Anya

For proof of WHAT? He's evil. He kills SITs. What more are you looking for here?

Owning a home version is different than playing a game at the arcade. Have you ever considered maybe, just maybe, some people actually liked the PS2 launch games? Just a wacky thought I had. I know personally I didn't "cave in" and Sony "earned" my money. I got PS2 the day it came out because TTT is really awesome.

They should have figured out a strategy, like what they usually do against tough foes that have previously beat Buffy.

No, she doesn't sound like a good leader. That's more of a problem with the show overall though, the "OMG ITS A WAR~!" and "General Buffy" stuff has always been very lame. I hate it when she shouts out random "war" comments like "HOLD THE LINE~!". Anyway... They acted on hunches countless times. They KNEW he was there. He had to be doing something! At the very least he was known to be killing SITs. What more do you need? They were nasty to her from the start. They don't even let her finish. It's just NO. TOO MUCH TO ASK. CHASING WINDMILLS. And god I hate Rona.

BUFFY Look, I know what you're thinking, but I had a visit at the school today from Caleb. DAWN Buffy, why didn't you— BUFFY I'm fine. I mean, it wasn't fun, but I'm fine. I'm better than fine. I—I figured something out. He kept making all this noise about the school. ROBIN WOOD Is it that seal again? WILLOW Do we need to try shutting it again? BUFFY No, that's just it. We've spent all this time worrying about the seal and the hellmouth. Why isn't Caleb guarding them? Why doesn't he have someone there protecting it? Why is he camped out at the vineyard? The bad guys always go where the power is. So if the seal was so important to Caleb and the First, they would be there right now. They're protecting the vineyard or something at the vineyard. I say it's their power, and I say it's time we go in and take it away from them. Xander shakes his head and looks down. Giles uncrosses his arms and sighs. FAITH (standing beside Robin Wood with her arms crossed) Or, in the alternative, how 'bout...we don't? I mean, it's a neat theory, B, but I'm not going back in that place, not without proof, and neither should you and neither should they. BUFFY I'm not saying it's gonna be easy. ROBIN WOOD I think Faith had the floor. FAITH Maybe it ends OK the way you wanna play it, but maybe it doesn't. And right now, I don't think I want you playin' the odds. BUFFY Did you come here to fight? FAITH Listen, we're fighters, all of us, but you gotta give me something to fight, something real, not— GILES (softly) Windmills. (looks at Buffy) BUFFY There is something there. GILES Maybe. But we can't be sure of that. This is a hell of a lot to ask. ROBIN WOOD Too much. BUFFY (grinning nervously, looks around) I—I don't understand this. For 7 years, I've kept us safe by doing this— exactly this, making the hard decisions. And now, what— suddenly you're all acting like you can't trust me? GILES Didn't you say to me today you can't trust us? Maybe there's something there that should be addressed. BUFFY Is that why you sent Spike away, to ambush me? GILES (rolls his eyes, sighs) Oh, come on. RONA You know what? I am sick of your deal with this Spike guy. This isn't about him. This is about you. You're being reckless. BUFFY (steps back) What? RONA You are! I don't even know you, and I can tell! You are so obsessed with beating Caleb, you are willing to jump into any plan without thinking. BUFFY (through gritted teeth) That's not what I'm doing. KENNEDY (stands, walks up to Buffy) Well, that's how it feels to us. People are dying. WILLOW (stands, walks up to Kennedy) Kennedy... KENNEDY (turns and snaps at Willow) Why are you always standing up for her? WILLOW (softly, sadly) I'm not. BUFFY What do you mean, you're not? WILLOW With everything that's happened, I— (shrugs) I'm worried about your judgment. BUFFY (looks around) Look, I wish this could be a democracy. I really do. Democracies don't win battles. (Xander looks away) It's a hard truth, but there has to be a single voice. You need someone to issue orders and be reckless sometimes and not take your feelings into account. You need someone to lead you. ANYA (calmly) And it's automatically you. (looks at Buffy) You really do think you're better than we are. BUFFY No, I— ANYA But we don't know. We don't know if you're actually better. I mean, you came into the world with certain advantages, sure. I mean, that's the legacy. BUFFY I— ANYA But you didn't earn it. You didn't work for it. You've never had anybody come up to you and say you deserve these things more than anyone else. They were just handed to you. So that doesn't make you better than us. It makes you luckier than us. BUFFY I've gotten us this far. XANDER But not without a price. BUFFY Xander— XANDER I'm trying to see your point here, Buff... but I guess it must be a little bit to my left... (shakes his head) 'cause I just don't. BUFFY Look, I'm willing to talk strategy, OK, I'll hear suggestions on how to break this down, but this is the plan. We have to be together on this or we will fail again. GILES We are clearly demonstrating that we are not together on this! BUFFY (commandingly) Which is why you have to fall in line! I'm still in charge here. RONA Why is that, exactly? BUFFY Because I'm the slayer. RONA And isn't Faith a slayer, too? FAITH (caught off guard) What? Whoa, whoa, whoa. So not what I meant. I'm not in charge chick. I think B here needs to just...chill out for a little bit, take a siesta or something. But I'm not the one you want. KENNEDY Maybe we need a vote... to see who wants Faith to have a turn in charge. BUFFY (sternly) No. KENNEDY No, what? BUFFY No. You don't get to vote until I've had my chance to pal around, you know, get everybody drunk. See, I didn't get this was a popularity contest. I should have equal time to bake them cookies, braid their hair— FAITH Learn their names? BUFFY (laughs) You're just lovin' this, aren't you? FAITH You have no idea what I'm feeling. BUFFY (low, mean) Come in here, take everything that I have... You did it before. Did you tell them that? Did you tell them how you used to kill people for fun? Hey, you guys think that's nifty? GILES Buffy, that's enough! FAITH I didn't come here to take anything away from you, but I'm not gonna be your little lapdog, either. I came here to beat the other guy, to do right, however it works. I don't know if I can lead. But the real question is...can you follow? ROBIN WOOD So we vote. BUFFY Wait. Guys— Buffy looks around—Anya's crossed her arms and stares back with pursed lips; Willow looks away—Buffy searches their faces. BUFFY I can't watch you just throw away everything that— (looks at Xander and at Dawn, who's not meeting her glance; Buffy holds her head up high) I know I'm right about this. I just need a little— I can't stay here and watch her lead you into some disaster. DAWN (stands, walks up to Buffy, softly) Then you can't stay here. Buffy, I love you, but you were right. We have to be together on this. You can't be a part of it. (Buffy blinks her eyes in disbelief) So I need you to leave. I'm sorry, but this is my house, too. Buffy looks around then walks out the front door. RONA Ding dong, the witch is dead. DAWN (low, angrily) Shut your mouth. Cut to: 35 EXT. FRONT PORCH AT BUFFY'S HOUSE - NIGHT Faith follows Buffy outside. FAITH (concerned) Hey. Look, I swear I didn't want it to go this way— BUFFY (sternly) Don't. FAITH I mean it, I— BUFFY Don't...be afraid to lead them. (Buffy's face is wet with tears) Whether you wanted it or not, their lives are yours. It's only gonna get harder. Protect them, (looks at Faith) but lead them. Buffy's right. Her "theory" about why Caleb was at the Vineyard was more "proof" than she usually has in regards to attacking evil lairs. they were just out to get her. They are all confrontational no matter what she says.

No, I'm just hating on sesaon 7 in a different way. She was right, but the story sucks because the scoobies should never turn on Buffy. It's depressing. I hate how towards the end Giles and Buffy's relationship is so cold.

She never said they had to rush in and take him head on. They could have come up with some kind of strategy. All she said was that they had to go back to the vineyard...which is true. Dangerous? Yeah, but sometimes there's no way to avoid going into a dangerous mission...

He's bad and killing SITs. Since when is that not reason enough?

One of the best fighting games ever made came out at PS2 launch.

Yeah, waiting for Andrew and Spike to get back is the one thing that is dumb. With their help there would be one more champion in the fight, plus Spike could be of some help. Caleb was obviously using the vineyard as a lair. What more proof do you need that it's worth attacking?

So what else could they do? Sit around and wait for the ubies? Hope an evil law firm sends them a magic necklace?

Her plan wasn't stupid. She didn't even get that far to come up with a plan. She was just saying they have to go after him. She was open to suggestions on how to go about that but they wouldn't listen. She was right. The power was there and they had to confront him. They cant just sit around waiting. The others didn't even have a plan of their own. They just didn't want to go back. It was ridiculous how they were wanting "proof". When was that ever the case? Why didn't they sit around coming up with proof that Adam chilling out in his cave was a threat. What more proof could Buffy have got? Did Buffy need to give weapon inspectors more time at the Vineyard to come up with some WMD? Sure, going back there was a dangerous idea but there was no other alternative. Sometmes you just have to do what is dangerous.

She was right....

I am still angry at Anya for that. I hate how she suggests Buffy is just lucky and all that. It's horrible. I hate how Xander and Willow turn on her too. Even though I love her and Xander I still get mad at them sometimes. Like I hate how he lies to Buffy in Becoming part 2.

That's funny. I didn't start to like the new stuff more than the old until they came out on DVD. I am watching season 2 on dvd now, I bet my mind will change about Angelus again when I see it again soon.

"Maybe the last 4 eps will be amazing and save the season."

Xander_The_Pirate?

They didn't start up till season 4 and then they did bump into each other really early on(Fear, Itself). She is not dumb! Sadly, not around. What a shame, eh? Just imagine it. I could have got excited about the engagment in the Gift and ranted about Hells Bells for months.

It's true about the caves and college just appearing out of no where, but the Intiative could have been built during the summer. Why would Buffy have noticed it? She hadn't yet moved in to the dorm. Riley is really cool, but yeah Adam isn't in it enough. Plus when he does appear it's usually just him chilling out in his lair. You're right about Anya. That is something I've always thought was funny and weird. The reason is because they never intended for her to be a regular. In The Wish Emma played her as just a straight up evil monster of the week. It's funny seeing her shove Giles against the wall and yell at him in this creepy monsterous voice. It's also amusing how she could act her way into Cordy's circle of friends and pass as a high school girl just fine yet years later is so anti-social she can't even be trusted to talk to the health inspectors at the Magic Box. She is kind of like her normal self in Dopplegang land though, with the "idiot child!" comment to Willow and the whole "I.D..." joke at the Bronze. She really becomes herself in The Prom. Another plot hole is her amulet thing. Giles smashes it in The Wish and she tries to bring it back in Dopplegang land but after that it's just dropped. When she becomes a demon again she doesn't have it. Anya isn't dumb! I take offense to that. There's a difference between not understanding how the world works, having poor social skills and being stupid. We've seen that with a subject she knows about, like magic, demonolgy, or investing on the internet, she can be very intelligent and knowledgable. That said the entire mythos of her character is silly and always has been. The idea that she doesn't understand mortality or social skills is ridiculous. How did she pass as a human to trick people? How can she spend so much time with people and never pick up on anything? Even Halfrek and D'Hoffryn speak fine. And she USED to be a human! She spends years with Xander and the others and still has bad social skills. I like how Willow calls her out on that in Triangle.

You can't bother me with that, I'm too busy thinking about the good times in season 4. "It'll make you blind and insane, but it won't kill you. The smallpox will."

But....syphilis!

Well yeah.... Willow and Xander together is weird. It's like a brother and a sister getting together. Scoobies in misery is good tv. Unless it's Xanya, they need to be happy while the others are in pain. Season 4 under season 7 is a tragedy. The Xanya goodness alone makes it better. Plus you've got a coherent theme and arc, a competent big bad, more sets than just Buffy's house, no Rona, and how about that Xanya? The origin of break up sex, the hand signal in Hush, "orgasm friend", Xander living in a basement, romantic syphilis, bunny suit, stand up about ducks and more! Season 7 just has bitterness, eye injuries, a little break up sex and death. You can't compare them. Did I mention Rona isn't in season 4?

You forgot the other big thing, the most important thing, to come from The Prom..... Xander: Well, hey, it's demon Anya, punisher of evil males. Still haven't got your powers back? You haven't right? Anya: No. I will, though. It's just a matter of time. Xander: So now, how did that work? Women would wish horrible things upon their ex-boyfriends. You'd show up and make it happen. Anya: That's right. The power of the Wish made me a righteous sword to smite the unfaithful. Xander: Well, hey! Good luck with that. Hope it works out for you. Anya: You know, you can laugh, but I have witnessed a millenium of treachery and oppression from the males of the species and I have nothing but contempt for the whole libidinous lot of them. Xander: Then why you talking to me? Anya: I don't have a date for the prom.... Xander: Well gosh. I wonder why not. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with your sales pitch? Anya: Men are evil. Will you go with me? History was made in that ep! Destiny!!!!!!!! I like Faith and the Mayor, but the later years are just so much better.

Angelus is really good, but it's like 9 eps out of 3 seasons. Passion and Becoming 2 are two of the best moments in Buffy though. Still, for every one of those there's like 3 Inca Mummy Girls. The best thing about season 3 is Wish, Dopplegang Land, Prom and Grad Day.

Right... I just watched Fool for Love with the commentary. OMG what a great ep. I love the "beneath you" thing. Not enough other scoobies though. It has to be one of the best non-Xanya centric eps. God the later years are so much better than the highschool years. The Cordy/Xander ship is like the worst ever. Of course Xander cheating on her lead to the best thing to happen to Sunnydale EVER, but that's like it. Oz is the saving grace of the high school years now.