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Vic who? Hell muthafuckin' no it ain't gonna be recognized.

One guy stabbed and almost gutted another one in the parking lot... in front of hundreds of kids and parents. Does that count?

Out of all the crazy shit she vomited out of her beak, why take issue with that part? She's kinda right. There have been other attempts at planning and executing terrorist attacks on American soil since then. Just none of them were terribly successful.

What? Already? Fuck. She performed well in the role they gave her, why the hell not bring her back? I actually think this is a good idea, but can't go into why it wouldn't work without getting into the Same Damn Argument.

Meanwhile, Yankees who head down South and continue to call it "pop" despite the fact that many people will have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Around there it's usually referred to by whatever brand name without any single accepted generic pronoun for it. Though just "coke" is often used to describe any generic brown cola, regardless of brand. There are plenty of examples of this, you can also confuse 'em by saying "standing on line" instead of "standing in line".

One part standard Big Lazyness and preferring to talk instead of wrestle (and hey, who doesn't agree that Nash's promos > Nash's matches?), and one part still recovering from a broken leg when the whole angle started so he was a bit late getting a piece of the storyline. I never, ever understood why WCW did this. Jindrak and O'Haire were as natural and phenomenal a tag-team as two young steroid rookies were ever gonna be, period. Meanwhile, Stasiak and Palumbo... well, they had masted the "steroid" and "rookie" parts of that previous sentence. Stasiak's only positive contribution to the business was charging into inanimate objects, and Palumbo didn't get any good until he went to Japan and had some workrate kicked into him. Yet WCW inexplicably took this talented, relatively popular young team with seemingly endless potential, and insanely split them up into two tag teams which were just there and had no chemistry. Even worse, the WWE continued their mistake once Invasion began.

And here's the dark side of being Mick. He was driving from the Garden, the building where he'd first started going to see wrestling decades ago, and had worked at countless times, driving back to Long Island where he'd been born and raised, and he needed directions to remember how to get there. This is your brain on chairshots.

It's not all bad; there are plenty of examples of CGI being used so subtly that people never realize it. Like back in the digital granddaddy, Jurassic Park, they used computers to replace the face of a stuntwoman who accidentally looked straight at the camera with the face of the actress she was doubling. Or in Serenity, where they fixed an airball punch in a fight scene to look like it had connected. The problem comes when they're creating entirely new characters and objects completely out of CGI and placing them in front of a real-world background, because whether it's Gollum or Optimus Prime, it still all looks pretty fake.

Riled up? You appeared to have made a thoroughly 100% wrong reading of said article. It seemed to be an error which required either egregious stupidity or not having read the article at all, so naturally I reacted with exhasperated disbelief. Yet it was merely a mistake of semantics and incomplete sentence construction. You explained the convoluted message you were trying to communicate. We all understand now. And my bitching about the website was bitching about the website, not about you. The matter is settled.

That makes it sound like they made a bad decision which set us back hundreds of years. You could've worded it a lot better.

12 hours. Corey's doesn't count since it was a make-up on his time elapsed. Take us to CM Funkytown.

The old-school models and matte paintings just plain looked better than most of today's CGI stuff. Aside from the George Lucases of the world, the vast majority of computer-generated effects simply look obviously fake and unreal in a way that the old practical methods didn't. I know that's been said a thousand times, but it's worth saying again. Or, to put it another way, which looked more real: the aliens in Aliens, or the aliens in Alien vs. Predator?

Fuck the heck are you talking about? The court struck down the provision which allowed them to deny habeas corpus. As in, your horse won the race. For christ's sake, the article is titled "SUPREME COURT SLAPS BUSH" in big red letters. What the hell were you reading? And this isn't exactly an unbiased website. In a story about a SCOTUS decision, the "journalist" for no reason at all wanders down some completely unrelated tangent, like "The latest example of the failure of the Democratic Party leadership was the shameful suppression of Congressman Dennis Kucinich's resolution to impeach George W. Bush." What the fuck any of that has to do with this one court case, I dunno. Plus on their front page they rant about how Big Corporations oppress all the media in their endless search for the almighty dollar... and then literally right afterwards they beg for donations from their readers. L. O. L.

Has there been an Onion story along the lines of "Movie Star Refuses To Make Politically Volatile Comments, Says They Just Don't Care"? I think I remember something like that, but I could be imagining things.

I will thoroughly agree on two points here: that first Nitro was some amazing tv, just great shit that got me legit excited in WCW again for the first time in a while. But the decision to make the New Blood into the heels was one major factor in the whole thing tanking. The whole point of this should have been to put over some young guys and elevate new stars, not to utterly bury the upcomers and just reinforce the old guys. Of course, this being Russo, they had absolutely no way to follow up and conclude the hot angle they'd started. Seriously, how did that angle end? Answer: much like the NWO, it never ended, just sort of faded away. And by the time the payperview they NAMED after the angle came around, New Blood Rising, the entire storyline was already dead and gone.

Mick Foley. No. Though I have met Chris Hero... but that was like six years ago and nobody knew who he was back then.

Sure they're on payroll... just not the Republican's. Her rantings often have a "Russo was secretly sent to destroy WCW" sort of feeling to them. Yeah. I hope there isn't a sane person on earth who could write all that and actually mean it. Hard numbers, plz. I would be really surprised if Iraq's daily death toll, for the whole country, is lower than that of either Detriot or Chicago as she's claiming here. And just the troop deaths isn't enough, you have to count civilians, terrorists, insurgents, everyone. Detroit and Chicago's numbers certainly don't just count the number of cops killed and ignore everyone else. This is the thing which particularly pisses me off about the sort of pundit, regardless of party affiliation or ideaology. The aggressively hostile manner in which Coulter makes her claims has the general effect of making me not listen to a damn thing she's saying, period. She goes out of her way to insult and harass her opponents. She says right there that her entire mission is to continually shout the same shit until the other side goes crazy. And other stuff, like the fat jokes about Muqtada al-Sadr; what? Why these childish insults? You can't find enough in the man's words and actions to attack him, your main weapon is lousy cracks about his weight? And her absolute unwillingness to be the tiniest bit introspective, to admit the possibility that she ever has doubts like every other human being, her blind refusal to ever admit that she might've been wrong about anything... christ, even Marney eventually turned on Bush. (Not for anything to do with Iraq, but still, she doesn't consider him a friend.)

What? No it's not. This kind of brutality is standard in many parts of Africa. Killings like this are literally a daily occurance. We only hear about this one and not the others because it happened to a major politician's wife.

No, I'm not even gonna attempt to continue this. Truthy just keeps repeating himself, ignores salient points, and always insists on having the last word.

EDIT: fuck it. This is like trying to argue with Bill O'Reilly. Keep ignoring the details of the argument and yelling the same shit over and over, maybe someone will eventually believe it.

Alright, that's it. I hate playing this particular cliche, but if any argument warranted it, this one does: you've never been in the ring. I have. I know exactly what all those moves feel like. So if I say those beatings are not real "beatings", please believe that I know firsthand what I'm talking about. Wrestling is a work, and if you're really hitting each other (aside from strongstyle or worked shoot promotions), you're doing it wrong. I've also done stage combat in plays and some taped stunts for video stuff where we do indeed do a lot of takes. Know what? They're both remarkably similar to wrestling. Except much more dangerous, especially if you're doing big Hollywood stunts like car chases, swordfights, explosions, falling off buildings, and all that kind of shit. Quite a few stuntment have died doing that stuff. How many wrestlers have died in the ring? The hell it was. Back it up. Where did I ever say that helpless females who couldn't fight back needed to be domestically abused early and often by big manly men. IT IS FAKE. Is AJ's real last name "Styles"? Does James Storm legitimately show up to work drunk? Is Cheerleader Melissa really a muslim? Does Jay Lethal really think he's Randy Poffo? Did Jarrett's finisher The Stroke really look painful enough to win all those world title matches? Was that real glass that Sting bumped in? Wrestling Is Fake. It's fictional! They have scripts and everything! Badly written, but still! Because the stunt show happens to be harmful to the human biology does not change the fact that this is not a sport, period. It's an action show with soap opera tendencies. The live crowd is nothing more than a studio audience, the entire show is produced and marketed for television. It shouldn't be judged differently from any other such program. "Well you're just a misogynist. I'm more enlightened." NO. Of course violent abuse towards anyone who cannot effectively defend themselves is generally a bad thing. It doesn't matter if they're women, children, in a wheelchair, or just a lot smaller than you. It's generally seen as bullying and tyranny, and nobody here is disputing that. However, you're taking the curious position that to even DEPICT such an act, even in a fictional television program, is not acceptable under any circumstances. Whafuck? You wanna ban The Honeymooners for all of Ralph's threatening to send Alice to da moon, too? Firstly, it's an ancient and established narrative tradition that villains do bad things in stories. If anything is the modern equivalent to the medieval morality plays, it's professional wrestling. The heels have to get their heat in order to get over. You've already stated that man-on-woman violence should not be shown at all because it's wrong for a man to beat a woman in real life. Okay. Why stop there? Hitting an unsuspecting person from behind is also wrong. Clobbering someone with a blunt instrument is incredibly wrong. Should we ban those from wrestling too? Why not? It's all wrong, after all! Simply arguing that man-on-women violence is wrong and therefore should never be shown is an insanely old-fashioned argument. You'd have fit in well back at the Hayes Office. Hey, while we're at it, let's Godwin up this thread: the Holocaust was wrong. Ergo, we should not accept Schindler's List. Why is a guy hitting a girl apparently the one act which you deem is so thoroughly beyond the pale that we should never even fake it on TV? Which leads me to my final point: in every single post in this thread you have consistently and exclusively categorized any sort of violence directed by a male towards a female as inherently being Beating Up A Woman. You're implying that a woman will always be a victim, a damsel in distress who could not possibly fight back against her mighty male aggressor. Coupling this with the fact that you've also said that you don't like the idea of women's wrestling, women bleeding, or women doing anything but passively seconding the big strong men to the ring in the form of a valet, this gives the general impression that you simply do not accept a woman as any sort of physical threat or athletic competitor. If Mike Tenay rears back with all the might his 120 pounds possesses and throws a devastating uppercut directly into Awesome Kong's belly button, is that still supposed to count as Beating Up A Woman? Simply put, as long as it's presented with enough skill, I have zero problem with the idea of a man and a woman having a competitive fight on equal terms. There are many, many non-wrestling examples of fictional entertainment in which women often beat the living shit out of male opponents. Why must wrestling alone stay in the No Bitch Ain't Gonna Hit Me dark ages?

As it stands now, I'd most like to party on Gosunkugi's island, although Milky, Black Flagg, and treble all remain competitive.

Jack Black wishes he was that guy.

No, they're not "beatings" at all, if the workers are doing their jobs. They're a cooperative stunt show which involves a certain amount of necessary pain and bodily risk which is accepted by the participants. It's fake, man, and to treat a fake wrestling fight different from every other fake fight on television is just silly. Don't put words in my mouth. I've never once said "hey, you know what will really get the Knockouts over? If we let the men just go in there and beat the shit out of them like Stone Cold beating his various wives!" All I'm trying to say is that the ban is stupid and unnecessary, especially when you've got plenty of women who are being portrayed as tough or tougher than the men.