RavishingRickRudo

Anything that doesn't actually have them responding to the actual point.

No, that would be WM XX - and I assume you mean on the board, rather than with the majority of the fans as attendance is still down.

Interesting concept, but I would imagine fighting over who's nipples are larger would be better.

The story doesn't make sense. Benoit wants the WWE Title - always has. Now, out of the blue, what he really wants the World Title. Can't buy it. Benoit on RAW = No Magic whatsover.

Or they could give him a good storyline and a good win that makes sense. *shrugs*

I don't see any reason for the crowd to be disinterested or for them not to listen. It was an important angle which needed clearity; why would they make noise and drowned him out when he's trying to get his intentions across? Benoit didn't take a long time or stumble over words or say anything "bad" (in the context of the "bad" feud, that is), so I don't think the crowd was shitting on it. "Boring" chants, "What" chants, that's a sign of the crowd trying to entertain themselves. I didn't hear that. And it didn't help how they brought him in.

JR and the King putting over Goldberg and Kanes respective "screw-job eliminations" didn't help Benoit's case either.

Of course, you have to take your time when not accomplishing anything.

Yeah, if you're dead and gay. Or have taste.

Catchphrases and cheap pops... what else? Fine line between the crowd being disinterested and the crowd listening. Given the circumstances, I wouldn't count out "crowd listening".

Cept... not hot.

Oh, that's right, RRR is always right. Nevermind Well as long as you came out of this knowing that... That's all that really matters *pats DTHOC on shoulder*

So will the show end up having a contestant win $1,000,000 but then have to pay a shit load of taxes and it's all caught on camera and the contestant gets mad and Regis pops up and says "YOU GOT PUNK'D!" Or how about Fake Contestants used to fool Regis? RRR: Trying to find the "hook".

Who's to say where the titles will lie in the future. For all we know they could carry on till the promotions demise, or they could be merged and recognized as the new 'Undisputed World Champion' with a new lineage. What WWE have you been watching? The WWE that brought in the NWO and they quickly shuffled them aside? The company that did the "Invasion" which could have lasted for years and only really lasted a few months? How about the GM situations? Flair as co-owner? The undisputed title? The IC title? The US title? Are we paying attention here? If not , Benoit is still going to go down as a former world champion. More importantly, years from now we will look back at Benoit headlining the 20th WrestleMania at MSG. Kinda like Yokozuna. *sighs* Esteemed company. Former world champion - that just means so much... to hold the same title that... HHH held. And Goldberg... and HBK. Oh, they've all passed on but you can still hear the whispers of an almost forgotten age of professional wrestling if you listen hard enough.

I want you to tell me specifically when Benoit ever said on WWE TV that he wants the SD! WWE Title and that he could care less for the Raw World Title. Oh, that's right, he never did. How about his matches vs. Angle and Brock? There's no reason for him to want the "World Title"; and if there was, there were 11 joint PPV's since the creation of the World Title for Benoit to state his intentions for the belt. Oh, that's right, he came out on Raw and said he wants the Raw World Title. Which doesn't make sense. I know, that's the whole point. It doesn't match up to what Benoit was wanting last month, or last year. Chrissakes, the angle has barely taken off yet. And already it's foundation is cracked. If we're going to be talking about internal character motivation (i.e. hypothesizing shit that may or may not be true), perhaps Benoit noticed that Trips is getting fat and decided he'd have a better chance facing him than a fucking powerhouse monster who is pretty much unbeatable. May or may not be true? Have you been watching in the last year? Benoit/Angle RR - Benoit said that he wanted to make all of his sacrifices mean something and that by winning the WWE Title he could. He tapped out that night. Benoit/Brock Smackdown, he went so far as to go unconscious and risk permanent injury for *that* title. Clearly, Benoit "learned" from his previous high profile title match and regretted tapping out a year earlier. Benoit has never been one to be fearless and he came at Brock head on - doesn't seem logical for him to be trying to go around him. Benoit wants to be the best? Doesn't make sense for him to go to RAW then. There, logic. Where? *looks* *looks hard* *looks REEEEAL hard* Where? We haven't seen yet what Benoit's motivation is for going to Raw. Granted, if he isn't given a motivation, I can see calling bullshit on this angle. Hell, I'd begin to agree with you then. He said he wants to be the best. Somehow, that involves not going after the guy whom he couldn't take the title from... or the guy who beat him at RR03. Or the guy who beat him at Vengeance 03 for the US title. So even though he as unfinished business (under the premise of "being the best"), he still moves to RAW where, the "best" isn't even defined. And somehow, the World Title represents "the best" despite being 1 1/2 years old and only being held by 3 men; rather than a title with... hmm... 30 ??? years of history and legends such as Hogan, Hart, Savage, Flair, etc. behind it and an actual lineage... But they cannot cram all that into one show. You can't surmise that this whole thing is shit before it's even close to ending, because then your opinions aren't based on fact, they're based on fuck all. Sure I can. I look at what it's based on -a lie- and everything after it will be trying to make that lie as truthful as possible. See, "piece of shit"/"ribbon". Yes, it's dark and warm and moist. It's better than being so high up on my pedestal that my brain is dying due to lack of oxygen. Oh yes, this pedestal onwhich I stand is soooo high. Look at me, with my desire for logical storylines, I stand so high above you all that I can barely see you so way down low. Hey, it's cheap, but I could have said "it's dark and warm and moist...JUST LIKE YO MAMA'S PUSSY, BIATCH~!" There ya go again, always comparing to something lesser. You gotta raise those standards. I await your vitriolic, rambling, asinine, sarcastic, and oh-so-witty reply. Be sure to make fun of me a lot, it makes you smarter, or something. And yet I am the one sitting on a pedestal. *cough* I'm so glad you don't lower yourself to doing things like that.. *looks back at thread* again, me and my pedestal... just me... yep.

I would imagine Angle asked Benoit to use the spot and Benoit Ok'd it. Angle doesn't seem like the sort to just disrespect someone - he's a WWE boy; they get taught those sort of things. As for Angle being unoriginal, some of his counters are unique as is the Angle slam... that's about it for originality points.

Well, they're trying him as a face now. Totally different scenario.

But he pulled off an omoplata... so really... it's all ok. Even if the crowd sorta looked at him like a joke.

Oh, you don't have to do that for me to shit my pants. ::Rrroaw:: ... good lord.

And also, if Benoit does win the World Title at 'Mania, it won't be some ridiculous footnote in WWE history as you would have us believe, Rudo. The mere fact that it will be at Wrestlemania XX guarantees that. It doesn't matter if it's a transitional reign, it doesn't matter if the World Title gets re-merged with the WWE Title - it will still be remembered as a wonderful moment due to its historical significance alone. Being remembered as a World Champion is the best gift I can think of to give to a guy like Chris Benoit, and I'm sure it would/will mean the world to him Wow, you totally missed the point; that's so cute. Benoit's name won't be up there with the greats. Not with Hogan, not with Flair, not with Hart. He won't be "WWE Champion" in the record books. He'll be that "other" title.

Some people will just never be happy. Rudo, for example. I was happy after Benoit/Brock. Hell, I enjoyed Foleys promo a lot tonight. See, I have this thing... it's a strange thing - maybe foreign to the likes of you - it's called "standards". It's not really a high standard, I want things to make sense. What Foley said, it made sense. Brock vs. Benoit, it made sense. And hopefully, maybe if it's not too much trouble, for things to be smartly written. That last part is more of a pipedream, but you know... still reachin for the stars. How's the bottom treating ya? Warm? Moist? Dark? It's good for you to be in the dark - you seem to like it. Can't see all those nasty things like logic and potential. No matter how well-booked or how perfect this ends up being, he'll be there with some stupid, biased, inconsequential argument as to why it isn't the greatest angle of all-time and, therefore, it is a total failure. And he's the type of prick that's always there when things don't work out perfectly to say, "I told you so." C'mon, gimmie a lil credit here, I wouldn't be so blunt with my gloating. I like to hide it. Shhh... I don't see how the actual title that Benoit somehow now wants despite never once wanting it before, is "inconsequencial", or "stupid". Well, sorry Rudo, sorry for suspending disbelief after that amazing moment last night. Sorry for having some hope, but it isn't going away. I still don't really think Benoit is going to win at 'Mania, but I'm willing to pump myself up in case it happens, because I am a fan of professional wrestling. It would be shit if everything I want to happen did indeed happen, because it would take out the suspense, the intrigue, the beauty, and the sheer fun of the sport. Why are you saying sorry to me? If I forgive you, somehow I don't think it will mean as much. Oh, *I'm* sorry, was that another smart-ass answer? If you're a fan of professional wrestling... oh, nevermind. Bottom line is this: I don't remember anyone ever saying for years and years that they want Benoit to win the WWE Title from Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania XX. What I do remember from the past few years is nearly everyone saying that they want to see Benoit get the recognition he deserves by competing for and winning a World Championship in the WWE. Yes, that most certainly excuses them for booking a storyline that doesn't make sense or follow the internal logic of Benoit's character. And it's getting closer and closer to becoming a reality, and you have nothing but venom for it. Just like you always have for just about everything WWE. Well yeah, see, they hate their fans. The give us illogical storylines, plotholes, they drop stuff without any explanation. They have nothing but venom for us as well. If they didn't, I wouldn't. But this is MY fault, I'm sorry.

Foley said it best tonight: If you tell a big enough lie long enough, people will start to believe it. That's why. Unfortunately, for me, I can't believe that.

And, realistically, how long do you think that belt will exist for? 1 more year? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? How long until they once again merge it with the WWE title (they sure as shit won't be using the Big Gold Belt as to represent the true blue WWE heavyweight title). And, with all due respect, please don't hand me that shit that he can "help the image" of the RAW title. Do you want a history lesson with everyone not named HHH who held it and how they helped the image (has HHH helped it either?) ? Or, should I say, did dicknothing with or to it. It's a nice theory, what with this uber-worker getting rewarded after his long time suffering; but he's getting rewarded with nothing. He's getting STUCK with something. It's a mere convenience. If they actually wanted to reward him - if they truly wanted to - they would keep him on the right course. Shit, I bet they think they're doing something good for a charity case in Benoit - it's all hollow. "Well, I won't him wearing the real belt, so let's just give him that other thing and he'll be happy with it - shit, all of his fans are." When we look back 20 years from now on the history of the WWE title, there won't be Benoit's name there. It will be in a very small, very irrelevant, part in the WWE section called "World Title" (2002 - 2006) with, if he's lucky, an asterix by the real belt. That will be his place in history. Well golly, thankya Vince. - I posted this earlier today at another board, a lot of it is relevant to the current discussion, and a lot of it will cover what you would have said later on.

Tell me, which title did Benoit pass-out for?

Relating that analogy back to wrestling, then yes, Benoit, a mid card wrestler his entire career , going to WrestleMania to wrestle in the main event for the title be the would be the best scenario. Against HHH, for the World title, is NOT the best scenario. Think a lil harder Bacon. Maybe you'll move off the paper this time. That's the thoughtless, typically-macho, smart-ass answer I expected. Then why did you ask? Or better yet, why didn't you respond? Unfortunately. YOU aren't capable of better, because YOU don't own the WWE. The WWE is capable of better. MUCH better. But it's interesting that you compare what they do with what I don't do, rather than what they could do - nice standards. I'm impressed. So you should settle for what they're giving us, because what they are giving us is something we've asked for since Benoit arrived, and it is good, regardless of how you want to spin it. How is it "good"? How is Benoit - someone who has been spending 4 years for the *WWE* Title - wanting to compete for the "World" title GOOD? It doesn't even make sense. Oh, there I go again wanting cavier or something... But you won't, because you are, of course, you. A pessimistic, arrogant crybaby. And you're a fucking bottom feeder. Content with any scraps Vince McMahon gives you. Why should they bother to improve, to better themselves, to try and put out the best product possible, when there's people like you who will eat their shit as long as it has a ribbon tied around it. People like you, who are ignorant. So enjoy it, eat it up, cause when the day the fantasy is over and you realize that Benoit has been buried and is labelled as a "failure" as champion and all the dumbasses are saying "I told you so", the savoury goodness will turn sour and all you'll be able to do with the minutiae of brainmatter you have is wonder "why?" Pessimistic? Why shouldn't I be?