IWS tape before), but he can cut awesome promos and has a good look, so good for him. Kind of surprised Steen lost the belt, but maybe he's leaving? Didn't he have an OVW tryout a while back?

I think we can all agree that Connie Chung would be the perfect replacement.

That's awesome. I want to see Blitzkrieg face Evans if at all possible...of course I can't go live, but hopefully can see it on tape.

I can see the title going to Aries, but not on 12/26. Maybe at the 2nd anniversary show or later in a rematch. Joe still has a few fresh title defenses they might as well get through before he drops it. (Corino, Shelley, Nigel, etc)

It'll be HHH vs. Orton at WM. End of story.

Okay if 20 guys in the ring can't put HHH over the top rope I'm going to be pretty pissed at the stupid booking. HHH HAS to lose the title next week and then win it back at New Year's Revolution. Anything else at this point would just be retarded.

It's true. Kenzo's done it before. Literally. Kenzo Suzuki is a murderer?

I wonder who told Barnett. And how can Jeff Jarrett get ousted as booker IN HIS OWN COMPANY?

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Well, other than the two we already mentioned, yeah. I have some issues with a few of his ratings, but usually he's pretty on the mark I think.

He gave Angle/Benoit from the Rumble ****3/4. There's a full list at: http://www.geocities.com/mfoy18/wwfstarlist.html

Somehow I doubt Ultimo Dragon is going to win the IC title... Wasn't Ahmed supposed to get the title shot on this show, or was that Canadian Stampede the next month? (And then of course, he got hurt)

I forget if I mentioned this already in this thread, but the end of the Mind Games 96 tag title match is funny. It's Smoking Gunns vs. Bulldog and Owen. The end comes when Bulldog hits the running powerslam on Billy. Billy runs in to "break up the pin" and the spot is that Owen is supposed to hit a spinning heel kick on him to stop him. But goofy just kind of drunkenly staggers into it and it just looks hilarious. I hope somebody knows what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I noticed Snitsky's bacne too. Sonjay Dutt in TNA has a lot too.

I know the obvious, like big changes in physique, roid rage, and acne on the back, etc. Are their any other signs of steroid abuse? Do you guys think that 90-95% of wrestlers (WWE, TNA, major indy guys, foreign wrestlers) are on steroids, or not that much? Also I heard a Raven interview where he said if you're smart you can use steroids safely...is that true?

He also gave Bret vs. Austin at WM13 *****.

Actually that was a typo, he gave the first Joe/Punk match ****1/4.

Steroids are bad, kids. They'll fuck ya up.

I wonder what Dupree did that pissed Bob off. Probably not much. Christ, this guy is just ridiculous.

Why does Heyman hate Corino?