Hunter's Torn Quad

Here's some leaked footage of the brawl on this Thursday's show: http://www.ifilm.com/video/2857552

PWI. The obvious result is Batista pinning Finlay, with maybe Kane and Henry pairing off in some fashion.

It's what happens to a body when it has to pass drugs test.

It's not just being new to TNA that makes an ex-WWE guy mean something, it's what they bring with them in terms of ability or charisma or something else. Bringing in more ex-WWE guys does reduce the 'newness' of them because, as you said, there is less new for them to do by virtue of more of the ex-WWE crew being around, which is one reason why you don't bring in every wrestler the WWE lets go. Angle being washed up in WWE didn't affect his name value in TNA, because he wasn't seen by the majority of people as a WWE reject but as a star. It's the same sort of thing that happens when a medium or top level name in WCW or the WWF would jump to the other side. No matter how he was seen or booked in his old promotion, he was fresh again in his new promotion because it was new and he meant something. Look at Chris Jericho. Perennial midcarder in WCW who was in the midcard forever, but as soon as he stepped foot in the WWF he was a superstar. Granted, he got booked into the ground in short order and meant nowhere near as much by the end of the year, but in those first weeks, he was treated as a star by the WWF fans, even though he's been a midcarder for virtually all of his tenure in WCW. Physically, he's been washed up for a long time. I won't disagree with that. But as far as having value goes, he he wasn't washed up when he entered TNA, because of how the fans perceived him, and had plenty of value to give. Naturally with TNA, that value was wasted and he had none of it left in rapid order.

I don't think you understood what I meant. Angle was new again in TNA. Sure, he's doing the usual Angle stuff, with the constant reversals and all that, but what's new was Angle in TNA. He was in a new environment with new wrestlers, and while his share of things was what it usually is, the people he was facing were doing their own thing and it made for something different and new. Angle vs. Joe? New. Angle vs. Styles? New. Yes, what Angle himself was doing was the usual Angle of old, but the match itself was new because it wasn't something we'd seen before. That is what is meant when I said Angle was new again. Not that he was doing something different, but that was 'new' in the sense of being fresh to the company and was doing fresh, new matches that we hadn't seen before.

Amazing what clean living will do for you.

He does. He's facing Vince, who took down Kurt Angle, don't you know. Why did Lashley get a break between opponents? Was that ever explained?

The Torch is right often enough that people still take a chance with them. Speculation over Van Dam leaving is only going to keep going, so this thread may as well stay open until he really is released at which point it'll probably get the OAO tag added.

If only we had someone who could jump in and accuse them of being trolls. The Comments....deal has only just been relaxed. Give it time, and we'll eventually have the kinds of threads you seem to want.

How is he trolling? Because he questions a thread that even for this forum had no reason to be made? The Kennedy one I can kind of see warranting a thread, but JR's comments? No.

Angle might have been washed up in WWE, but he came into TNA with the proverbial fresh coat of paint and was new again. What ruined Angle wasn't being washed up in WWE. It was the booking.

Making beating Khali like they did even more silly. They should have flip flopped the title matches and had Khali get DQ'd while beating Cena to a pulp.

Tomko is strictly midcard for life at this point. He lacks the ability, the charisma and the fire to overcome that fact, and trying to push him in anything other than a bodyguard role won't work because people can see through it. It's not that he was a virtual jobber in WWE, although that didn't help. It's that the people can tell he lacks the kind of talent in any area to warrant a real push. Even if they had followed up on his beating Joe, it wouldn't have mattered because his deficiencies in just about every area meant the people didn't buy his beating Joe. That did more to harm Joe than it did to help Tomko, even if the booking afterwards had been in any way competent. Tomko can play a decent straight man to the comic heel, but that's about all he can do well.

Kayfabed. Love Machine had just given him a tombstone, which is the big death move in Mexico. Like how the piledriver used to be in the states.

What makes that even crazier is that WWE were the ones who told her to bulk back up in the first place.

They could do the Vince berates Umaga-Umaga walks out on Vince next week, so Vince is going into ONS with nobody to watch his back. Build it like Vince is the lamb being led to slaughter and he can't do a thing to stop it.

I agree that Shane just turning against Vince makes more sense, but how do you do that with this kind of match? Shane pulls Vince off of Lashley, they argue, Umaga tags in and gets pinned by Lashley. Shane gets to turn on Vince, Vince gets to drop the ECW belt without losing, and it allows for the climactic Lashley/Vince at ONS 3 with Shane getting involved.

Shane turning on Vince makes sense. Shane siding with Lashley does not.

It depends on what goes last. If Cena/Khali goes last, I'm thinking title change because they won't want to end the PPV with a non-finish. If it's the semi-main, then it'll probably be a DQ and they'll finish with Edge pinning Batista. Taking the belt off Edge, though, would be insane, so I don't see Edge losing clean no matter where on the card it is.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Khali get the belt tonight. They definitely aren't blowing the feud off in the first match, so he's almost a lock to not get beaten, or pinned at least, either.

Via PWI:

If Van Dam were in ROH, as long as he can do what the fans want him to do, it won't matter what he can't do. He'd probably only be able to do a shot here and there, because they might want him to do more, but as long as he gives the fans the RVD show they want, they'll be happy.