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Of your list: Parisi(he was charismatic as Johnny Swinger, but isn't given anything to work with), Dupree, Johnny Nitro, some of the spirit squad, Kane, Eugene, Melina, Mickie James, Gene Snitsky, AAE, Val Venis, Lita, Viscera and ESPECIALLY Cena are all more charismatic than Orton. Oh, and Carlito too. And Triple H. All of these wrestlers have more enthusiasm and electricity in their promos. I edited it out because I didn't feel like having to explain why every wrestler was more charismatic than Orton, since it would of taken a while.

His character isn't interesting enough to garner anything more than a midcard reaction.

I came up with this theory a few days ago on another forum... "June 21st, 2006 03:45 AM IP Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post-New post- The only logical explanation is that Kane had a psychotic breakdown 4 years ago and decided to become a hermit again, so his half-brother "Glen" assumed his identity and joined the WWE. Glen was also a wrestler who competed in the WWF/E before as Isaac Yankem & Fake Diesel. Glen is the one who lost his mask and had sex with Katie Vick's corpse. He was never burned like Kane was, which explains why his skin is fine, and unlike Kane, lived a normal life and attended parties, which explains why he was in the car with Katie Vick when she died. When Kane got word of what Glen had done and that he used his name to become a wrestling/movie star, he came out of hiding to exact revenge. The twist is that the fake Kane is actually the REAL Kane."

Never, because Edge isn't cool. His promos sound forced and he's not very funny. Paul, is that you?

In regards to his wrestling ability:I think he's a good wrestler, and a lot of of other people do too. By WWE standards he's very good. He's consistently had good or great matches with Benoit, Taker, Foley and Angle. And considering Foley and Taker are past their primes, you can't argue he was being carried. So he ended Benoit's reign? Someone had to. And you could argue the title flop wasn't his whole fault. His match with Foley was ALL Foley. Benoit carried him, and I didn't find their matches particulary great. I haven't seen his matches with Angle and Taker, but it's not like those two haven't carried slugs before, even past their primes. Orton has less heat than any top guy on the roster, his promos are terrible and he has very little charisma. His matches are dull and boring more often than not, and when he isn't slapping on a chinlock for 5 minutes, his offense looks sloppy and weak. He has NOTHING that warrants a main event push. No charisma, little wrestling talent and even less heat.

Eddie couldn't handle the pressure because SmackDown's business was tanking thanks to Bradshaw's push that resulted in countless house shows being cancelled and record low PPV buyrates.

Looking back, I think they should've waited until Starrcade '98 to do Goldberg-Hogan, and slowly build to it from the moment they found out Goldberg was such a ratings draw. Then have Goldberg go undefeated until Sid comes in and ends Goldberg's streak, getting Sid over as a monster heel right away. Then have them fued for a couple months and do Goldberg-Sting at Starrcade. Then put the title on Scott Steiner at Spring Stampede instead of Jarrett and slowly build him up as a monster heel throughout the year, leading to Goldberg-Steiner at Starrcade 2000, with Goldberg getting the title back.

What WCW Invasion? Standing outside their arena and walking into CNN's building? Austin-McMahon was the draw and main course, D-X was an appetizer.

2001-The invasion was a joke, but you had the deepest talent pool WWE ever had with 3-4 good matches nearly every show (even on Heat and Jakked/Metal). RVD was having the best string of matches he ever had, Jericho-Rock was the last truly great fued and you had guys from WCW and ECW like Tajiri, Kanyon, Kidman and Storm who were carrying the midcard. 2002-Smackdown Six, Rock-Hogan, BookDust and some leftover WCW talent that kept the midcard strong. Brock was well booked until the fued with Taker that killed him. The booking became atrocious, Jericho had one of the worst reigns ever, WWE enjoyed a string of some of the worst WWE main events ever, thanks to Triple H, Hogan, Undertaker, and Raw became the Triple H show, as RVD, Jericho and Kane were buried. 2003-Stale Triple H holding the Title forever and fueding with WCW rejects like Nash & Steiner. You had Goldberg's botched run and Brock-Angle-Show wrestling each other 4 billion times, but SmackDown's midcard was strong with Eddie, Rey, Matt Hardy, WGTT, Ultimo, Benoit and Cena(who while not a great wrestler, was one of the hottest acts on the show), and at least the Brock-Angle-Show combos produced some decent matches, even if it was done to death. Raw was complete garbage with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. 2004-Benoit & Eddie became champions, but Eddie was buried in a horrible fued with a fresh from Velocity Bradshaw that tanked Smackdown, and Benoit played third fiddle behind Triple H and Michaels neverending circle jerk. Then Bradshaw and Randy Orton both won World titles, becoming two of the worst and least deserving world champions in WWE history. The midcard was filled with green, heatless OVW call-ups that dragged the quality of shows down even further. 2005-Triple H-Batista was well booked, everything else was terrible. Midcard was complete garbage, on both brands.

I'm assuming you weren't around in 1998, but DX was just as hot of a ratings commodity as Stone Cold Steve Austin was and 2nd to only Austin in merchandising. Merchandise I can believe, but I doubt they drew as high ratings as Austin-McMahon.

Well, I never accused Dave of having taste, especially when he calls Flair the best ever and Triple H a very good worker. And wasn't D-X just a midcard comedy act? I highly doubt they had a whole lot to do with WWE winning the ratings war. That stuff about jobbers not being allowed hot girlfriends is the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. What, do the main event stars want all the hot women to themselves? Aren't most of them already married anyway? Hardy deserves everything he gets for thinking WWE would be more interested in making money than stroking their own egos by burying anyone who talks out against them.

Foley is such a jobber.

Benoit's 2004 light brown "Crossface" shirt. Eddie's "Scarface" shirt around the same period was also wearable.

Agreed 110%. His matches are pedestrian and interchangeable, his offense looks harmless and business exposing and he can't sell without looking totally ridiculous(before he kips up and destroys any psychology the match may of had). Not to mention he looks like shit. He's 185 soaking wet, looks 45 and moves slowly for a guy his size. He only draws nostalgia heat, not "we'll pay to see him" heat. He's basically a more mobile Flair.

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Chris Benoit vs Steve Austin-SmackDown May 31, taped on May 29, 2001

Nova invented tapping out. Someone had to say it.

Shannon Moore vs Orlando Jordan

For some reason, I enjoyed WCW at the time. The midcard was solid with the Jung Dragons-3 count fued, Positively Kanyon, Crowbar and of course, Canadian champion Lance Storm. They were doing such a good job getting Storm over leading up to New Blood Rising, the Nitro in Kelowna(I think) was one of my favorite episodes ever, and Storm was holding three titles at once. Then they fucked it up by booking him as the biggest pussy/chump/chickenshit ever at NBR, and jobbed him out to Hugh G. Rection not too long after. Storm vs Goldberg with Bret using Storm to gain revenge on Goldberg for ending his career would of been money.

Why is Shelley jobbing...on Xplosion...to Jay Lethal? What's the story behind the Low-Ki name change?

Like I expected, the WWE guys are the stars and ECW is the midcard.

One Night Stand 3: ECW vs The Network Part 2! Zombie, Alien, Mummy, Frankenstein, Ghost & Mordecai the Vampire vs Big Show, Angle, RVD, Sandman, Sabu & Tommy Dreamer Book it.

Yeah, Flair's pissed on his legacy far worse than Foley ever will.

Well obviously the popularity of the promotion as a whole should be taken into account, but when a champion does worse business than what the champions before AND after him were doing, then it becomes increasingly difficult NOT to blame him. The only person who could of drawn in WCW after 99 was Goldberg, Booker's character in WCW was quite weak and he didn't develop a personality until coming to the WWF and turning heel. I didn't really buy his push out of nowhere, either. One day he's G.I. Bro and jobbing to Kanyon, the next, he's WCW Champion and going over Sting and Nash clean. Jarrett was also an undeserving champion. His skills and charisma were never above average.

I saw that match live and completely agree, it was nothing I hadn't seen before and the fans couldn't give any less of a shit about Orton, before or after the match. All the heat was directed at Foley. Even after the show when we saw Batista & Orton in a car, everyone surrounded Batista's side to get his autograph, and only a couple fat chicks surrounded Orton's... Despite the fact that Batista wasn't even on the card and Orton just beat Mick Foley in the second biggest match on the show!