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He debuted after WM 14 so he was brought in in the Attitude era. He was JR's body guard after he returned from the torn hamstring in the Brawl For All match with Bart Gunn, when JR was doing his heeling on Micheal Cole gimmick and had his own announcer's table in front of Cole and the King. I don't know why they signed him other than him being JR's boy. He never woud have gotten over in WWF, especially during that time frame.

In an interview I heard with Marty Jannetty he tells a story about he, the Iron Shiek, and a rat that Marty was fucking at the time. Here it goes: WWF comes to town and Marty meets up with his local rat, but since he's already fucked her a bunch of times he asks Shiek to watch her so he could go off and scout new talent. Marty finds a new girl and takes her back to his hotel room. Then the cops start banging on the door an ask him where Khosrow (whatever SHiek's real last name is) is, Marty says he doesn't know. He looks out the window only to see his rat on a stretcher getting put in a an abulance and a bunch of police cars. So Marty runs down to Shiek's room and asks what happened. Shiek says that girl was tired so he gave her coke, then the girl said she was thristy so he gave her booze, and so on. The girl then starts to ask where Marty is and Shiek flips out saying "fuck Marty Jannetty!" "Did Marty give you coke?" Did Marty give you (whatever?" Marty says, "OK, Shiek but why is she in an abulance?" Shiek says that he gave her a short clothesline." Marty says, "What?" "Mahhty, SHiek give her a short clothesline but she moved." Marty, "she moved?" "Yes, Mahhty she moved, she doesn't know how to work." Here's the link, I really can't do the story any justice. http://www.wrestlingepicenter.com/shows/MartyJannetty/ He also tells some funny stories about Shawn being a bitch about dropping the IC belt to him and getting him fired from the WWF. The interview is definately worth listening to. If you decide to listen to the first part fast forward about an hour. Believe me you do not want to listen the two schmucks who host the show talk about WM 20 for an hour.

It was really bad. I think the JBL/Cena one was the best followed closely by Benoit, Jericho, Christian, and Stacy's. Kane could spoof a Jason movie. Hassaan as Rocky from Rocky 4 with the American flag shorts would be funny. JBL should have done the Harvey Kietel scene from True Romance where he says that Scilillians are spawned from black people it would have fit his gimmick. Nunzio could do the Pesci "do I amuse you?" scene from Goodfellas with Spike playing Liotta. Big Show and Mysterio could do a scene from Twins.

Duggan got busted for weed, Shiek for coke and weed. At least that's what Hacksaw says.

I think Superstars changed it's logo when it went from syndication to USA network, which I think was sometime in 96. Wrestling Challenge was long gone by then, I think. You've got me rememeringthe good old days of watching the Superstars, Challenge, and American Gladiators/Grudge Match (a stupid show hosted by Jesse Ventura that replaced Gladiators) block on Saturday afternoon on Fox.

Hell, I'm a huge HBK mark and not Jericho's biggest fan in the world, but I think that Jericho should have won that match. Shawn already proved he wasn't a shell of his former self by winning the World Title at Survivor Series. Jericho's character may be bullet proof but his drawing power isn't. He's lost virtually every big match he's been in whether it be to HHH, HBK, whoever. He got a win over Rock for the WCW title that nobody remembers, and he beat Rock and Austin in the same night for the undisputed title. With in a month it was made perfectly clear to anyone watching that he was just holding HHH's belts. They've had so many chances to salvage his drawing power and I think they've finally blown it. He's been in the company for over 5 1/2 years now and is pretty much in the same spot in which he started. I think that can safely be attributed to losing in matches where he should have won, such as the WM against Shawn.

Was it 6 years? I thought it was like 2 or 3. Anyways you talked about how Shawn and Bret acted like adults, ummm at the moment I wouldn't compare bret/shawn thing to Edge/Matt. Since Matt is acting like he's in high school, posting not only his/Lita's/ and Edge private life to the public, espically talking with the backstabbling crap. If your gonna handle this like an adult, you don't post something like that on your website/journal for ANYONE to read. Now I understand why he would be depressed/angry but seriously posting that shit for all his fans/groupies to read, to me, is bullshit. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Hardy might be in trouble for posting other people's private lives for the public to read. I do think its wrong for what Edge and Lita did but I mean seriously, if I was in Matt's shoes, I'd keep the reasoning/details private until someone leaked it and then give as little info as possible. From the thing posted by Matt's friend. Matt and Amy had a six year relationship together, she talks of Matt in her book. You could see in Matt's eyes he loves her. Matt has been hurt and betrayed by who he thought was his soulmate and one of his best friends. And, again, I said that Shawn and Bret did not act like adults. Did oyu read my post or just quote the part in which I correctly said that there relationship was 6 years to try to prove me wrong?

..and they never resolved it. Exactly. Neither were mature enough to settle there differences which basically started with Bret not wanting to job to HBK at WM, and then escalated with name calling. Bret called Shawn a homo, Shawn said Bret fucked Sunny, etc... ..and Shawn accused Bret of cheating on his wife. It's not the same situation, but it involves the same type of resolution, which you admitted that Bret and Shawn never came to. No, it's a pretty disimilar situation. In the Bret/Shawn deal both guys were fanning the flames to a certain degree. I know a bunch of HBK-haters like to pile the whole thing on Shawn but he wasn't the only one and in at least storyline terms Bret started the whole thing with mocking him for his stripper dance, basically calling him queer, saying that Shawn's wrestling style "is enough to make you sick". And it was the on air shit that kept the real life tension going. If I were Shawn, I'd probably be pissed if I'm supposed to be the new top babyface who the girls love and the champion is calling me a faggot and shitting on my wrestling style. In the case of Edge, Matt, and Lita, if this is all true then you have a girlfriend and a male friend screwing over another guy, who at least up to this point has done nothing but be a loyal boyfriend and friend. Matt has every right to feel betrayed and every right to be angry and every right to tell the world about it if he so chooses. I think he'll regret it in the long run, but he does have the right to do it. I have a feeling that a lot of the people who are saying that Matt is a bitch or that he should have seenit coming or that he should just get over it have never been ina situation where someone who you truely love betrays you. Until you feel that pain, I think comenting on Matt's psyche is probably out of line. You remember an altercation with Bret and Shawn, don't you? Yes, I do, hence the comments about maturity or lack there of. Bret Hart was like 38 years old and Shawn 32 when they got into there cat fight backstage at Raw in June 97. Jesus Christ, I'm 23 and out grew fist fights like 5 years ago.

I read somewhere that Edge wanted to do a follow up angle when he returned but Vince decided not to for whatever reason. I supose maybe he though Edge would actually get over if they did or something.

Duggan would also tell refs to "get of my ass" fairly often in the late 80s/early 90s.

Uhmmm..... Because Jake's eyes were most susecptible to blinding because he wasn't a jobber, maybe? But I'd bet he'll never get glaucoma.

Shawn and Bret didn't like one another. Bret fucked Candido's wife, not Shawn's. It's a little different. Bret and Shawn had petty beefs with one another that neither were mature enough to address like adults. Edge fucked his friend's girlfriend of 6 years. If I were Vince I don't think I'd want Matt and Edge on the same show because I doubt he likes fist fights in his locker room. Maybe if they let things cool down a little bit then they could do business together but as of now, I don't see it.

That was my understanding of it. I used "Sexy Boy" for my time here and the aWo PORNO MUSIC~ EDIT: BTW, why do you want to know this stuff?

SJK, I checked your profile and you were 4 when it happened (12 days from turning 5). To you kind of had to be there (by "there" I mean be a young mark at the time) to truly enjoy it. You had to have had the debates with your friends over who would win and who was better complete with mocking them if they thought the other guy should win. You had to have the WWF Magazine with the orange double cover (Hogan on the front and Warrior on the fold out). You had to be there to realize how huge this thing was at the time. This was bigger than Austin/Rock or anything in terms of anticipation that the WWF has thrown out since to me because I was a dumb kid. That being said, the match quality really doesn't hold up well considering what has been down since, Austin/Rock blows it out of the water. It's 5 stars for the sheer mark out value and maybe 3 stars for the content, much like Hogan/Rock at WM 18.

It's not exactly overt. He wears a shirt, what an asshole! I don't think anyone has said they hate him for finding God. They just dislike the fact that it plays a part of his on-screen persona, which it does, whether you like it or not. It sure seems like it. The vitriol and mocking I've read here are way over-the-top for how minor a role the religion plays into the character, besides the lack of cursing. I would say that many of the people either blindly hate the guy or dislike Christianity being promoted in even the slightest way. No, but he's making it part of his gimmick and persona, which people, rightly or wrongly, can take it to mean he's pushing his beliefs. That would be wrongly. And the accusation wasn't that he was pushing his religion, it was that he was shoving it into people's faces. I've never once seen HBK on TV and thought that he was really pushing his religion, much less shoving it into people's faces. I'm not a big fan of the character because I find it boring and he was so much better as an asshole heel, the religion has nothing to do with it really, although I suspect it effects his decision making process and has kept him from turning heel.

HHH/Rock was a bull rope match. Which was built up as a big advantage for Rock, despite never having been in such a match and his only connection to bulls were his tatoo and the nickname.

Shane McMahon has crossed himself during matches. Does he have a religious gimmick? My previous post was no sold, but ask yourself if you did not know that he was a born again Christian from being on the net, would you realize that he is one by watching him on Raw? I'd probably look at it as a guy who had a serious back injury praying that he stays healthy, which is prbably what he's doing. Hell, the guy used to wear chaps and a vest that were covered in crosses, they were hanging all over the thing and that was in the mid-90s, way before the Christian deal came around. I don't see him sporting that type of thing now. I don't really get why people hate on him for finding God or whatever. I can see why they may dislike him for the shit he has pulled backstage or even dislike his work, but hating a guy for turning his life around is a little strange to me. The guy was fucked up on pain pills and what not and now he won't even drink a beer. That is admirable and shouldn't be mocked. I supose I'm taking this a little too personally but I've had two close friends die from drug overdoses and I wish that they would have found something, anything that would have given them the strengh to quit. A guy who crosses himself and looks to the heavens during his entrance and wears a shirt with a Jesus Fish on it, is not pushing his religion on people. The schmuck at the supermarket who corners you and thrusts bible verses in your face and claims to want to save you after you made the mistake of telling her that you don't beleive in God, rather than just ignoring them and walking away is thrusting their relgion upon you. And, yes that really happened to me when I was about 15.

Since when was Goldberg/Lesnar a true dream match? The dream match was Goldberg/Austin and they couldn't deliver it because of Austin. Goldberg/Lesnar was an interesting match in that it was the original Goldberg vs the next guy to get the "Goldberg push" and it was getting mega reactions until the night of the show when much of the Garden knew that they both were leaving. But either way WM 20 didn't really have 1 drawing card. It wasn't like WM 6 or 9 or 13, there was something for everyone on that card. They had a power match, a technical match, a three way with three very good workers, they had the star power with Austin, Foley, and Rock, etc... Oddly, as was mentioned the last WM to have the title match be the main drawing card was WM 17. 18 was Hogan/Rock, 19 was Hogan/Vince and Austin/Rock with Booker/HHH and Angle/Brock as sort of after thoughts. And 20 had everything.

They've got to go with Eddy as his first challenger. Cena needs to have good matches to stay over. I'd also go with Jericho going to SD!, turning heel, getting the big push and winning the belt at Summerslam setting up a Cena win at WM 22, assuming he maintains his heat. But honestly he can't do worse than JBl has as champ. SD! has bottomed out, it won't go down any further in the ratings. Besides they really have no choice. They need to make stars. If they try and fail, it'll be better than not trying at all or cutting the legs of the guy once they give him the ball or make people want him to have it.

Edge was just living his gimmick. He's a heel now. Edge is old school, just like HHH.

The Booker T line was "My daddy always said if you want some, come get some but you better be big enough and bad enough to take some." The "don't hate the playa hate the game" line would have worked for a heel who was responding to a face bitching about the heel cheating. But the way Booker used it just didn't make sense. He'd just tack it on ot the end of every promo. "Now, can you dig that? SUCKAAAAAAAAAA!" is a way better end line.

The problem with monster heels is that the fans start to cheer them. The nWo were estentially monster heels who dominated so much that th fans cheered them. Goldberg came in as a heel and was turned face, Brock was turned by the fans, the list goes on, Austin too, the list goes on. HHH gets a good face pop when his music hits and doesn't get booed until he starts talking. I think it used to be easier to be a heel than a face and now the oppostie is true. It's hard to get true heel heat now. If you are too dominant the fans will cheer you, if you are too cowardly they won't take you seriously, it's a tough line to walk.

Care to show some evidence of this ability of Batista's to work a good match? I've seen a few matches that he's been in that I'd call good adn they were against HBK and Benoit, so it wasn't exactly Batista working a good match, rather two guy working a match around him. Goldberg was carryable to the same level and his offense was unique, as opposed to the 1980s hoss moveset that Big Dave brings to the ring with him. Bottomline is that HHH will either make or break Batista at WM. He is over right now but if HHH doesn't job for him in under ten minutes to the powerbomb then Dave is pretty much dead in the water. If they go 20 minutes (unless Batista has been holding back a ton in the last few years) he'll be exposed for the poor worker that he is.

How exactly does he shove his religion in people's faes? Because he wore a shirt with a Bible verse on it at SummerSlam 02? His merchandise has Jesus fish and such on it but other than that I fail to remember him using the ring as his pulpit and preaching the word of God. I'd be willing to bet that non-smarks wouldn't even realize he was born again. I don't even believe in God adn generally am sensitive to people trying to thrust their beliefs upon me but I have no problem with someone expressing their's, especially if it's on something as ignorable as a t-shirt. I think Hogan's face character was far more in your face about thrusting religion on people. "Train, say your prayers, etc..."

1) Ric Flair - Heel in his prime, Face now. 2) Shawn Michaels - Heel, he is just an incredible heel, while his face character is boring. 3) Bob Backlund - Heel, I loved Mr. Backlund. 4) Roddy Piper - Heel in his prime, face now. 5) Jake Roberts - Heel, trust me. 6) Mick Foley - Face, the bumps he took made it hard to boo him. 7) Bret Hart - Heel, his wrestling style is tailor made for a heel. Look at the babyface matches he's been in (vs. Nash: RR and Sur. Ser. 95, Taker: RR 96, etc...) and he was the one who worked heel. 8) Lex Luger - Heel character, face wrestler. As he wasn't a good enough worker to control a match as the heel. 9) The Rock - This is tough because he's so good at both, but I'll go with heel because of the awesomness that was his early 2003 heel run. 10) Undertaker - Heel. 11) Randy Savage - Heel, as a face he got lazy and every match turned in to him getting beat down for the whole thing before making a short comeback and hitting the elbow. 12) Big Show/Giant - Face, I guess, although he's not really good at either.