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It tried to kill the SITs, but that doesn't change the fact that at the end FE claimed the ubies were to make it corporeal. That's what it says. In it's own words. The first was messing with Spike to drive a wedge between the slayer and the scoobies. Other things support "the first wants to break up the scoobies", like telling Dawn that Buffy won't choose her, and -of course- the slayer breaking up with the scoobies. That's lame though! All that hype about controlling Spike, the trigger, "it's not time", ect. and all it amounts to is "...well it wanted to distract Buffy". That is so anti-climatic! Andrew was easily manipulated, which is why the first used him. Plus, he's so likable that the scoobies wouldn't kill him/kick him out. Pretty simple. Oh come on. FE brought him back all the way from Mexico because he was "easily manipulated"? Why Andrew? Why not a random Bringer? Why not just have Caleb cut his hand? That's what Buffy did in Chosen. It didn't even plan for him to be caught, so saying that he has ties to the scoobies is nonsense. FE brought him back to open the seal, not to mess with the scoobies. The scoobies never would have known it was him had Willow not caught him. The whole thing with. the seal is just horrible writing. FE first got Andrew to kill Jonathan but that didn't work because there "wasn't enough blood". Then it gets him to try with a pig. WTF? A pig has more blood than Jonathan now? Then Andrew gets caught so a Bringer cuts up Spike to open it, and later that chick cuts open Xander. Huh? If that works why not do that all along? What was the point of Andrew and the sacrifice!? Finally Buffy and the SITs cutting their hands works. So it is just any blood now? And who opened it to unleash those ubies in End of Days anyway? It's so inconsistent BTW, season 7 starts up again on FX tomorrow. I'm gonna watch it. Sadly, I'm kind of hyped.

FE says the ubies were so it could become corporeal, not to kill SITs. The last few times it talks to Caleb and then Buffy about it's plans it talks entirely about ubies taking over the world and it becoming corporeal and says nothing at all about the SITs. In it's last promos there is nothing to suggest the SITs had anything to do with it's goal or plan. It clearly says it's goal is to become corporeal by having ubies outnumber humans. What do the SITs have to do with that? Besides a weaksauce damage control explination like "well...with the SITs out of the way it'd be easier". How would FE had known Spike was the key to closing the hellmouth? The Amulet wasn't even brought to SD until Chosen and there was no hints or build that Spike would be key. The only explination is that FE has knowledge of the future and you REALLY don't want to go that direction when defending it because that would just make FE look even more stupid than it already does.

Yeah, but that's so anti-climatic.

I got my W&H shirt in today. It's awesome. If Spike's role was just to kill Buffy that's pretty weak after all the build. Same with the SIT thing. After all that hype, with the Eye talking about the disturbance and all the lectures it all comes down to FE just not wanting them to get in the way? The SIT plan was the focus of the show for like months and it ended up just being that it didn't want SITs around for it's ubie army. That's so lame. I wonder what it would have looked like corporeal? A big hoss demon or just it's regular shapeshifting form?

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Spike ended up having nothing to do with it though, it was all about the ubies. It didn't need Spike any more than it would need Xander. Andrew wasn't even a scooby when it brought him to SD. Why bring in two nerds from Mexico? It went through so much trouble when it could have just had Bringers do it. It makes no sense. I'm really glad Andrew was brought back, but they did a terrible job explaining why.

That is nonsense. Distract her from what? The ubies? Killing the SITs? Caleb? It wasn't hiding any of that. It often took the fight directly to her. In fact it was so open it actually told her it's evil scheme face to face! Also, if it was just distraction why did it keep mentioning that it wasn't time yet? Time for what? Time to...distract~! Come on...it's totally obvious there was something big with Spike that they decided against about halfway through.

FE was pretty stupid. You'd think something that had been around as long as it wouldn't be so retarded, but apparently not. It's funny how it messed around with bringing Andrew and Jonathan back to SD and all that nonsense with the seal when it turned out just any blood would open it. I still want to know why it needed Andrew and Spike......

Again, the Slayer line thing was dropped. FE itself said it's goal was to become corporeal, which would happen when ubies out number humans. The slayer line has nothing to do with it's plan in the end.

Uh, yeah, but not if the show isn't about the scoobies. They did just fine with minimal references to them leading up to that, and they would have done just after the fact. I never said they had to be a focus, I just wondered what they would do about them. Do you actually have a point or do you just feel like getting on my case? FE dropped the slayer line plan a while before Caleb arrived. It's plan at the end was to overrun the Earth with ubies, which would either make it corporeal or allow it to merge with everyone.

Yeah, but he'd probably move on to other towns. The definition of apocolypse just isn't clear enough. Everyone refers to FE's ubies as one, but it wasn't much more of one than Adam's evil scheme.

Yes what about the scoobies? This is Angel season 6 we're talking about, not Buffy "season 8." Frankly, the less Andrew on my tv, the better. Uh, yeah, but even if they don't appear on TV they have to do something about the scoobies. You can't just pretend they don't exist. Even though I don't see it as one, the characters always refered to the mayor's ascension as an apocolypse.

I wish there was an extended edition showing all the missions. We don't see enough! What we do see looks really cool. Angel's final battle was sooo much better than Buffy's.

Eh, I didn't really get a watcher vibe. He wasn't teaching her how to fight or in a fatherly figure role like Giles. That sounds like making something of nothing, just to make a story deep. A Spike/Illyria spin off would be ok. Better than Connor, Dawn, Faith or any other idea that's been tossed around(besides Xander and Andrew!). Illyria's speeches and long rants about being a god were extremely boring but she was decent as an Anya clone. Spike is always cool.

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Yeah, I like that. Joss confirmed that Hamilton was supposed to represent the network suits. Dumb. An audience member brought up that Wesley’s role as a watcher came full circle with Illyria at the end How?

Yeah, but no one here puts much stock in your opinions Your loss. PS2 launched with TTT, which is one of the best fighting games ever made. So it wasn't too bad. But PS2 originally sold because of what would come out eventually, like MGS or FF X. "souped-up rehashes of all your PlayStation favorites" is indeed a good reason to be excited about PS2.

Well that's you. There's none I'd put ahead of FF VIII.

FF VIII is better than the Dreamcast.

The concept behind season 6 sounds really weird. Post-apocalyptic LA? How would that work? What about the scoobies?

Supposedly their symbol is on the robots in Lineage, Illyria's coffin, and a few other things throughout the season. ....If they had it planned, why did they wait so long to reveal it?

I just watched Not Fade Away again. I like it more and more each time I watch it. I've pretty much gotten used to and accepted the ending. I still think the Black Thorne was weaksauce, but they did the best job with it they could have done with such little time. Wesley dying still doesn't bother me. I think because they mourn. I really like their reactions when Illyria tells them. It's not long and they don't say much, but it's still nice. Why wouldn't Anya and Spike have got that in Chosen? Oh yeah, gotta joke about the mall. My bad.

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It's not different. It's not like I obsess over it either, I brought it up once. I do like the story behind broody Wes. The end of season 3 is cool.

They could have given Gunn guns if they wanted someone with guns. Why make Wes into a badass? I still haven't really taken in the fact that Wes died in the finale. It just hasn't sunk in, I never think about it. It's going to suck when it finally hits me. Joss killed my favorites from each show in the finales. Why does he hate me?