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Didn't edge or christian end up getting this big ass hole in their arm from that spot before?

A damn good album.

And...he was kinda outplaying him too. Joe Johnson...if he does't make the all star game something is wrong.

Yeah, 15 games is way too much. Plus they can take anything after 12 to arbitration and since they are going against, i don't know, every precident ever set in the history of the sport by giving him that many games, I THINK he might have a case. My question. How the fuck does Jared Jeffries get 4 games for TRYING to get to someone. Thats the penalty for throwing a punch. He never even got to throw a fucking punch. That is pure bullshit. They don't suspend coaches when they have to be restrained from getting to a official (I mean Jerry Sloan does it once a week). Bullshit sez I. And Mardy Collins, that was a flagrant two, two game suspension at most. If you look at the video, he ignores Smith, ignores basically everyone and never throws a punch. Nate is the guy starting everything. Jeffries, melo and collins are kinda getting screwed on this. I would give Melo 8-10, Jeffries 2, Marty 2, and Nate and Smith 10 (yes I am giving them more games than Melo)

Come on. there is reaching and there is REACHING. You go from the clipse to spank rock. YoYoYoYoYo (am I missing a Yo) was OKAY at best.

You have to go all the way back to Charles Barkly Rick Mahorn days. Thats a long ass time. Now that I think about it, I think the Kermit Washington punch might be what put the NBA in a different catagory. Nothing that horrific that I can remember has happened in other sports. Well...in Hockey but that was just a fucking cheap shot.

Yeah...I am going to have to go ahead and disagree with that. It is a good album, no doubt and I was giving Jeezy his last chance on this one. If I heard a full album of crackity crack crack crack again, I would be done with him and he suprised me. He did some good stuff. But album of the year....nah. Definately not better than Lupe, Roots, Ghostface(and I am not even a fan of his), Games, TI's, Rhymefest's, Obie Trices, the Clipse, or Xzhibits(the most slept on album of the year) albums amoung the mainstream stuff that has come out this year IMO. Still. Solid album and everyone should give a listen. I for one still like the ad libs...i have no idea why, but I like them.

It's been around Baseball for so long that unless it's like the Red/Yankees brawl, it pretty much is considered a meaningless thing and rarely do those brawls go long or get crazy. Hockey and Football are violent sports, thus those brawls come as part of the game. NASCAR is built off "danger" and the actual fights occur off the "field" and in the back area but since it's a part of the charm of the industry, it's actually promoted these days from ESPN when they try to make a simple shoving incident between two drivers out to be an all out war (especially when the wives get involved). Basketball doesn't have that long tradition that Baseball falls back on nor does it have the excuse of being a violent sport. Thus, it gets this treatment. Yes, it's also race related. This brawl is already forgotten and if it didn't involve Carmelo punking out, no one would care. It was a shitty excuse of a brawl anyways. The Detroit brawl deserved the scorn it got and the old brawls of the NBA were much more intense and warranted those responses. The nine million articles talking about it and its horrifying effect on basketball says its not forgotten. Go to any sports site and I guarentee that there are at least two stories and one opinion piece. And I disagree with the NBA fights being intense. If anything they have been the girliest fights in the history of recorded film. Once every so often you get something that looks like a fight between men, but usually you get Jerry Stackhouse hitting Jeff Hornecek in the face twice and Jeff kinda just standing there or not moving because he punched like a bitch. Or you get Shaq punching Eric Montross and Shaq falling down while Eric just kinda stands there and looks at him...because he punches like a bitch. Or you get Jeff Van Gundy hanging on peoples leg. All of these instances were hyped up like they were horrific when honestly they were just sad because of how pathetic they were.

um.....a....a few days worth of coverage. You know what...fuck you and your being correct and pointing out my screw-up ass!!!

Well thats not fair. JR Smith didn't run from anyone. And why is Nate robinson chasing him in every picture. Nate got to him and said "Oh Shit...there isn't anyone to hold me back....up...let me throw up my hands and look angry." So after giving it has been a few days and I have had a chance to look at spots writers pretending that the NBA will never recover from the horrific horrific incident the other night, I have to ask, what the fuck is the big fucking deal. As I said earlier. This type of thing happens at least 3-4 times a year in baseball. Bench clearing brawls. And it gets 2 nights of press tops. They show some replays, the fines/suspensions are handed out and people move on. Same thing as in Nascar and Hockey. But why is basketball so different? At first I thought it was the danger involved in the other sports thus making the fights more understandable. Like, Bench clearing brawls in baseball are usually started when a pitcher goes after a batter. That is potentially is very dangerous. Or when causing a guy to wreck in Nascar. But then I got to hockey and it threw that theory out the window. A flagrant foul on a break is just as dangerous as anything that is happening out there that would cause a fight. Then I said, maybe its because it is a predominately black sport, but that doesn't fly either because noone raises too much of a eyebrow when all the shoving slapping and punching occurs on the football field at least 5-6 times a game and that is usually involving black guys so thats not it. I would love to just point at what happened in Detroit a few years back, but honestly, it was like this before. Big fights in basketball were always blown out of proportion but even moreso now. I am left to blame the NBA itself for how it handles these situations. In every other sport, they don't come out with a press conference after every fight saying how this is a ugly day for the league and it won't be stood for. They just hand out the fines/suspensions, the players do their apology thing(sometimes) and they move on. But the NBA. The commisioner has to give a statment. Stu Jackson has to give a statement aplogizing to all the viewers for having to see players getting into a fight. Because lord knows that should never happen in a full contact sports competition. Before anyone else can say something they line up to pretend as though that something horrific has happend and that it should never happen again...once again in a game where grown men play it and it is high intensity and physicality involved. Sport writers are pretending that it is incidents like this that is damaging the NBA's image across the country. I personally say it is the NBA leaders reaction to these situations that is far more damaging. Its sports. You find a competitive sport anywhere in the world and you will find fighting. Except like tennis and golf because they seldom have a opportunity to hurt each other in those sports. It is the nature of sport. These are games and events played by humans thus they are subject to the human condition. It isn't horrific when a fight breaks out. Truth be told, its what people salivate for. This thread hasn't been nearly as busy in the last month as it has been since this fight. I will guarentee that searches for the NBA has gone up 100percent in the last day or so. ANd if this game were to get national converage for the rematch in Denver, it would be one of the highest rated games of the year. People aren't horrified by this. Its the thing that builds rivalries. The Lakers/Kings rivialry really didn't kick off until Doug Christie hit Rick Fox with a uppercut. The Lakers/Heat matchup was huge because everyone wanted Shaq to take Kobes head off. Pistons Pacers was big for the rest of the year until Artest got traded. People can relate to a guy getting pissed another guy hit him hard, or pissed that a guy just took down your teammate. Until they are told they are horrified by this boarish behavior..over and over again. Baseball doesn't do it. Football doesn't do it. Nascar doesn't do it. Its about time that the NBA saved the horrific "somebody died" voice when talking about fights (which happen like once every 2 years anyway) and accept it as part of sports. Fine them, suspend them, but stop acting like the history of the world has been set back 20 years because some basketball players got into a fight....a really really girly fight.

Thats the only thing that I can think of. It looked like a "be a man about it and fight the dude" moment.

They need to play for not sucking after the bye. Hasn't history proven time and time again how stupid it is to pull your starters if you have a bye?

He ran so fast that the camera couldn't keep up with him. It was like someone ran a play action and the camera man bit on it. Would someone share with me what the fuck Nate Robinson did when he actually did get to Melo? Like you know how the entire league was holding back Jared. Nate just comes up and pumps his fist. With no one around him. He was so trying to kick ass.

I doubt it.

Yeah, thats homerism. Anthony backed away because Jeffries was dragging the entire arena behind him trying to kick his ass.I Isaiah was talking about a play before where they were doing acrobatics on a break away. There is no doubt Karl and his players were trying to show up Isaiah and his team at home. Its bad taste anyway and when you do shit like that you should expect the ever loving shit to be fouled out of you.

You always take players from shitty teams. they will put up some great numbers. Oh yeah, by the way, fuck the Bulls and Ben Gordon. Seriously though, great game between them and the Hawks, as the Hawks have lost seemingly all their games by less than 4 points. ANd some point it has to come to coaching and they can't write up a play to score with the game on the line. Plus the fact that Woodson apparently doesnt know how to substitute to save his life. Josh Childress should be back for the next game as should Tyronne Lue so the Hawks will FINALLY have their entire team. It should be interesting.

But isn't the usual for a punch like 3 games? If he gets more, thats kinda a reverse superstar treatment. After all, he did only throw one punch. One pussy ass cheapshot of a punch, but still...one. I think the only reason Ben Wallace got so many for his fore arm is because it kinda started a riot.

Oh please. Baseball has 8-9 of these a year. Football has about 100 mini ones. Hockey...well...yeah. Hell, Nascar has more fights. Basketball is the least fightingest sport that there is. It might be because none of them can fight and throw punches like girlscouts, but that not the subject at hand.

Isaiah does have a point. Karl was running up the score. It probably had something to do with Karl being cool with Larry Brown (he was pretty outspoken about the Brown/New York thing anyway) and wanted to stick it to isaiah. But having starters in a blowout late in the game doing 360 dunks and shit, thats not cool. Collins took a very hard foul, although it wasn't THAT bad. LIke there was no way that Smith was going to be hurt in that situation. But Nate and his dumb flexing pose that he kept doing...that was just annoying. ANd it was quite obvious that his posing is about all he has going for him in the fighting game. LIke I said. That little push that David Lee gave Smith when he was going to take Nates head off saved him.

Shocked...SHOCKED I say. Well, All I can hope is that the falcons win their last two and the eagles and giant lose at everything. And if he was injured he was injured. It certainly is believeable after getting hit 6000 times tonight. But if he wasn't thats just not cool.

David Lee saved Nate robinsons life when he held J.R. Smith back. ANd that was such a pussy ass move by Carmelo. Plus it was a pussy ass punch. If a guy doesn't see a punch coming and you don't knock him out you are a fucking pussy. Then you up the pussiness by running. Jared Jeffries pulling 18 people like a snow dog was hilarious though.

That's the whole thing that irks me about Nash winning last year. In the past Jordan was the default guy, but in the years where someone else could have easily matched his importance the other guy always won ('89 Magic w/MJ 2nd, '90 Magic w/MJ 3rd, '93 Barkley w/MJ 3rd, '97 Mailman w/MJ 2nd). Nash wasn't the runaway choice last year (I had him at # 4 or 5) and yet they still gave him the benefit of the doubt although he won his second for a completely different reason than his first as I explained earlier. This year there are going to be at least 5 to 8 legit candidates and if he wins again it's just retarded. I don't see how you can argue the first one. The closest person behind him was Shaq, and everyone likes to forget that the Heat went to the Eastern Semis and game 7 of it at that the year before. Plus wade missed ALOT of games in the regular season which was the only reason their record was what it was. It was a very good team. The suns were a lottery team. You are honestly going to sit here and say a team that basically adds one player and goes from lottery to the best record in the league and he doesn't deserve the MVP. They went from one of the worse to one of the best in one year after adding Nash to the exact same rotation they had the year before. The second one, I will agree with arguements, although I honestly think that the race ended with Nash, Dirk, and Billups. The flaw in your argument: If Nash didn't deserve the first award because of having amare and marion, why does he not get credit when the team wins without Amare? I still say Dirk was the MVP with Billips second and Nash third last year, but seroiusly, Lebron and Kobe? Get outta here with that. ESPECIALLY Kobe. This year, so far, noone should be mentioned that isn't Carlos Boozer or Steve Nash. Howard is still inconsistant but is about one year from becaome the most dominant player in the game. Joe Johnson was right there until his injury(although all the Hawks blowout losses without him really does show how much of the team he really was/is) and Kobe is definately playing like a MVP this year (unlike last year) My top 3 so far are Nash, Boozer, Kobe in that order. I don't expect Boozer to keep playing at this level and Nash might fall off some so I am expecting Kobe, if he keeps playing good basketball like he is now and not the I can score on anyone at anytime basketball like last year, should win the MVP.

If Philly were to take say Zaza Pachulia, Speedy Claxton and Marvin Williams I would be all for the trade for Iverson. That would put Iverson, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Sheldon Williams, Lorenzen Wright with Tyrone Lue, Salim Stoudimire, Josh Childress, Matt Fregie and Solomon Jones as backups. I could live with that.

Why would you make them play the entire year with it if you've already decided to change? Especially if the players are hurting themselves by using it? Because they spent the last few months making the adjustment to the new ball in the first place. So now they have to adjust back to the leather ball and there is going to be another adjustment period, just like there was at the start of the exhibition.

You can't really compare them... When it comes to hooks, Nate Dogg is the GOAT in my opinion. I think Kevin Lyttle is the best along with that guy that did hooks for Shaggy's song "It Wasn't Me". That dude sold Shaggys album that year he won artist of the year. He sold like a billion albums and it was completely because of the singing guy that did that Angel song and It Wasn't me.