Krankor

Ok, it seems like there is strong support for 1 day waiver wire. I think we'll go with that this year. Pitching Innings is going to stay the same though. It looks like no trades are going to go down since nothing has been posted. We’ll try and get some better rules for it and get a longer window for it next year as opposed to the 1 week we had this year. So we're gonna start drafting on Monday and VX is gonna start things off with the first pick. We're gonna use the same basic rules as we did last year with the draft. I'll post the general rules for the new managers. Once you are on the clock you have 24 hours to make a selection. You have 24 hours following the post of the previous person to make your selection. Your pick becomes 'suspended'. Meaning, your place in the draft order is skipped and the next manager can make his selection and so on. For the person that has the suspended pick, you can jump back in to the draft and make your pick whenever you finally get around to doing it. If a player is not in the yahoo player pool he can not be drafted. This is usually not an issue until the 2nd half of the draft when people start looking for rookies. If you do draft someone that isn't in the player pool, you'll be told to select a new player. If you know you’re going to be out of town or unable to check a computer for a few days, it’s a good idea to send someone some preranked players so they can post it for you. In the event that you pick someone that has either already been selected or is a keeper, you will have to select a new player. If the team after you makes a selection prior to you correcting your pick, the player the team after you selected is their property and you can not select them. Moral of the story, check the draft results in post 1 and check the keepers in post 2 prior to making a selection. Chris has sent me some preranks since he’s on vacation right now so he’s all set even though he won’t be around for few rounds. When making your pick, make sure you put down the players name and all that good stuff. Pictures are not required, but are encouraged.

The board nearly froze...

Also apparently a fuckin idiot.

"Don't worry- I won't tell anyone." Fuckin liar.

Good deal for the Mets and the Twins. The Mets really needed another arm. Oliver Perez and El Duque... no way you want those two as your 3rd and 4th starters. I don't care how incredible NYM's offense is... there's always a point in the year those Oliver and Orlando either break down or are nothing more than a batting practice pitcher pretending to be a starter. No telling if Pedro will remain healthy either. He probably will but he isn't exactly at the peak of his career anymore. Now the mets have another starting pitcher they can depend on for an automatic win like Maine. Twins got the young prospects they always covet. They can watch those guys develop. Not want to resign them, and then trade each one back to the Mets for another bag full of farm hands.

Personally I'm fine with it, just make sure everything is done by lets say 5pm Eastern, Sunday. That way if I have to do any last minute adjustments to the draft lineup it'll be ready by Monday I don't know what your plans were... if they were to trade up or trade down or just to trade players. If someone does end up with multiple picks in one round or no picks in a round it is going to make things a little more complicated. Basically if that did happen when I enter the draft into yahoo the rounds of some guys are not going to be correct due to the fact that a team can't have 2 picks in one round in the yahoo setup. Essentially, the yahoo draft results on our team page won't be the official results to base your end of the year keepers on. It'd be the draft results in this thread in the first post. I don't know what the rest of the league thinks about it but I know I am not against it. If anyone hates the idea and is strongly against it say so or pm me. I've thought of it before and thought it could be a fun idea to try. We can try it and if it ends up being a trainwreck we'll just forget it ever happened. Anyways... seems like most everyone is fine with the same rules from last year in Part One of the survey. Anyone in favor of changing the minimum innings requirements for the teams pitching staff or changing the waiver wire time from 2 days to 1 day? I know Chris and I both are in favor of dropping the waiver time to 1 day, but we appear to be the only ones. I think altering the pitching requirements won't make a difference though. Seems like if your staff is going to suck during a certain week you'll end up losing regardless.

Ok, the first 3 spots were determined by a random number generator I downloaded. Largest number possible is 1000 and the lowest number possible is 0. The team with the lowest number wins the first pick in the draft out of the new managers. The order of the lottery was determined via order of signing up. Vitamin X ends up with 8. St. Gabriel of Djibouti ends up with 826. Cheech Tremendous ends up with 417. So... VX will draft first, Cheech will draft second, and St. Gabriel will draft third. Round by Round draft order is posted in the first post of the thread now. Post 2 has the alphabetical list of keeper players. Post 3 has the rules and the team by team list of each teams keepers. So everything is good to go for us getting this thing started on Monday, Feb 4th.

Sure thing. If he isn't back by Sunday night it's all yours. EDIT: It's Sunday night and Fokai hasn't showed up... so the final spot is officially yours.

I'd like to start drafting on Monday, Feb 4th. We could push it back a couple of days so that it'll help Chris out from missing a lot of the early round action because Round 1 is going to go quick compared to the other rounds because there are 8 Round 1 keepers. This would be the order of round one based on how we finished out last season, according to the yahoo standings. Some of you have first round keepers so this doesn't really apply to you. This is just the general order each round will go in. If you have a keeper that round your work is already done. Obviously we do the serpentine style of drafting and all even numbered rounds would go in the opposite order. With Fökai. 1. VX or St. Gabriel (will be determined randomly) 2. VX or St. Gabriel (will be determiend randomly) 3. Cartman 4. HarleyQuinn 5. Krankor 6. Precious Roy 7. Fökai 8. King 9. Vern Gagne 10. MJ Styles 11. Will Scarlett 12. bored 13. CanadianChris 14. the pinjockey 15. Cena's Writer 16. Stephen Joseph 17. treble 18. Marvinisalunatic 19. Cuban_Linx 20. Deep_Thought Without Fökai. 1. VX, St. Gabriel, other new manager (will be determiend randomly) 2. VX, St. Gabriel, other new manager (will be determiend randomly) 3. VX, St. Gabriel, other new manager (will be determiend randomly) 4. Cartman 5. HarleyQuinn 6. Krankor 7. Precious Roy 8. King 9. Vern Gagne 10. MJ Styles 11. Will Scarlett 12. bored 13. CanadianChris 14. the pinjockey 15. Cena's Writer 16. Stephen Joseph 17. treble 18. Marvinisalunatic 19. Cuban_Linx 20. Deep_Thought Chris your first pick won't come until pick 8 of Round 2 since you've got Jeter as a round 1 keeper. So at most you'll only have to send a list of players for that 2nd pick. Anyways an official round by round draft order should be up by Tuesday/Wednesday of next week. I'm going to use the same style of setup like MJ used last year because that worked out nicely. The first post in this thread is just going to turn into the draft round board. Post 2 is going to turn in to the alphabetical list of all the taken keepers. If Fokai hasn't replied back by Sunday night, the search for a new manager is on. That shouldn't take too long either.

I really like that hybrid system. I like the cost idea a lot. We'd have to adjust it a little instead of just 1-10 and then 11-20 but I think its a good possibility that we should consider. No doubt, that's going in the rules. No trades are getting processed on Sunday after 12 pm, noon. That was not ideal at all when that happened last year. Unless there are protests trades usually go through pretty quickly. I think the commish gets to click accept or reject and the trade goes through immediately once that happens. I'll put a 3 day wait period on the league settings once yahoo has the page up. That way we still have time for discussion if a trade is first accepted on a friday. More than likely, the trades will get pushed through in the first 24 hours like they normally are. First question, I would say trading for that same player would be perfectly legal. The player was no longer kept after 3 years, a new team got him at a new draft value, then they traded him back to you. I see no problem with that. Second question, I think player X is fair game for Team A in year 4. He would have to be re-drafted so essentially everyone would have a crack at drafting him. So you would in theory could re-draft him at a different round for another 3 years, as long as you can draft the person before someone else gets them.

I think we are going to just nix the supplemental draft. In the TSM Fantasy Basketball league, we have 3 madness rounds. Those rounds are for teams that didn’t want to keep the max of 3 keepers or new managers. The madness round draft order is determined randomly, that way new and old managers have a fair crack at any potential free agents. Madness rounds seem fair and balanced but the way we did the supplemental draft does not. I really hate the idea of a supplemental draft. It seems like it handicaps the new teams to the fodder from the couple teams that left. I went back and looked at those rosters and those are some crappy end of season rosters. Raza is the only one that even remotely had some good players. There are only 2 guys worth building a team around and that’s Pujols and Soriano. More than likely those guys are going to be drafted with the first and second pick anyways. New managers shouldn’t have to be forced to take on players from only a select few rosters from the exiting managers. One of those teams was seriously horrible. I don’t think the new managers should have to build the rest of their draft around the scraps, some good and some bad, that they had to take on from those old teams. I think the new teams will be more than fine with building their teams through the draft themselves. That way they can assemble their team the way the want to and if they do good or bad it’s all on how they formed their team. The 2 new managers, possibly 3, are automatically going to get the first 2 picks in the draft anyways. So they are going to have the best draft spot to pull in the best talent available.

PART TWO These next three points don’t need to be resolved prior to drafting, but they do need to be hashed out prior to the trading deadline. These rules wouldn't come in to effect until the fantasy baseball off-season, which would start immediately following the completion of our championship game. 7.) I would kind of like a specific date for us to have keepers in by. We have done this before I believe. We just didn’t have one last year. So let’s just put it into the rules. I think it’d make getting the league started go a little smoother. We will still do the traditional every manager confirms they want to be a part of the league to start the new thread and season off in mid January. How about something like 1 month after the MLB playoffs are over all keepers should be in. By then we should know if anyone is retiring. I also know someone will argue what if someone blows out an arm or has Tommy John in the off-season? No you won’t be stuck with the guy unless you want him. Every team should post a 1st alternate and a 2nd alternate keeper incase something happens. What do you think? Yes we should? No we shouldn’t? 8.) Keepers. This current season we have it so every manager keeps 6 keepers. No more, no less. Last year we had 4 keepers per team. Do we want to change it so a manager can keep a minimum of 4 players and a maximum of 5 players? Or just keep it 6, no more and no less. 9.) Keepers. What do we want to do about the duration a single keeper can be on our roster? There were suggestions of making it so each manager can only have a keeper for 3 consecutive seasons. Currently we do not have any cap on the duration of a keeper can be kept. I do think we should change this rule so teams won't just stay stagnant. Here are some options I've thought of that we can select from to resolve the keeper length issue. Some of these options get a little complex but I don’t think its anything to difficult to keep track of from season to season. Option A: All players can only be on a roster for 3 consecutive years. After the 3rd year that player is no longer eligible to be kept by the manager that has had him for 3 consecutive years. The purpose of this option is so that a team can't be stacked with 5 or 6 guys that were kept during their rookie seasons and have draft values of an undrafted free agent for their entire career. This is the simplest option to keep track of. Option B: All players can only be on a roster for 3 consecutive years. After the 3rd year if a player is wished to be kept by the manager, his draft round value is re-evaluated based on what number he is ranked in the yahoo end of season standings compared to every player in the yahoo player pool. The number that the player is ranked at the end of the season would be divided by 20 to determine what round he would be worth in our 20 team draft. Example Micah Owings ends the season ranked 130. 130/20 would equal 6.5 which would put him as having a draft value of round 6 as opposed to his previous undrafted value of round 20. Any manager wanting to re-evaluate a keeper at the end of the season needs to indicate that while the yahoo player pool is still up at the end of the season. We typically start the drafting before yahoo gets the player pool and the new league page setup. This essentially would become the players new draft value for the next three seasons if the manager wishes to keep him for that long and still deems him still a good value after his draft round value is reevaluated. Option C: Keepers that have a draft round value between rounds and 11 and 20 can only be kept for 3 consecutive seasons by a manager. Keepers with a draft value between rounds 1 and 10 do not have a cap on the duration they are to be kept. If you’re keeping a guy with a round one value and want to keep him its not like you’re getting away with highway robbery. I sort of arbitrarily picked the rounds. If we like this option we’d have to play around with the rounds to get it correct instead of just cutting it down the middle like I did. Option D: Each roster can designate 1 or 2 players long term keepers. These keepers can be kept for double the amount of time a regular keeper can remain on a roster. If a manager wishes to keep him past that time his stock is re-evaluated and he is no longer listed as a long term keeper. The catch… If a player listed as a long term keeper is traded after the regular keeper duration of 3 seasons to a new team, than at the end of the season, if the manager that traded for him wishes to keep him, his draft stock is immediately re-evaluated. Option E: We come up with some sort of hybrid/combination of these other options together that we like better than the options individually. 10.) IF we choose to pick one of the options or another keeper option someone else comes up with, we need to clear up this potential loop-hole I already thought of. What happens to a keeper if he is traded after 2 seasons of keeper eligibility? For example, Hanley Ramierez is traded. He has a draft value of Round 20 with 1 year of eligibility left at that value. Does that 1 year of eligibility roll over to the manager accepting the trade, essentially like a player’s contract in real life? Or does the eligibility revert to having 3 years eligible at that Round 20 spot for the new manager that just received Hanley? I really like the idea of having a duration that keepers can have at their draft values. It makes it like signing a guy to a 3 year contract at that draft round value. If you trade a guy or it doesn't pan out and you cut him during the season and someone else picks him up they are essentially picking up that contract. It seems pretty cool like it adds some extra strategy to the off season game of keepers. It could also be fun because at the end of the 3 years a team could essentially trade away some players that would have ‘expiring contracts’ to a team trying to make a playoff push and just needs guys for the stretch run. Anyone else with any ideas on keepers that I didn’t come up with feel free to submit them. Like I said earlier, the keeper stuff doesn’t need to be settled until the trade dead line.

Ok guys, it’s time for the much anticipated pre-season survey since we have 19 out of 20 teams confirmed we can get the discussion rolling. I would like to start getting the drafting going by Feb 4th. It’s a Monday. I’m splitting this into two parts in two separate posts. Part 1 is all the general league settings and needs to be hashed out before we draft. Part 2 is all about keepers and we need to come to a general consensus by the trade deadline. PART ONE 1.) Last year's roster positions. Is everyone good with keeping last years set up? C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL 2.) Last year's stat categories. Is everyone still fine with all of last year’s stats? R, HR, RBI, SB, OBP, SLG, W, SV, K, HLD, ERA, WHIP 3.) Waiver Time. Last year it was 2 days. There were some suggestions to make it 1 day. What do you think? 4.) Minimum Pitched Innings Requirements. Last year it was 28. There have been some suggestions to lower it slightly. What do we want to do with this? We’re not getting rid of it because we use weekly rosters in this league. The lowest I think we should lower it is to 26 and I don’t think it will really help many people out. If your pitching gets screwed over with injuries or starters getting rocked I don’t think 2 innings is going to really be the deal breaker. 5.) This was a general rule we started using during the draft last year, “If a player is not listed in the yahoo free agent pool, than he is not eligible to be drafted.” I assume everyone is still cool with this rule. If so I’m going to put it in the league rules and make it official. 6.) I'm going to leave trade veto as commish like last year. Pretty much all fair trades will get accepted. If everyone generally hates a trade, post in the thread about it and the managers making the deal can plead their case. If they have logical arguments it'll get accepted. Is everyone still fine with this method?

Derek Jeter was the first pick and it happened on Feb 6th. We're still doing ok on time... Also, I'm going to get some questions and stuff posted sometime tonight that we need to vote on.

It looks like we will have at least 2 spots opening up in the league this year. Razazteca hasn't been on since September and Iggymcfly pm'ed and said he won't be participating this year. Vitamin X is getting one of the spots and we'll need someone else to take up the vaccancy that Iggy is going to leave us. Will Scarlet and Fökai haven't been on the board yet, but I'm willing to give them more time.

That's one horrible looking girl. I was about to go get dinner, surprisingly my appetite went away.

A: Mike Conley Jr. he's looked pretty good the past few weeks he's been starting for the Grizz. He can score, rebound, and get assists. I think he'll end up a better player than Horford since Horford is mainly defensive oriented and I don't really see him getting much better on offense on that team.

A: Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes and some sort of draft pick to the Kings for Mike Bibby, Mikki Moore, and Spencer Hawes. The NBA Trade Machine says it works too. This way the train wreck of sloppy play from Gooden is finally over and they can let Hughes go to a bad team where he seems to flourish. After that they can just start Varejao at PF and let him dominate. They will have legit PG in Bibby and a guy that can actually hit a game winning shot... Mikki Moore and Hawes will be useful if and when Z finally falls apart for good. Q: Which team has the best chance at making the NBA playoffs and winning their first round match-up, Atlanta Hawks or the Portland Trailblazers?

You're right Round 4 is correct. The results thread from last year had a round labeled wrong. It had the keepers round for Round 4 listed as Round 3. Webb is Round 4.

Stephen Joseph still needs 2 more keepers since 2 of his that he changed weren't on his team. Your final roster consisted of these players: Rich Aurilia, Jeff Baker, Carlos Beltrán, Craig Biggio, John Buck, Matt Holliday, Geoff Jenkins, Brandon Phillips, Álex Rodríguez, Richie Sexson, Matt Cain, Kiko Calero, Matt Garza, Kevin Gregg, Dan Haren, Jason Jennings, Mike Pelfrey, Scott Proctor, Chad Qualls, and Chris Young Also Precious Roy, Brandon Webb was originally drafted in round 3 not round 4. That's been corrected now.

Alright, I've got everyone but 3 managers to confirm they are going to be back this season. Iggymcfly, Fökai, Will Scarlet, and Razazteca. Iggy and Will have both been on in the past week. Fökai was last on mid-December. Razaz hasn't been on since September so I think its fair to say he won't be back. I believe we also had to toss him from the TSM Basketball Keeper league because he never showed up. I'm more than willing to give Razaz until Saturday to show up. After that I'm going to give his spot to VX. Keeper length will have to be addressed for sure. Once we get these last 3 people signed up, I'm going to make up a little survey that we all can vote on the topics so we can make this as diplomatic as possible.

I just got precious roy's keepers. So that's him confirming he's back as well.

BTW, If you guys want to change keepers before we get things going I'm not against it and I don't think anyone else will be against. We did do that last year, and there are still teams turning in their keepers. I'm concerned with some of the guys on my team being in the yahoo player pool. They tend to be lazy as hell on that sometimes. Especially Buchholz... who knows if he'll be in the pool or not. He very well could start the year off in the minors because of the log jam at SP on the Red Sox.

For reference, here are the updated rules from the end of last year for any potential new teams that will probably be joining us at some point. Next is a listing of each team's keepers. The order of the teams is the order of how the standings finished out last year. First to Last. New Managers 1. St. Gabriel of Djibouti "St. Gabriel's Djibs" 2. Cheech Tremendous "Stat Mongers" 3. Vitamin X "Portland Wet Sox"

This is the alphabetical list of keeper players that are not available to draft. Any player on this list is already on another team. Adam Jones (Undrafted) Round 20 Adam Wainwright (Round 8) Alex Rios (Round 4) Alex Rodriguez (Round 1) BJ Ryan (Round 5) BJ Upton (Round 18) Brad Hawpe (Round 11) Brad Penny (Round 9) Brandon Webb (Round 4) Brian McCann (Round 18) Brian Roberts (Round 3) C.C. Sabathia (Round 3) Carl Crawford (Round 1) Carlos Beltran (Round 2) Carlos Guillen (Round 9) Pushed to Round 10 Carlos Zambrano (Round 2) Chase Utley (Round 2) Chone Figgins (Round 2) Pushed to Round 4 Chris B. Young OF (Round 7) Chris Young SP (Round 3) Clay Buchholz (Undrafted) Round 20 Cole Hamels (Round 20) Corey Hart (Undrafted) (Round 19) Curtis Granderson (Round 11) Daisuke Matsuzaka (Round 1) Dan Haren (Round 4) Dan Uggla (Round 20) David Ortiz (Round 1) David Wright (Round 1) pushed to Round 2 Delmon Young (Round 16) Derek Jeter (Round 1) Dmitri Young (Round 20) Edgar Renteria (Round 8) Eric Byrnes (Round 10) Erik Bedard (Round 4) Fausto Carmona (Round 18) Francisco Liriano (Round 17) Frank Thomas (Round 17) Freddy Sanchez (Round 5) Grady Sizemore (Round 3) pushed to Round 4 Hank Blalock (Round 8) Hanley Ramirez (Round 20) Homer Bailey (Round 8) Hunter Pence (Undrafted) Round 19 Huston Street (Round 3) Ichiro Suzuki (Round 1) pushed to Round 3 J.J. Hardy (Round 19) Jake Peavy (Round 3) James Loney (Round 14) James Shields (Round 18) Jason Isringhausen (Round 14) Javier Vazquez (Round 8) Jeff Francis (Round 9) JJ Putz (Round 3) Joakim Soria (Undrafted) Round 20 Joba Chamberlain (Undrafted) Round 18 Joe Blanton (Round 16) Joe Mauer (Round 3) Joe Nathan (Round 2) Johan Santana (Round 1) John Lackey (Round 2) Jose Guillen (Round 18) Jose Reyes (Round 2) Josh Beckett (Round 5) Josh Fields (Undrafted) Round 20 Josh Hamilton (Undrafted) Round 18 Justin Morneau (Round 8) Justin Upton (Undrafted) Round 18 Justin Verlander (Round 19) Kazuo Matsui (Undrafted) Round 20 Kelvim Escobar (Round 9) Kevin Youkilis (Round 8) Lance Berkman (Round 3) Matt Cain (Round 8) Matt Holliday (Round 7) Micah Owings (Undrafted) Round 17 Miguel Cabrera (Round 3) Nick Markakis (Round 19) Oliver Perez (Round 16) Orlando Hernandez (Round 17) Paul Konerko (Round 3) Philip Hughes (Undrafted) Round 20 Placido Polanco (Round 20) Prince Fielder (Round 6) Rafael Betancourt (Round 19) Roy Halladay (Round 2) Russell Martin (Round 9) Ryan Braun (Undrafted) (Round 20) Ryan Garko (Undrafted) Round 20 Ryan Howard (Round 1) Scott Baker (Undrafted) Round 19 Scott Kazmir (Round 8) Shane Victorino (Round 15) Takashi Saito (Round 5) Tim Hudson (Round 9) Torii Hunter (Round 8) Pushed to Round 9 Travis Buck (undrafted) Round 20 Travis Hafner (Round 3) pushed to Round 4 Troy Tulowitzki (Round 13) Vladimir Guerrero (Round 1) Yovani Gallardo (Undrafted) Round 19 Zack Greinke (Round 17)