Krankor

Damn tons of trades happening this morning... Trade number thirteen of the season, Born To Runner Up acquires Magglio Ordonez, OF and Troy Percival, RP Reinsdorf's Gang acquires Delmon Young, OF and Armando Galarraga, SP Trade number fourteen of the season, Toronto Dirtbags acquires Andy Pettitte, SP Reinsdorf's Gang acquires Dmitri Young, 1B It's apparently a Young family reunion on the Reinsdorf's Gangs' squad.

Trade number twelve of the season, Team Random Hero acquires Jeff Francis, SP Landfall Jacobites acquires Brian Bannister, SP

Trade number eleven of the season, NuclearHD acquires Mark Teixeira, 1B Reinsdorf's Gang acquires Vernon Wells, OF

I just used McCann because he was the first guy that popped into my head when I was thinking of a random guy that would be kept for quite a long period of time. It wouldn't. That's the point of the system. The purpose of the keeper system is so that teams get charged a cost if they keep guys that are cheap for long periods of times so that eventually the player will have a more realistic value. If you're keeping guys drafted in rounds 1 through 6 than they obviously are probably worth it and the team is already paying top draft value for them. If you want to keep guys with that expensive a value for a long time than that's perfectly fine. Also, If you selected one of the keeper options in your post I must have missed it.

Jay Mariotti, Sensible.

It’s officially the dog days of the baseball season. In the spirit of it being an election year, we have a bunch of stuff to vote upon. The first order of business, Keeper Duration Options Looking back at our previous discussion these three options seemed to be the most popular options. There were a few other options but everyone generally hated them so they didn't get included in this list. If anyone has any other options that might be popular we can add to the list. For now I suppose we can commence with arguing over these options and I'll keep a tally of who is in favor of which option and the winning option will be what we use as our keeper system. I really would like everyone to vote. If you don't care just post and say you don't care. At least that way I know that you know what's going on and are fine with whatever is decided. For all Options, if a player is traded he would maintain the current contract, Draft Value + Years Remaining @ Value. Option A: Leave the System Alone We keep it the way it is currently set up. You can keep any player for as along as you would like and that player's draft value is kept constant. Example: Prince Fielder was drafted in round 6 and would therefore be worth a Round 6 draft pick as long as he is listed as a keeper. Option B: Three and Done All players can only be on a roster for 3 consecutive years. After the 3rd year that player is no longer eligible to be kept by the manager that has had him for 3 consecutive years. Example: Shane Victorino is kept for three consecutives years with a draft value of 15. After three years are up, Shane Victorino can no longer be kept at that given draft value and will be entered back into the player pool to start the next season and will be available for all managers to have a shot at drafting him. The manager that previously had Shane CAN redraft Shane for the fourth year. Shane would then start a new 3 year contract at a new draft value. Option C: The Hybrid Keepers can be kept for 3 years at their original draft value. After 3 years, if they have a draft value of round 11-20, their round value would have 5 rounds deducted from it. If the player has a draft round value of 1-10, than 3 rounds would be deducted from it. This would happen each year until the player would eventually be worth a first round draft pick. Example: Brian McCann has a draft value of 18. Once three years are up, he would have a draft value to start the fourth season of 13. If kept for the fifth season, he would have a value of 8. If kept for a sixth season, he would have a value of 5. If kept for the seventh season, he would have a value of 2. If kept again, he would have a value of 1 and that value would remain constant until Brian McCann is no longer kept. EDIT: Tally A: 0 B: 4 C: 14 Not Voted: bored, precious roy

Hamilton is worth a Round 18 draft pick because that's the round he was selected in giving him that draft value. Last year he was undrafted but he got kept and that gives him a draft round value. So far looking at my keepers it's the same situation as you VX. I had a ton of undrafted guys last year, but this year so far I only plan on retaining 2 of them for next year. Clay Buchholz was Undrafted-Round 20, Scott Baker Undrafted-Round 19, and Justin Upton Undrafted-Round 18. I've already dispatched Baker and Buchholz will be my #20 and Upton will be my #18. I'll probably find some other undrafted guy to throw into the mix. Possibly my Josh Fields pick up, he was worth Undrafted-Round 20 by pinjockey in the draft, if he ever manages to get called up. If not he won't be in the player pool next year since he has yet to log any big league at bats. So Gomez would currently be your 20th and Hamilton would be your 18th. More than likely you'll score another damn fine undrafted guy in the mean time to fill in your 19th spot. And with the possible keeper minimum, it was just a random proposed number. I do think that ever team should be able to find at least 1 keeper to keep. Even if you plan on blowing things up and starting over. I have no problem with varying the amount of keepers from 1 to 6. Typically I blow my team up around mid July... Signs are pointing to that again this year... EDIT: If you decided to keep Crosby your keepers would go: Crosby Round 20, Gomez Round 19, and Hamilton Round 18. Crosby gets the priority at Round 20 since he was your selection there and Gomez was undrafted and would get pushed to the next available free round for you. Either way it works out well for you, I always love keeping productive guys at the end of the draft that way I can concentrate on other areas at the beginning of the draft. And as productive as Hamilton is with a Round 18 value is totally awesome for you. God how I wish I had that.

I enjoyed Rickie Weeks getting sent to the DL on Monday. Oh well, maybe it'll help my team's OBP.

Actually, I just want back and looked at the rules and there should not have been any confusion. The league agreed upon them prior to drafting. These weren't new rules. We've had them in effect the past 3 seasons. That's how everyone should have thought that free agent players that were drafted would be if they are selected as keepers. If we want to put it to a vote to alter that rule for the start of the 2009 season we can do that. The current rule will be in place for free agent pick ups this year since it was explicitly mentioned. I'll put it on the docket of stuff we will vote upon. First up will be keeper length, next will be amount of keepers, keeper due date deadline, and last will be the free agent keeper value issue.

Yeah, I'm not really in favor of a 3-4 past and 3-2 new idea either. I think it would be restricting against good teams. I think making a minimum and maximum keepers rule might be beneficial. I know some teams that are terrible probably do not want to keep a total of 6 guys, but teams that are great would be put at a disadvantage by lowering the total keeper total. I think making like a minimum of 4 keepers and a max of 6 would be a fair compromise across the board. What does everyone think? Since it is a keeper league you need to be able to keep at least 4 guys. If you can't find 4 guys you want to keep then your team has serious issues. Yeah that's getting fixed next year for sure. The team with the first draft pick is getting the first waiver priority and the team with the last pick is getting the last waiver priority to start things off for the season. It worked out the other way this year because we had an even number of draft rounds and it didn't get noticed until after the season was under way. I really think guys getting tagged with the Undrafted/Free Agent value is going to get extremely ridiculous if we do it. I have no problem keeping track of it but it’s a major rule change that potentially would have caused a lot of different add/drop scenarios the previous 2 months of the season so in fairness there is no way to enact it if we decided in favor of it until the 2009 season. There’s going to be a ton of player getting kept with Round 20 values that were drafted in the top 10 rounds that just slumped for a little while or got hurt so a manager had to cut ties with them to make room on the roster. I can see guys like Hamels having the Round 20 value because he was snagged as a rookie when he had no previous value and now he does. That took some research and possibly some waiver-priority luck and should be rewarded. I got Jon Garland off waivers and he hasn't been half bad. I really don't think I should be rewarded with him having a round 20 value just because someone gave up on him early in the season. That's my main argument against it. I don't think a team should be rewarded because someone else gave up on a guy because he was in a minor slump or was hurt and they were forced to make a move. Two examples are Jack Cust and Richie Sexson. Should these guys have the same value as Mike Fontenot or Adam Lind because they spent a stint on the free agent list? I really don't think so. Hell no, those guys are solid players that just went through some slumps. Also, I would not see why if a team drops a player and he clears waivers why they wouldn't get that benefit of him having a round 20 value. No one else wanted him so if you want to reacquire his services then you should be able to with all the perks that other teams would get. Just saying, it would put the team that dropped the guy at a disadvantage to the rest of the league. If the majority of the league would want it we can do it. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense. If you pick up a guy off the free agent list that was drafted, but got dropped, he should have a certain amount of baggage like real players do when they get dropped. He shouldn't be as spanking clean as a Clayton Kershaw. Like Barry Zito with no baggage? Of course someone would want to scoop him up later in the season to take a chance on for next year with that sort of upside. But to make things more realistic, Barry Zito should have A LOT of baggage.

If a player is dropped and picked up by another team, he still retains his original draft value because it is essentially like taking on that player’s contract through the remainder of the season. I’m not sure if I had that in the league rules or not, if not it was always assumed to be the standard. If it wasn’t, I’ll include it in the giant keeper section that will get added at the end of the month. Things would get quite ridiculous if they didn't keep that value. I can tell you for certain a lot of teams would try and clear players through waivers just to get rid of the original draft value when a guy is slumping. Hell, I would have done it with a ton of my slumping pitchers already. I know I could have snuck Ian Snell and Michael Cuddyer through waivers untouched early on. Are you proposing only keeping 3 to 4 keepers total or keeping only 3 to 4 keepers that you kept last year and then keeping 3 to 2 brand new keepers? By the way, everyone needs to check back on Thursday afternoon because I want to get the ball rolling with what we want to do on keeper year duration and get all that stuff hammered out by the end of June. I’ll draft up a couple of possible options from the preliminary discussions we discussed early on in the year. That way teams out of contention can start taking appropriate actions to get ready for next season.

Trade number ten of the season, Rockbirds acquires Johnny Cueto, SP Born To Runner Up acquires Delmon Young, OF

My team is starting to drown in its own feces.

Trade number NINE of the season and number FIVE for VX, Rockbirds acquire Jarrod Saltalamacchia C/1B Portland Wet Sox acquire Gio Gonzalez SP

Wow you guys sure are making a ton of trades... If number of trades were a stat category, VX would in the lead with four so far this season. Trade number eight of the season, Toronto Dirtbags acquires Derrek Lee 1B and Chad Billingsley SP/RP Portland Wet Sox acquires Josh Hamilton OF and Ubaldo Jimenez SP

Trade number seven of the season, Band of Broheims acquires Robinson Cano 2B and Joba Chamberlain RP Serenity acquires Zack Greinke SP/RP and Jonathan Broxton RP

Trade number six of the season, Brockvegas Posse acquire Edgar Renteria, SS Rockbirds acquire Jorge Cantu, 1B/3B

Don't fret Harley, my team managed to collapse on Sunday so you'll get a 7-4 win. My pitching was awful all week. Buchholz, Quals, and K-Rod were the only guys that pitched well for me all week. Hopefully the addition of Flash Gordon and Justin Duchscherer in my pitching lineup next week will get something going. JR Towles, Prince Fielder and Justin Upton getting some home runs would be appreciated as well.

Trade number five of the season... and Ellsbury isn't involved... Portland Wetsox acquires Carlos Gomez, OF Stat Mongers acquires Dustin Pedroia, 2B

That sounds like some sort of internal glitch. Normally it will tell you that if you are trying to make a roster move and one of the guys in your DL slot are no longer on the DL. It looks like you got it to work though. You can leave a guy in the DL slot after he comes off the DL as long as you don't move him out of that DL slot. However you won't be able to Add/Drop anyone or make trades until that player is inserted back on to your bench. This is useful when you want to give a guy extra time to make sure they are going to be productive before having to drop someone on your roster. I'm happy that I no longer have 5 guys listed on the DL. I can finally start evaluating what I have.

Aren't all trades a form of two teams colluding to begin with? Two teams are conspiring to get better. There aren't any defined illegal rules regarding trades. So I think it would be impossible to ever really prove that a team made a trade that would be considered illegal. I can just approve all trades regardless of any potential stupidity that might occur in a trade. That's fine with me. I recall having to argue last year to get my Prince Fielder trade to go through because a number of teams did not want it to happen. Prince Fielder finally is starting to get me some homers this year. He had 2 today. Trade number four of the season... The Layden Express acquires C.C. Sabathia, SP Gotham Harlequins acquires Jacoby Ellsbury, OF Be sure to use protection with Ellsbury, he's been passed around quite a bit so far this season. Never know what kind of vd he could have...

Anyone opposed to this trade? It seems fine to me. Another high risk/ high reward type of deal. If there aren't any complaints, I'll click the approve button Wednesday afternoon.

I guess just saying that statement gets you some sort of Boston Red Sox beard karma and helps your team pull off the impossible. I'll have to remember that for next season. Even though that championship matchup ended 7-1, that was still an incredibly close matchup in nearly all the stat categories. I was extremely concerned until Jason Richardson's 8 steal performance on Tuesday. Team Random Hero will be enjoying the off-season in Disney World.

Yep, looks good to me Harley. Both are high risk/high reward guys. Trade number three of the season... Brockvegas Posse acquires Gary Sheffield, OF Gotham Harlequins acquires Huston Street, RP

Some critical games tonight. This has been a close matchup all week long. Ramon Sessions has been a monster in place of Mo Williams. Troy Murphy has managed to fall apart and become useless. My team learned to deal with the loss of Wade a few weeks ago, but the injuries to Drew Gooden and Josh Boone have utterly killed me in the rebounds and blocks categories. I'm fairly certain I have at least 3 categories locked up, every other category is either tied or very very close. FG%, 3PTM, REB, STL, and BLKS are anyones to win. I should win the points category and that would give me the tie breaker. TOOG will have to win those other 5 categories to get the victory.