Lt. Al Giardello

Cory Spinks beat Ricardo Mayorga to become the unified champion, Mayorga at the time was the #1 ranked welterweight after beating Vernon Forrest, who became the #1 WW after beating Shane Mosley. Arguing with you about this is retarded because you fail to ignore the facts. If Cory Spinks wasn't the #1 welterweight at the time he was the undisputed welterweight champion , who was then? All major boxing sites and magazines had Spinks and Judah as the #1 welterweight while they were the undisputed champion. And same with Baldomir after he beat Judah. If you want to argue the division at the time was shitty, fine... You won't get arguements from me, the fact remains Floyd did fight the best in the division at the time. He struggled against Collazo in that fight mainly because Collazo is a very big welterweight, and he was virtually unknown at the time. No one knew what Collazo was capable of, and those are the fights that are dangerous. Collazo is also the 1st quality southpaw Hatton has faced, plus you factor in Hatton wasn't in very good shape. Hatton looked great early in the fight, even knocking Collazo down... Then being out of shape caught up to him, and you don't know come out of shape against a fighter like Collazo, who has proven to be a very tough contender in a rich WW division right now. Manny has the size where he can move up to WW and fight comfortably at... There were even talks of matching him up against Margarito who is a much bigger fighter then Floyd. When Manny fought at WW, his speed or power didn't diminished at all... You're making assumptions that he can't fight at welterweight. And you're making assumptions Floyd is going to call him out at 147 when it has yet to happen. Until then this argument is a moot point.

The fuck is a chongo?

Me and YPOV are cool to, he's a fellow MMA folder poster... We are a tight knit family.

I ride solo dawg, nor would I ever group with that bitch Byron! We got beef, yo.

Also Marciano's best wins were over a grandpa Joe Louis, two light heavyweights in Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott. He retired before the division got good with Floyd Patterson, Ingemar Johansson, and Sonny Liston. Marciano ranks in my top 10 overrated list. You're thinking of Archie Moore as the second light heavy, Walcott weighed between 180-200 most of his career. In fairness to Marciano, he never weighed more than 190 for a fight. He'd be a cruiserweight today if he so chose. I think Marciano could've beaten Johansson and Patterson. Johansson had a great right hand and a so-so chin. That's a recipe for utter disaster against Marciano. Now Liston might've gotten it done, but Marciano would have been legitimately over the hill by the time Liston was a contender. Speaking of Johansson, he just passed away last week. Yeah I meant Archie Moore... Jersey Joe Walcott was an old man by the time he fought Marciano though, past his prime.

Well he did fight Hatton eventually, when Hatton established himself even more as a fighter, and it was a bigger money fight. It was a tune-up fight nothing more, nothing less... It happens in boxing all the time. Yes he did beat Cory Spinks to become the best WW in the world. Incase you forgot, Cory Spinks was the Undisputed Welterweight Champion, there is nothing more else you can do to prove you are the best fighter in the division. Judah beat the #1 fighter, to become the #1 fighter... It's simple. Trying to argue this is stupidity. Mosley career at the time was going down hill and wasn't no longer considered a threat, he dropped two against Winky... Beat a over the hill Vargas which is hardly impressive at the time, even struggled with him in the 1st fight... Then decided to go back down to 147 which is the best career desicion. Plus Mosley never was a champion at the time, and was considered past his prime. He got the biggest payday of his career fighting Oscar, and gain a title to top it off... Which title holder would you rather Floyd fight? Travis Simms or Cory Spinks? Weight didn't make a difference, it's not like Floyd is bigger then Hatton. Fact is, if Manny blows Hatton out of the water if you complain about Floyd fighting a "flyweight", you're indeed a moron. Floyd wants to fight the best, and if Manny beats Hatton he is the best. We'll see after this happens.

Also Marciano's best wins were over a grandpa Joe Louis, two light heavyweights in Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott. He retired before the division got good with Floyd Patterson, Ingemar Johansson, and Sonny Liston. Marciano ranks in my top 10 overrated list.

I mentioned Floyd because Alkeiper asked the question, how many HOF-caliber fighters have retired undefeated. Floyd has. It said nothing about being an undisputed champion. Let me give you a little history lesson 909... At Junior Welterweight there was no one really left to fight after Gatti... He problay would've fought Vivian Harris, but he got KTFO by a retarded Colombian, Kostya Tszyu retired after the Hatton fight, and at the time Cotto was nowhere ready for Floyd Mayweather. He had no choice but to move up and pursue a fight with the undisputed WW champion, at the time Zab Judah (some gatekeeper eh?)... He needed a tune up fight before the Judah fight, so he took the Mitchell fight. For the record, Mitchell does not suck shit... He always a good boxer for many years, and a tough contender. He was a Light Welterweight champion for a few years as well, until losing it to Kostya Tszyu in controversial fashion. He is not a HOFer or a great boxer by any means, but he does not suck shit and was a solid fighter for many years. But back to the original point... He smoked Mitchell, and waited for Judah(who was the best WW in the world at the time, not some gatekeeper) to beat Baldomir, which was suppose to be an easy win for him. Judah shit the bed against Baldomir and was upsetted, whatever Mayweather still took the Judah fight because even though Judah loss to Baldomir it was still a tougher fight for him. So he beat Judah, and the naysayers still doubted Mayweather was the best at WW, and until he beat Baldomir, who was the real champion since he beat the #1 WW fighter at the time in Judah, he shouldn't be considered the best WW. Sure Baldomir isn't a great boxer by any stretch, but the fact remains he still beat Judah who was at the time the best welterweight in the world. Mayweather easily took The Ring's WW Champion, Carlos Baldomir to school, it was basically a sparring session... And decided to move up and get a crack at the best Light Middleweight in the world, Oscar De La Hoya. He really had nothing left to prove at welterweight. And by the way, even though Ricky Hatton struggled in a few fights, he was still undefeated and beat HOF fighters like Castillo, and Kostya Tszyu, and very good fighters like Juan Urango, Juan Lazcano, and Paulie Malignaggi... He is without a shadow of a doubt the best Light Welterweight other then Kostya Tszyu maybe of this decade. Seems to me you're going out of your way to discredit Floyd which is bullshit and petty. He also fought the top ranked fighters in the world as well. He beat everyone there was to beat to prove he was the best WW. He held titles in 5 different weight classes beating the best fighters in those weight classes, sure the quality of fighters at light welterweight isn't great, but that was because the division at the same was shit... He still fought the best fighter who was considered the best Light Welterweight. And now you're trying to hate on Floyd for trying to get a fight with the best pound 4 pound fighter in the world? Newsflash, n00b... Manny Pacquaio isn't just a "former flyweight" champion(which he won when he was small 20 year, you dumbass)... He has developed his body into a Light Welterweight body, and if he beats Hatton it will only further the point that he is the best in the division. He is the same "flyweight" who looked more impressive against DLH then Floyd ever did. The fact you're even hating on Floyd for wanting this fight and discrediting him proves you're a fucking idiot when it comes to boxing.

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali Crusierweight: Evander Holyfield Light Heavyweight: Michael Spinks Super Middleweight: Roy Jones Jr. Middleweight: Bernard Hopkins Light Middleweight: Terry Norris Welterweight: Sugar Ray Leonard Light Welterweight: Aaron Pryor Lightweight: Pernell Whitaker Super Featherweight: Julio César Chávez Featherweight: Azumah Nelson Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez Bantamweight: Carlos Zarate Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy Flyweight: Mark Johnson Light Flyweight: Michael Carbajal Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

I'm Canadian, but on the real Calzaghe will never be considered an all time great. HOF fighter? Sure, but he will never be in my top 50 P4P boxers ever. For years he ducked the best fighters during their primes. He fought and struggled with C and B-level opponets, while being scared shitless to step out of the UK. I give him props for beating Kessler, I still think he lost to Hopkins, and Reid both of whom Calzaghe has refused to give rematches to. That is not a real champion in my books.

So how is your original statement relevent to the question by alkeiper? He didn't need to be undisputed in ANY division. He went to each weight class and fought the best fighters in the division... He didn't need to fight bum fighters who were alphabet champions, he just wanted to fight the best fighters who were considered the best in that division. That's better then being an undisputed champion in my books. Floyd is without a doubt the best fighter of this decade, and I'm not even a huge fan of the guy, atleast nowadays.

Are you trying to deny that he isn't a HOF caliber fighter? If so, you're retarded.

Det. Ed Green

Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Here is my football starting roster Starting roster: OFFENSE - QB: Dan Marino HB: Jim Brown FB: Lorenzo Neal WR: Jerry Rice WR: Cris Carter TE: Tony Gonzalez OT: Willie Roaf OT: Anthony Muñoz OG: Bruce Matthews OG: John Hannah C: Jim Langer DEFENSE - DE: Bruce Smith DE: Deacon Jones DT: Merlin Olsen DT: Joe Greene LB: Lawrence Taylor LB: Ray Lewis LB: Jack Ham CB: Mel Blount CB: Deion Sanders FS: Larry Wilson SS: Ronnie Lott K: Morten Anderson P: Ray Guy KR/PR: Brian Mitchell Coach: Don Shula Offensive Coordinator: Dan Reeves Defensive Coordinator: Dick LeBeau

Surely EMHE has called someone here a honky or cracker. Even if I did, how would that be racism when I'm half white? Moron.

By the way Matt Arroyo getting robbed against Dan Cramer was the biggest pile of shit... Then again I'm very biased, because me and Matt are e-buddies.

Hey! I only cheer for A-level black fighters, and black fighters with great potential (I.E. Jon Jones, John Howard, King Mo and Rumble)... I got love for all races to! When did BJ Penn(who along with Rampage is my favorite MMA fighter), Shinya Aoki, JZ Calvancante, Matt Wiman, Clay Guida, and Cain Velasquez all become black? There are more to amigo!

Maybe because he's a good poster, not a little emo-dipshit like you.

Get bent, Kim didn't deserve to win that fight. He struggled against a poorly shape Karo. If you actually scored round 1 10-8 clearly you're sucking Kim's dick. I had it a draw.

Never seen him in the chat before, so doubt it.

Carwin/Gonzaga for me.

Can't wait to see Cole Miller submit Junie in the 1st round.

It's ashame thats all you know of Joseph Gordon-Levitt, because he's developed into a fanatastic actor. I saw him in that film with Heath Ledger a few years ago. 10 Things I Hate About You, I think it was. That movie was in the 90's... Joseph Gordon-Levitt has had great performances in The Lookout, Brick and Stop-Loss recently, check those movies out.

yeah but pbone's like 16 if I frequented this board at that age I'd be exactly like him...EHME should know better. Really, just like EHME-Barron, there are no winners. I did only did that once, and I contribute to a lot of the other folders as well. Nevertheless, I'm cutting down on the posting here big time. And TSM will rejoice... Faggot.