Ripper

Season 5 was the one where he made his debut. He was just a bumbling nerd that made a sex doll on first glance. But then you look at some of the things he says, some of the programs and messages that he put in "April" his sex-bot. There was a very dark side to him then. I don't think the producers planned it, but it was definately there in retrospect. I think at the time, it was about what kind of man would it take to do what he did (build the robot and treat it the way that he did). The writing in the show made you feel sorry of a inanimate object. It also drew a obvious line oc comparison to the Buffy/Riley relationship ending. But most importantly, not at the time but in later shows, it established the personality traits of Warren, and showed that his actions and reactions to his crimes in Season 6 were RIGHT with his character.

The difference is that everyone makes a conscious decision to drive in "annyoing" traffic. Hardly anyone invites a telemarketing call. There is more than one solution to traffic congestion, too (i.e. commuter rail, one moving closer to where they work). How else do you propose to curb telemarketing calls (besides your broken-record "Just hang up!!!"). If I don't want to be harassed, I shouldn't be. They have no right to bug me in my own home. Fuck them and their minimum wage jobs. Goddamn you and your "invalidating my comparison with a good point" ass... My overall point is that I don't look forward to the massive job loss that you people seem to be fine with when the alternative is you having to hang up the phone.

So in other words you are doing the greater than less than thing? Good. *walks away whistling happily* *stops and thinks about what he really said* HEY!!!

I just want everyone to watch "I was Made to Love You" and see the seeds of how evil Warren always was. His progression to all out murderer was some INCREDIBLE writing and acting that I think went unnoticed.

He tells them he's the Malcom in the Middle kid but he's in hiding because he accidentally killed a hooker. THey smile and give him a picture out of pure fear....except John Goodman who takes hooker killing very serious and ignored Bob. At least, thats what I heard.

Johnson still adds coherant post to other threads. He just is a ass in NHB, where you should be allowed to be a ass. Let'em be....let'em be.

*comes back and frees the beast on the back of New Me's head*

Are those domestic numbers? And are we ignoring DVD sales(which is fast becoming a bigger take than the movie numbers).

Plenty of tech support centers and other calling-related jobs have moved to India and other countries. Nothing is stopping telemarketers either really. But if we had fair wage systems set up for countries we do business with none of this would be happening and people could work at call centers where customers call them and not the other way around. This is like when San Francisco voted over outlawing panhandling. The homeless, although they don't have much posessions of their own, shouldn't be allowed to just become the newest part of MY business and harass MY customers for their money. Similarly, do I want someone calling my home office line to harass me with their offers. Sure, all you have to do is walk past the homeless bums, but their peeing on the sidewalk isn't pretty and hell, it's my property they're camped out in front of. It doesn't make sense that I don't have the right to have them removed and blacklisted from visiting my establishment. WHICH IS, by the way, something that telemarketers do have individually. All this does is instead of blacklisting one homeless at a time, I can simply stick a "NO PANHANDLING" sign in my window and walk away. Do Not Call lists are perfectly legal, as they've been legally required for years. What's so unconstitutional about a blanket one? Think about it man. TheMikeSC, Marney, and JotW, three posters who barb one another as being misguided/wrong/stupid/etc, are banding together in unison to tell you what you're saying is dumb. When telemarketers start pissing on your carpent then you have a point. I get annoyed with them just as much as the next guy, but I see the bigger picture here and more people out of work is NOT what the country needs. Especially when the greatest harm this industry is causing is making people have to use their arm mucles to pick up the phone and put it back down. I see thousands of people out of work being a greater concern than costing people 2-3 minutes MAYBE a day. 2-3 seconds if people would...here it goes again...HANG UP. There are viable simple solutions that do not include crippling the industry that makes it money. The money saved on advertising cost that pay these people would now be lost, thus the jobs are lost. And all this because people were slightly annoyed. Maybe we should stop car makers from selling anymore cars because traffic is annoying. Yeah, all the auto workers would be out of work and and dealerships, but you wouldn't have to be anymore annoyed than you are now(before you point out it isn't the same thing, the comparison is to the fact that the solution has a greater negative effect than the problem)

What the duece? New ME? Why, I'm going to find something to beat you about the head with. *finds*

Bah...my first one in this thread beats you by a long shot. *takes crown and runs*

Ripper- This may very well be my only vote...FIX!!! FrozenBlockOfPissReborn Kotz The New Me LaParkaYourCar- The Buffy luv was the tie breaker Laz Downhome Youth N Asia- Goddamnit....well...when torn, go with the Buffy fans. Sorry CWM. Zack Malibu

Kel has all the talent. Even when he is acting extremely over the top (ie. the Keenan and Kel show) you could see it.

So...we are suggesting that 50 million + americans don't have a fucked up belief system? Shit, including me, 90% of this board has some real issues.

If somebody name is on the list RIGHT now and they're STILL calling, they CLEARLY are harassing as the person has made it ABUNDANTLY clear that they don't wish to be called. Again, the industry is still all legal, regardless. If an industry cannot survive the victims being given the option of not being involved, then the death of said industry is hardly something to mourn. -=Mike If you think that thousands upon thousand MORE people nation wide being unemployed joining the rest of the unemployed that can't find a job is a GOOD thing to protect people that are too pussy to just hang up the phone and want to bitch about basically nothing, then you have a fucked up belief system. If someone is too stupid to realize that if they put the phone back down the call is over, they aren't worth someone losing their job.

Oh come on, its not like they are calling at 3 am and shit. They are calling, you say NO and hang up immediately instead of trying to argue with them, and you are done. They aren't harassing people, they are annoying people and it is a difference. I equate this to the same as people that bitch about a show having too much violence. You HAVE the option to turn the fucking channel. You can JUST HANG UP. But people are seeing it as a better alternative to basically kill the industry in a already dwindling economy. It is a selfish mindset, and totally unnecessary.

*still waiting*

Or you can always do this. The EXACT same motion that you used to pick up the phone...do it in reverse. And Mike, seriously, who ISN'T going to get on this list. The people that actually do use the services being offered will even get on it just to say "I don't like telemarketors, I should get on the list too." This WILL kill the industry and it WILL lead to mass layoffs of employees. And I don't think that is a reasonable price to pay for costing people the few seconds to hang up or LOOK AT THE FUCKING CALLER ID.

Hate is pretty strong. This one time, I saw hate lift a guy RIGHT over his head without struggling at all. True story. .... Sigh... I've worked alot of hours lately...I can do better than that. Just let me get some rest and I'll be back to normal.

I can understand liking the films, but to call this guy a great director is stretching it alittle. He HONESTLY can't frame a shot, AT ALL. For another exceptional Larry Clark film, check out "I was a Teenaged Caveman" Hilarity will ensue. dude, he has professional people working for him. it's not like his DP is some 15-year-old kid just putting the camera where he's told to. his DP knows what he's doing, everything he shoots is shot that way on purpose. saying you don't like the way he frames a shot is fine, but don't make a blanket claim like "he CAN'T frame a shot." that's just stupid. it's like if we were having a discussion about martin scorsese and you were trying to prove he was a bad director by saying "look, he made 'bloody mama!'" then why do so few people get it right? Come on. I hate people see that a shot is horrible, they just say "He meant it to look like that" If he meant it to look like absolute CRAP then okay. But a REAL director knows how to convey emotion through the shot, the camera movement and such. Clark has used the same crappy style in every film. The "He wants it to have a documentary feel" shit makes no sense for films like Another day in Paradise and I was a Teenage Caveman and barely works for Bully. He uses the most pointless cuts and close ups of anyone that I have ever seen. His work screams "on the fly directing" and I honestly believe he has no idea of what he is trying to do before the scene starts. The most calm camera movement in Bully came when the kids were the most frantic. The most frantic when they were sitting there looking at each other. And if it hadn't been so shittily edited, you could make a case for that having a meaning, but the way it came out, it looked like he shot one day, came back and shot somemore, but forgot what he did the day before. GREAT job. And comparing Clark/I was a Teenage Caveman is not the same as comparing Scorsese/Bloody Mama. Clark RECENTLY shot that film. It is a recent work of his and shows his CURRENT style. Scorsese was on what...film 2-3 when he did Bloody Mama. It makes perfect sense to shoot these movies "documentary style". He wants the audience to feel as if they are IN the movie, which that style works perfectly. You contradict what your saying anyway, because if his movies are sooooo bad, then why are you watching all of them? If you don't like his directing style, fine. Just don't tell other people that it's all crap, because I am definately sure that Larry Clark has more directing experience than you do. Because unlike other people, I don't say something is bad just because. If you have EVER heard me say that a persons music, acting, directing is bad it is because I went through the effort to see their work and can form a opinion on it. I notice how alot of people will call a film the worst one EVER and they never saw it. It just got bad reviews. And are we really falling back on the "You aren't a ________ so you can't say anything"? That is the worst argument ever. I just saw Troll 2...now those people have more acting experience than me but I can safely say that they sucked. I actually am animator and had to take god knows how many classes that teach you film techniques as they are necessary in animation. I might not be a professional director but I know crappy direction when I see it.

I get pissed when I see these actresses that are called hot. It looks like a fucking famine hit Hollywood. I was watching some hollywood show and they were talking about how Salma Hayek could lose 10-20lbs. What in the everloving fuck it going on.

This whole "do not call" list thing is bullshit anyway. Thats right...I'm on their side. So you basically kill off the industry and put hundreds of thousands of people out of work because people are too pussy to HANG UP. Its not hard, you put the phone down and the call is over. "Boo Hoo, the phone rung and it took 8 seconds out of my day....lets put a industry out of work." Half of the people that will get on this list are the exact same people that actually DO buy the stuff that telemarketors are selling.

I can understand liking the films, but to call this guy a great director is stretching it alittle. He HONESTLY can't frame a shot, AT ALL. For another exceptional Larry Clark film, check out "I was a Teenaged Caveman" Hilarity will ensue. dude, he has professional people working for him. it's not like his DP is some 15-year-old kid just putting the camera where he's told to. his DP knows what he's doing, everything he shoots is shot that way on purpose. saying you don't like the way he frames a shot is fine, but don't make a blanket claim like "he CAN'T frame a shot." that's just stupid. it's like if we were having a discussion about martin scorsese and you were trying to prove he was a bad director by saying "look, he made 'bloody mama!'" then why do so few people get it right? Come on. I hate people see that a shot is horrible, they just say "He meant it to look like that" If he meant it to look like absolute CRAP then okay. But a REAL director knows how to convey emotion through the shot, the camera movement and such. Clark has used the same crappy style in every film. The "He wants it to have a documentary feel" shit makes no sense for films like Another day in Paradise and I was a Teenage Caveman and barely works for Bully. He uses the most pointless cuts and close ups of anyone that I have ever seen. His work screams "on the fly directing" and I honestly believe he has no idea of what he is trying to do before the scene starts. The most calm camera movement in Bully came when the kids were the most frantic. The most frantic when they were sitting there looking at each other. And if it hadn't been so shittily edited, you could make a case for that having a meaning, but the way it came out, it looked like he shot one day, came back and shot somemore, but forgot what he did the day before. GREAT job. And comparing Clark/I was a Teenage Caveman is not the same as comparing Scorsese/Bloody Mama. Clark RECENTLY shot that film. It is a recent work of his and shows his CURRENT style. Scorsese was on what...film 2-3 when he did Bloody Mama.

Everyone really makes me laugh when they try to point out flaws in a sport that is minutes upon minutes of chorographed fake fighting. EVERY SINGLE MATCH WILL HAVE FLAWS. Of course, RVD "SUCKS DOOD" so you can call his flaws the reason that the most over guy in the promotion for about 6 months SHOULDN't be in the Main Event scene. I remember the Beniot/RVD match where everyone bitched about RVD not selling the shoulder later in the match, but ignored Beniot forgeting to roll out of the way on a Frog Splash. That's what I am talking about here. Which one really took away from the match more. Which one got bitched about more. RVD performs to the crowd. His matches in Japan were a great show of the Japanese style. When in ECW the point was to get the crowd amped and he did so, while still incorporating some of the best match to match psychology I have seen in a while in the Jerry Lynn series. In the WWE, he wrestled a longer, more kicky punchy(well...fore army) style the is the WWE and got to keep 2-3 of his spots. And he produced some damn fine matches from it. RVD/Jeff Hardy from Invasion featured practically no blown spots. You could see them going out there to pop the crowd and putting so much effort into it. RVD had great matches with a large amount of guys, and good matches with some midcarder. AND he gave Undertaker his best match in YEARS (yes, the match for the Hardcore title is STILL the best match taker has had in at least 3-4 years...better than the angle matches.) And please stop saying that TAKER carried him in that match...thats just reaching. HHH, who you all call a better worker, works a style that is next to impossible to blow spots...and it still happens. It is the nature of the sport. YOUR favorite wrestler blows spots. No more or no less than RVD. But guess which wrestler you are waiting to blow one and which guy you are waiting to ignore the blown spots. I will say this. RVD'S worse matches don't come to near the level of suckiness that the HHH bad matches go to.

This is the same league that threatened to SUSPEND Allen Iverson over a bad rap record. No you can go cheat on your wife and MAYBE rape a girl...but if you put out a record with naughty words, we will SUSPEND YO ASS....Unless you are AGAIN Kobe Bryant...then you can put out a bad rap record with curses on it and a horrible song with Tyra Banks singing...then its all good. So to review... Make a rap record and have cornrows.... BAD Be on trial for rape and put out rap record...Its OOOOKAAAYYYY.