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They ate MILLIONS of dollars so Hogan could get a job back? What did Steiner do to Konnan?

I don't. You might try looking through DDT Digest. Do you know what time frame should I look? 1997, 1998... It was right before Fall Brawl 1997.

Nodq.com might have it somewhere...I think I found it on Kazaa, too. What was the deal with Warrior coming in? Was it just because Hogan never beat him? How did he leave so quickly? Was he working on a show to show basis?

With all the bad things we're talking about in this thread...what are everybody's favorite WCW moments? I think I read before that the decision to give DDP the title at Spring Stampede 99 was a last second decision, is that true? Looking back on all the title changes in 99, you really see how it was just last second stuff with no real planning involved... Why didn't the proposed "old vs. young" feud ever really go down in 99?

Don't you mean Fall Brawl? Because isn't that the card where Jericho brings out the Goldberg midget? Or were they going to continue the feud and blow it off at World War 3? Also, they were going to have Sting beat Goldberg for the title on NITRO??? And Sting was facing Hart at Halloween Havoc, so would they have then given the title to Hart? This seems really weird, but I guess it was WCW!

Okay, so the Hogan/Jarrett stuff at BATB was a work, but Russo's comments were more than he was supposed to say so Hogan left? I see, so that's why they had Russo take the belt back. Hogan would have claimed to still be the champ and have been the champ on Thunder? Sting got Luger and Steiner busted...wow. Was there any long term heat about that? Aren't Sting and Luger good friends still today? When was the Nash promo were he ripped on Hogan and what did he say? What PPVs was he kept off of? Why were people like Nash and others allowed to get away with refusing to do jobs? The "fingerpoke of doom"...honestly, what the fuck? If Nash was upset about not getting to be Hogan's equal storyline wise, why book this shit? He also put Hogan over at Road Wild 1999 and went into "retirement", too. What do you think WCW's long term angles would have been if Russo hadn't shown up? Or would they have just kept floundering from month to month with no real direction? (I suppose that's likely) I remember a Nitro in 1999 where the main event was something like Hogan/Goldberg vs. Sid and a mystery partner (Might not be that exactly, but I know Sid had a mystery partner.) Then for the match, Sid's partner was Rick Steiner. The announcers acted all surprised, even when Steiner had been with Sid in his promo earlier in the night. Had someone else originaly been booked for that slot? When Hall turned on Nash at Slamboree 98, why did they not face each other one on one until Halloween Havoc? Or did they on Nitro or something? Was the Jericho/Goldberg "feud" originally meant to happen and then Goldberg backed out? Why was Roddy Piper always in and out of WCW? (At least it seemed that way to me) And why the hell did he get to beat Bret for the US title in Feb. of 99? Were there any WWF or ECW stars who almost signed with WCW but for some reason it never quite worked out? I remember Sabu was announced as having signed with WCW in 99 or so, but then it never happened for some reason. How long were Neidhart and Bulldog with WCW and did they do anything significant when they were there? Sting vs. Goldberg given away on Nitro the night after Fall Brawl 98? Why?

Loss, I could literally ask you questions all night. I never really got into wrestling until March/April 1999, so I missed a lot of WCW during its "prime" and therefore don't know a lot of this stuff. Here are some more questions for you: 1) I believe Sting disappeared after his match with Bret at Havoc 98, right? He was hurt? How did he make his return prior to Stampede 99? 2) When did Sandman sign with WCW and how did he debut? Did they ever do anything interesting with him? How quickly did he leave WCW? 3) When did Bigelow debut and how many televised matches did he have with Goldberg? 4) Was Hogan/Russo at BATB 2000 a shoot? 5) Did Nash ever do the job to Giant that he skipped out on by faking the heart attack before Starrcade 97? 6) When/how did the Wolfpac first form? 7) What was the Boston Brawl? 8) I know most of the time there was a huge separation between the upper card and everybody else...but were there ever any big "upsets" match wise? I know Jericho pinned Scott Hall once. (With a fluke rollup, but still...) Oh, and keep bringing all the other info, this is great shit.

Damn, you simply know too much. Oh, okay, just off the top of my head here are a few random ones: Blitzkrieg Disco Inferno Wrath Chase Tatum Bam Bam Bigelow Oh, and Randy Savage...why did he TWICE job the title to Hogan the night after winning it? And why the hell did they give him the title at Spring Stampede 1998 when he was hurt?

I really think at this time it became apparent that Raw and Nitro had much different viewers, with WCW fans prefering a more athletic product and longer matches. There was really no way Nitro could have overtaken Raw in the ratings because they couldn't pull in that casual fan. Not until Vince Russo, baby!

Thanks Loss, that's really interesting stuff. I think I need to start a WCW thread! That stuff about Hogan is ridiculous...I remember Benoit saying in some interview that backstage if he said hi to Hogan, Hogan would just walk by him, not even acknowledging him...

Wow, I can't believe all those great matches that never happened. When did rumors of the proposed Bret/Benoit/Jericho stable surface? When did Jericho turn down an angle to go nWo? What did Hogan have against Raven?

I know they were involved in angles together and stuff, but I don't know if they ever had a one on one match.

I blame it more on Stephanie. The WWE was going along fine until she took over the book in October of 2000. Then there was a NOTICEABLE drop in the quality of the shows.

Obviously we've had a lot of threads on how bad the WWE writing is right now, but it really does truly boggle my mind. 1) Insulting the viewer's intelligence: We're supposed to boo Kurt Angle for shaving Big Show's head and forget the chokeslam onto the concrete? We're supposed to forget that Kane is an evil bastard who basically raped Lita and boo Gene Snitsky for sending him off on a stretcher? We're supposed to get behind wrestlers who we can tell the writers have no long term interest in? 2) Matches on TV that should be on pay per view: We get Angle/Eddie for free and pay for Eddie vs. Luther and Kurt vs. Big Show? Please. HHH vs. Benoit ironman match on RAW? And ending in Eugene interference? Come on now. 3) Focus on the wrong people: Benoit's non-HHH title defenses on PPV during his title reign (Kane and Orton) were both simply determined by a battle royal on RAW while the focus went to HHH and HBK the first time and HHH and Eugene the second time. Put the focus on your champions! That should be EVERYONE'S goal, not just the guy feuding with the champ. And don't have a world title match at a PPV decided with a battle royal because you couldn't think of anything else to do, that's just lazy booking! 4) Crappy entertainment: Lame John Cena jokes...crappy Diva Search and Tough Enough crap...Simon Dean...Jacqueline winning the cruiserweight title. The list could go on and on. 5) No long term planning: Putting the cruiserweight title on Jacqueline and then firing her shortly thereafter...no long term planning on RAW aside from a Randy Orton push...they're heading towards an Angle/Taker WM main even on Smackdown? Who cares? There's no elevation! Who are we supposed to get behind on Smackdown? 6) Wrestlers out of the loop: Why has Rob Van Dam not been in a feud since August of 2003? Why are so many wrestlers just "there"? Seriously, what has Chris Jericho done lately? What about Eddie Guerrero? There needs to be thought put into the booking of not just the top angle, but the guys below that too. Otherwise everyone just gets stale, and the audience gets third rate, "we'll throw this out here just so we have SOMETHING going on" booking. I think maybe the biggest problem is that the writers aren't really wrestling fans...Stephanie obviously sucks as head writer, and Vince has some stupid vision of the WWE being great "entertainment" that results in C-movie level crap being produced just so it's not "rasslin" but "entertainment."

I've been out of this for a bit, but I swear I'll be back soon!

I'm looking for RAW and Nitro episodes from 97-98 that I don't have. I'm also looking for Nitro episodes from 1999 and 2000 as well. And, I'm selling this stuff if you want it: ECW Heatwave 1999 1st Gen ($4) ECW Anarchy Rulz 1999 1st Gen ($4) Chikara 8/27/04 SMV MASTER ($6) IWA-MS DVD for the 3/19/04 show: (Great 20 minute Aries vs. Daniels match, a great Petey vs. Nigel match, and a really solid Sydal vs. Webb main event, $5) IWA-MS DVD for the 3/27/04 show: (Bloody brawl main event, Nigel vs. Petey in a 30 minute rematch, really solid Bradley vs. Aries match, $5) Shipping depends on where you live, but generally is $3. I'm willing to make a deal if you want to buy more than one thing. PM me or send me an email at [email protected] if you want anything or can hook me up with anything. Thanks!

Looking for Nitros and Thunder episodes from 97, 98, 99, and 2000 if you have any and want to get rid of them.

This is supposed to be the new section for polls, yet you can't start one. Just thought I'd point that out. (Unless I'm an idiot and I'm missing something, so if that's the case, sorry)

If Orton gets counted out or DQ-ed sometime during the match, then obviously the heels win. If not, then Orton gets the pin on HHH and is sole survivor. Those are the two ways I see it working out. The #1 goal here is to make Orton look good, keep that in mind.

I thought South Park was one of the weaker episodes of late. Didn't find it all that funny. Drawn Together I just watched. God getting a penis stuck in his face? Wow.

"SOMEBODY CALL NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE ONE ONNNNNNNNNNNNE!!!"

The people really popped for Tazz tonight.

Great review...I might need to check this match out for a third time. And BTW, my favorite match from night one is easily Punk vs. Aries. I loved Joe vs. Strong, but it wasn't as good as I thought it was upon second viewing.

This is like Clue. JESUS IN THE CLUB WITH THE KNIFE!

OMG CENA RETURNS FROM BEING STABBED IN THE KIDNEY~!~!~~!~!~! How can you NOT pay for Survivor Series now, huh?