Ripper

Leave him alone. That sounds so tramatic I almost considered killing myself because I felt his pain. And Milky, you would have a point but fact of the matter is, if religion wasn't around people would just kill each other over other shit. Religion just offers a convienant excuse and you have built in followers when you choose what to exploit.

Dear god, are you retarded? I am not saying that Vick did not gamble. I am not saying that he did not kill the goddamn dogs. I am saying that Vick has denied gambling (the words VICK DID NOT GAMBLE appear in the fucking plea bargin. He said he did not recieve any proceeds from winnings, therefore he is DENYING THE HE GAMBLED). The words VICK DID NOT KILL ANY DOGS appear in the plea bargin. The language of the second part is to try and make it seem as though he didn't kill the dogs. He has DENIED killing the fucking dogs. You are right. There is not a grey area. The fucking guy denied that he gambled and killed the fucking dogs. There are roughly 20 articles out there pointing out the language of the plea and pointing out that he is trying to deny gambling and killing the fucking dogs. What you believe to be true or what is true doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is the guy is trying to say he didn't do it. And to say that the reaction to that picture had little to no racial implication...well thats just plain stupid.

Oh comeon. You can't blame Arthur on this. There was no way of knowing that the guy was THAT much of a fucking moron. Unless you mean he was coming out the booth and hitting Vick in the head with a pipe every game and caused the stupidity, you can't really blame him. Well...maybe for firing Dan Reeves...

I don't agree with the people that are saying that he should get the entire 5 years. Thats a little extreme. A good year in prison and another year (at least) from footbal sounds good to me. I personally wouldn't care if he got a lifetime ban, but I would like the precident. Either way, he ain't playing for the Falcons ever again. Welcome back blackouts. Yay.

Exactly. This world would be so much more kickass if you had to really kill someoen instead of just pulling a trigger.

See I will still go with guns.

Arguing about anything on the internet accomplishes nothing. Why should religion be any different?

Race baiting assholes like yourself with a steep inferiority complex makes the rest of us look bad. People like yourself are the reason so many of us are acting like black zombies, but thats for another thread. Michael Vick is a star player. Thats why the multiple felony charges are a big deal in the news. If this was Peyton Manning or Brett Favre it would be just as big of a deal. Like someone else said in the thread, all of his media hype led to the 130 million dollar contract, yeah the same media is bringing him down but Michael Vick screwed Michael Vick That post is about smoking a cigar you fucking illiterate bitch. Not once in the history of forever have I said this wouldn't be big news if it was any other star player. Its a federal investigation. Of course it is going to be a big story. I CLEARLY was talking about the automatic assumption of guilt. Cheech brought up the weed situation and I used it to illustrate a point. Don't bring me in this making Us look bad and so many of US are black zombies. I am not you or one of you, you stupid fuck. If you want to learn your life lessons from a fucking Nas quote, go right ahead, but if you aren't going to take the time to do some simple reading before trying to rail on me, the you can go and fuck right the hell off. As for my BOLDED FALSE STATEMENTS. VICK DID NOT GAMBLE BY PLACING SIDE BETS ON ANY OF THE FIGHTS. VICK DID NOT RECIEVE ANY OF THE PROCEEDS FROM THE PURSES THAT WERE WON BY "BAD NEWZ KENNELS". That is from the plea agreement. You stupid fuck, the article didn't say he did not gamble. Its says vick denied gambling. And there is the line from the statement of facts that said he is denying gambling. What part of that shit is difficult to understand? Obviously I am not the only one that noticed the language of the plea. He obviously is/was still trying to deny killing the dogs and used that language to do so. Once again, its not that hard to understand. Roger Goodell shot down his attempt to say he wasn't gambling(which once again says that Vick was still attempting to deny the gambling), but that doesn't change the fact that he claimed he didn't gamble. And again, not to difficult to understand. I swear to GOD its like a bunch of fucking little girls around here sometimes. THere is no deeper meaning to anything I say. I say exactly what I mean in my post. THere is no digging and no looking for a deeper meaning. If I say "Vick is denying gambling" then I mean that he is denying gambling. Not that I think he didn't gamble, not that I think gambling is cool. What I said is what the fuck I meant.

You are why people hate anti-religious people. Yeah...this lady is completely the norm for religious people. This is what I see every sunday at church.

Their breast. Its not like they are covered in boils or something. You might need to explore your issues with somewhat visable cleavage on a wrestling forum. see there...its okay. you don't know if these are on a hidious chick or a good looking chick. but they are boobs and they are fine. They won't bite.

So do abs, or your fucking arm. Whats you point.

Wait, whoa. If I remember correctly she was actually the cute one. and she showed full pictures all the time. She just always had her breast as her avatar. And that was another case of bitching just to be bitching too. The chick started ONE thread that was there for "ask the chicks" (if I remember correctly, it was mostly her, stardust and TSA there) And then everyone started bitching about what happed to the porn folder because of that ONE thread. Nevermind the thread underneath it was "who does the best anal scenes", nope, lets bitch about he folder that you don't have to go in. Its like when certain posters would bitch about the amount of hip hop threads in the music folder when there were like 2 in comparison to the other 20 rock folders on the first page.

You do realize that a breast isn't a sexual organ right?

Yeah....those two statements are exactly the same. And for the record, it is a big deal and I never said it wasn't. I talked about media portrayal and assumption of guilt. Once again, not seeing what the gripe is. Is my statement false? Either you think Vick is not wrong or you don't think the media is blowing the case up because he is a superstar player with cornrows or bling bling or that he is black or whatever else? Otherwise because I worded the sentences differently, doesn't make them unrelated. The two sentences are not even close to kinda meaning something that could be interpreted as the same thing. And if you would kindly point to a single post where I ever said the media blew this case up, I would appreciate it. Its a big story and it was going to be huge no matter who it was. To think otherwise is plain stupid. I said the initial assumption of guilt and the media reporting it as automatic guilt came from a combination of his look and his contract. I never said anything about it being he was black. And I have never said fucking bling fucking bling. How exactly is your penis the same thing as clevage? I would see if the entire tit was out and you would be closer to making a point, it would have to be her pussy to be the same as that.

Yeah....those two statements are exactly the same. And for the record, it is a big deal and I never said it wasn't. I talked about media portrayal and assumption of guilt.

So now you should admit to not being able to read. I swear to god, this place has some of the most womenly men in the history of the world. Ripper - I think we should wait to hear the whole case to see if he is guilty. bitch ass poster - So now you are saying he is INNNOCENT!!!! OMG WTF!! I have never seen so many people that will make up a statement, attribute it to you then argue with you over the statement they made up you saying. Its like arguing with my girlfriend. Only worse. Because the shit is in writing and they still deny it.

I think it is the goal of alot of people here to assure that no female ever post on this board. Dicks only it appears. Because seriously, if there were a list of people I would start a thread about due to their suckage, Kris would be near the bottom of the list.

You do realize that the plea agreement still says he is denying gambling right? And I don't doubt that he was denying that he killed the dogs too, but probably did to get the plea to be accepted. The reason I would think this is because the plea agreement doesn't say that he killed the dogs, only that the dogs died due to "the collective efforts" of all the defendants. If you look at the other guys statement of facts, they all say what exactly they did (Taylor for instance talks about shooting the dogs. The other two talk specifically about how they specifically killed the dogs). Vicks is rather ambigious and makes me believe that he saying he didn't kill the dogs. And to be specific, their headline was "Vick will not admit to killing or gambling." He still didn't. For him to have been gambling he would have had to collected on winnings. Basically, he is admitting to giving the others money.

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=75250 What exactly was wrong with that thread again?

Maybe he feels that I Know Who Killed Me opened to great reviews.

A question for you law types. Can they use the testimony of a person from another state in a state case. Because that is why they couldn't bring charges in the first place. All of the witnesses were in jail in other states at the time so the state basically had no case whatsoever.

I think the problem that people are forgetting is that some of the things that the last two guys that pled directly contradicts things in the feds original indictment and things in Tony Taylor's(the first guy to plead) statement of facts. Tony Taylor's pretty much was the same as the feds investigation. The other two had differing stories. So either they are goingto have to call into question their initial investigation or the pleas of the last two. This plea bargin goes along with the original indictment that says Vick didn't kill any dogs, didn't personally bet on any of the fights (although one witness did say he went and got the money) but did finance the whole thing. maybe thats all they wanted him for, seeing as in the eyes of the law that is the most serious charge.

If reports are true, Vick will plead guitly to giving them the money but not to killing any dogs and not to betting on the dogs. If that is what his statement of facts say monday, then seroiusly, there is no way they could justify suspending him for more than 4-6 games.

I hate the credit system in this country. Any company at any given time can put whatever bullshit on your credit report, destroying alot of things in your life, and the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that you don't owe them the money. What kind of bullshit is that.