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I doubt that Hogan/Hennig was going to headline WM 6. They did the Hgoan/Warrior tag against Hennig and Poffo at a SNME where Hogan and Warrior teased problems. From Cawthon's site:
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The heart punch is an accurate namr for a terrible finisher. Goldust's Shattered Dreams was a good name for his kick to the nuts. They renamed it "The Golden Globes" in 2002 and that was lame.
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There is no way Rock would go to TNA unless he's really pissed at Vince and just wants a WWE contract. If he went in an put Jarrett over it would just piss Vince off and not acomplish anything. If Rock really wants to wrestle he could call Vince and work out a deal of some sort where he'll agree to work at least 3 months straight of TVs and PPVs. If he doesn't do that he's pretty much useless to the promotion.
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Worst wrestling related conversationd you've heard
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Huh? That might be the strangest thing I've ever heard in regards to blood in wrestling. Why wouldn't we notice this attached goose skin? How is said goose skin attached? Super glue? -
I liked "Tazplex" and thought WWF should have run with it. It put Taz's suplexes above the rest. ALthough I suppose his nickname should have been "Human Tazplex Machine" rather than "suplex" but that would have sounded wierd, especially how they introduced him in ECW: "Ladies and Gentlemen, hailing from the Red Hook section of Brooklyn, NY, weighing 248 lbs, the Human Tazplex Machine. This is Taz!" "Taz(z)mission" was kind of lame but what way better than "Katjihajime'" or how ever it's spelled. Sasuke's move is the "Space Flying Tiger Drop"
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I'll second Rick Rude. Watch Superbrawl 2, that was incredible heel heat. He had that arrogance that wasn't even cool to cheer for, you just wanted to smack that smug look of his face, but knew he'd kill you if you tried.
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Worst wrestling related conversationd you've heard
Some Guy replied to Epic Reine's topic in General Wrestling
I've been in several with one of my more drunken, beligerent, and ignorant (about wrestling) friends. One such gem consisted of him insisting that Bret Hart used the same music in WCWthat he did in WWF. I tried several times to explain that he used similar music but WWF owned the original and as such WCW could not use it. He got pissed after a while, when he realized I was right. He was also conviced that Warrior died and they replaced him. No amount of explanation about hair dye, aging, and changes in face paint would convince him he was full of shit. I think Taker dies according to him as well. he once tried to convince me that Warrior was Kery Von Erich and I just said, "Whatever you say dude." -
How about "leg drop"? I think the whole "Atomic/of doom" thign was Hogan copyrighting it. I don't ever rememebr it being called anything but a leg drop or "dropping the big leg" on TV.
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I think the name is fine. It makes sense since he kicks the guy in the chin and he does the "tuning up the band" deal. Superkick is pretty hokey, though.
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Austin: 2002. Had shitty matches and poor booking, walked out on the company twice and got arrested for beating his wife. Goldberg: 99. Injury and bad booking killed his drawing power combined with the job at Starcade 98 and he ended Bret Hart's career.
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Thank you. The name "Ghettoblaster" was cool for Bad News Brown in the late 80s but it was pretty lame for Booker in 2001 WCW. West Coast Pop is a really queer name as well.
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FU was a throw away line in a promo Cena cut on Brock in April 2003. "Your finish is the F-5, mine's the FU!" I think the Olympics asked WWF to stop using the name, so they changed it to "Angle Slam". These are all dumb names for finishers: Bookend The Stroke Steiner Recliner Legdrop of Doom~! What did "F-5" mean? I never got it. Maybe I'm retarded.
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MJ looked really good. I'm suprised they gave him that much offense and I'm thinking he might get some type of deal because of it. The announcers were really putting him over and I doubt they'd bother if there were no plans. I hope he gets a contract and at least gets to be a JTTS on SD! or Raw. He proved on SD! that he can get the fans behind him and still move pretty well. He sold the ankle lock better than anyone I've seen in a long time.
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They teamed with Taz (who was still recovering from his broken neck) against The Eliminaters and Jason sometime in 95.
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Huh? They had one match that Austin won and then Ausitn refused to drop the IC strap to him the next night on Raw. Rock got himself over, Foley put him over in early 99 by letting Rock beat the shit out of him. True. Foley had ME'd the two prior PPVs so he was sort of already "made" but he cemented his legend as teh most insane bumper in wretling history with this match. Taker had nothing to do with it besides being there. Rock out him over clean and made him. The Ladder Match with E&C at No Mercy 99 made both teams. Angle was already a former WWF, IC, and Euro champ befoer he ever got in the ring with Benoit. Rock made him when he dropped the title to him in late 2000. True. If anything it was the other way around. Savage was headling house shows against Hogan in 86, he was already a huge star. I the sentence ended "look like a fool." then it would be acurate. Goldust got the shit kicked out of him by a 45 year old with two fake hips, I don't think that did anything positive for Dustin's career. Goldust never really had a defining feud or huge clean win that I can think of (his IC title win over Hall at RR 96 wasn't anythign special and Hall only lost because Waltman hit him with a spin kick of the top. He was a star because he was so fucking wierd. Hall did make Waltman, though.
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That attitude (it's okay to use them every so often) was okay when they were just a weekly PPV company, but they're (at least attempting) to be a national wrestling organization, connecting with new fans whenever possible. You can't have unreliable workers, no matter how good they are. Diehard TNA fans, especially since they're not in Nashville, have dwindled. There's those on the Internet, but we'll watch regardless if D-Lo or Low Ki was present. TNA does TV tapings every 2 weeks and has 1 PPV a month. They could easily have both guys on just about every week regardless of them working in Japan. Just make sure they're in the states for the PPV and the TV afterwards. Have them both wrestle twice on the taping, air one match the next week and skip a week and then air the second one. Have them cut promos to be put int he shows that they aren't working and it would be fine. It's not like they run house shows or anything. Granted it would be a bit of a headache for the editor of the show but Low Ki and D'Lo are pretty damn good and are more than capable of getting over.
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Yeah, it does! "For the benifit of those with flash photography" and the subsequent 5 second pose always cracked me up. 2000 was such an awesome year for WWF. Business was huge, they had great matches, and tons of comedy that was actually funny. Foley/Angle/Christian/Edge (in that order) were hilarious in their skits together.
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That sounds about right. What happened to D'Lo? I'm really curious, I always liked the guy.
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I read some where that TNA kept him of their last PPV because they thought he was acting a little strangely (drunk or drugged). I feel a bad for the guy, he's in his late 40s (47 I think) and still can't beat this shit. EDIT: Since we're asking where people are. What happened to D'Lo? I remember him getting a big push after WWF fired him.
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Uh, Abyss > Kane, and Brown >>>>>> Goldberg. Brown has tons more charisma than Goldberg. Only similarities is that Brown pummels opponents in quick fashion, something than many big men did en route to making them seem indestructible. Hate to disagree with you Zack but no way is Monty Brown more charismatic than Goldberg. Goldberg's charisma was such that he drew people to pay money to see him and sold a ton of shirts and such. Monty Brown has done none of the above. If Monty was on a show that more than 200,000 people watched and had more exposure he possibly could be the next Goldberg. Abyss is pretty much a ripoff of Leatherface (at least in his look) as near as I can tell.
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I don't know that they'd look like a moron for joining. They would like kind of smart to me. The last two guys to be elevated to ME level have been in Evolution, it sort of makes sense that if one were to join he would have a better shot at the ME then someone who doesn't. It makes sense from a storyline standpoint and a political standpoint as everything has to revolve around HHH.
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I think the way they booked it made sense from a business point of view. If Rock went over HHH clean in the middle they would have been able to get one more ME out of it. By booking it so that HHH was capable of winning it kept the feud going and with Austin and Foley out they needed that feud to last until someone else came along (Angle). All of their PPV MEs did well and they wouldn't have if Rock beat him 2 straight. I agree that the "McMahon in every corner" and Vince turning heel things were bad but other than that, with hindsight I can't say that the WM 2000 ME was booked incorrectly. They really had no other choice. I was pissed at the time, though.
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Brock was only around for a couple years and if you recall 2003 wasn't WWF's best year. Plus Brock was generally the B-Main event underneath HHH on the big shows. Brock was not a huge draw at all adn he was booked to be "The Next Big Thing" if your recall. He failed as a draw, considering the booking and the wins they gave him (he went over Rock, Hogan, Taker, Angle, Show, Flair, RVD, etc... and went over clean). That's kind of why I didn't understand everybody being upset that he left. I can unerstand why people wouldn't like teh reason and that it left a main event void on SD!, but if the prior guy isn't drawing much then who cares if he leaves? I await the people who claimed that HBK never drew explaining his placement at 12 on the list. Being that high on the list despite only 5 years combined on top, both times with business down prior to his runs and he still finished ahead of Kurt Angle who also has five years on top and started MEing in 2000 when business was still great. HBK drew a bad house in MSG and a bad rating on Raw (during the height of the nWo angle and with no one else on the show worth a shit at the time, 96 was truely a one man show while Bret was gone) and based pretty much soley on that people have decided that he couldn't draw. BTW, from Cawthon's site: WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - March 17, 1996 (17,000; sell out; 14,824 paid) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - May 19, 1996 (18,800; sell out; 16,564 paid) Survivor Series 96 - New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - November 17, 1996 (18,647; 16,266 paid) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 25, 1997 (matinee) (16,634; 13,480 paid) I'd say Shawn drew some decent houses at MSG. He had 1 so so one and 1 really bad one: WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - August 9, 1996 (11,314) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - September 29, 1996 (matinee) (6,747; 3,917 paid) Here's a sample of Bret on top: WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - November 25, 1995 (7,400) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - January 26, 1996 (15,000; 12,800 paid) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - October 6, 1995 (9,000; 7,900 paid) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - August 25, 1994 (4,300) WWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - May 20, 1994 (11,000) I never hear that he couldn't draw though. I'm a fan of both guys but it seems to me that most people don't like HBK as a person and pick and choose their arguements to say that he couldn't draw and since Bret is well like by the IWC his failures are ignored.
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HHH went fourth from the top at 19 because he was a heel and went over. Brock got the face title win to send the fans home happy. But neither were the true main event. That was Hogan/McMahon, they got the poster, they were the main event. Hogan/Rock at 18 was the main event, Jericho/HHH was just the title match that went on last. If they had ended that show with Hogan/Rock and skipped the women's match and the title match, I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the Skydome wouldn't have realized that they didn't get 2 advertised matches. To me the Main event is not necesarily the title match, it is what they promote to be the biggest match on the show, hence Hogan vs. Rock/McMahon. WM 8 had 2 equally promoted matches and as such had an abtly titled "double main event". And Hogan did main event WM 4, he and Andre were the match that sold the show. Savage got the strap and the last match and got the "honor" of celebrating with Hogan.
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He tried ot wrestler but take downs are hard to do with boxing gloves on especially against a guy like Bart Gunn who is like 260 lbs or so and he tore his hamstring in the match. Blackman ran right through Marc Mero by taking him down, but Blackman was a martial artist and Mero a boxer. Boxers don't win a whole lot of shoot fights. Brawl for All was a really bad idea. Vega and Doc got hurt, Hawk and Droz looked like pussies who couldn't fight and Mero, who was playing a semi-tough guy boxer who beat his wife at the time got his ass kicked. Plus they put a bunch of guys out there, most of whom had no shoot training or hadn't done any for years, plus a fair amount of them weren't really in very good wrestling shape (Hawk and Vega). Training for worked pro wrestling matches is mostly cardio and beutification exercises, training for shoot fighting is way different, watch Ultimate Fighter and see what they go through. This is why Angle was made to look foolish by Puder. Angle was so far removed from real wrestling training that he had trouble keeping up with the more recently shoot trained, much younger, and far less injured Puder. You'd think that Brawl for All would have taught them that lessen. Shoot fights with pro wrestlers suck and people get hurt or embarrassed or both. Dan Severn and Shamrock refused to enter if memory serves me. Severn did so on TV, I think Shamrock did it privately. He would have most likely killed whoever he faced if he had a few weeks to train.