RavishingRickRudo

I'm way too fucking optimistic. I "officially" declared Jericho's chances of main eventing effectively again dead at Mania 19 - that's why I reference it. Before that, there was a slight chance; now there is none.

Like any show, being FAMILIAR and having a CONNECTION with a wrestler is very important. It allows you to invest your time into watching them develop. Sooner down the line, you may get attached to other wrestlers and when that first wrestler is gone, you still have others to be drawn to. I didn't watch Firefly in its initial run because I didn't know any of the actors involved. Then I watched Buffy and Angel and Nathan Fillion and Gina Torres became my "in". I watched the show for them, I got attached to it. They were the "Draw" for the show.

A World title should not be revered based on it's 'classic match' status . If that were the case, the WCW Cruiserweight title would have be the most prestigious title in the company in 96/97. There are several elements which "makes" a title, relating it to great matches is one of them. I don't like the way the New World Title has been handled since it's inception either, but it is a testament to the most 'dominant' wrestler, as being held by the #1 guy in the company (or in this case , brand). Who won't even be positioned as such. Not to mention wasn't a #1 guy (or 2, or 3) on the other brand. Benoit wants to win the *the big one*. The RAW title is the other big one on the other brand. By winning it, his story book dream of being *a* world champion will have been fulfilled. Royal Rumble 2003. He wanted Angles belt. Smackdown 01, he wanted Austins belt. Fully Loaded 00, he wanted Rocks belt. All have the same lineage of Lesnars belt. THAT'S the belt he wants. THAT is what he related his "dreams" to. Distinction of disbelief is an important part of the professional wrestling. Being able to seperate oneself from the fickle 'smark' perception of such things helps to view the RAW World Title with a bit more validity. Even if I wasn't on-line I'd still see that title as the WCW title. I was pretty fickle as a "mark", so maybe I'm not the right guy to say that to.

I've said that I think Cena will win the Rumble so that HHH will bury him at Mania - it doesn't mean I can't discuss and dislike the idea of Benoit winning it. Fans don't pay for anyone nowadays, so what does drawing have to do with it? If anything, just TRYING something new is worth it. "He'll recover from it" is such BULLSHIT. Wrestlers have only so many chances - some have a lot, some have very little. The more times it happens, the less likely it will be that they will recover. At Benoits age and at his physical state, there's not many more chances left. So fuck that. Jericho will never be a serious main eventer again. That died at WM 19.

No, Benoit would be holding HHH's belt. The title that was handed to him. The title that -according to you- was created 1 1/2 years ago. A "new" title. The title which has been attached to such epic matches such as HHH vs. Steiner and HHH vs. Nash and HHH vs. Goldberg! The title that Benoit doesn't want. That Benoit has never wanted. The title that has done nothing for anyone who has held it... Other than remind people that HHH really wants to be Ric Flair.

Actually, to Vince, wouldn't it be more brilliant for Shawn to beat Benoit?

Yeah, the only place WC trumps it is on the post closings and hypocrisy.

No man, by your justification Benoit 'vacacted' the old WCW title for what it stood for at the time (nothing) and basically out of the shitty state of the company No, my "storyline" justification for Benoit leaving WCW and the WCW belt was because he wanted to go to the WWE for a chance at the WWE World Title (and for his friends and family - sacrifices being the key factor in Benoits character and motivation). Those sacrifices should have the right pay off. It should be for the right belt. Not for the HHH Memorial Masturbatory Title.

No, then I wouldn't give it any value at all. Just like I would for any poorly booked title. But it's the old WCW belt - fuck subtle changes because as fans, we won't see those changes and it looks exactly the same (cept its molded to HHH's waist) as it did in WCW on TV. I look at it, I think WCW. I think it's safe to say that the majority of fans out there think the same thing. It will take YEARS for that belt to become more associated with RAW than WCW, and by the time it does, they'll have merged the titles anyways.

For some reason that doesn't make the 999 other reasons why Benoit-on-Raw-Sucks better.

Sapp offered Bynes a chance to touch his head... she jumped back at the sight of it. I swear to god that couldn't have been more like my dreams.

C-bacon, you're being sarcastic right? I mean, it's funny if you are - really, really funny. But if you're not, quit being a fucking moron.

Benoit coming to Raw wont be like Hardy's move because Hardy is nowhere near Benoit-[Thats what I'd like to think, but the way it works Benoit will probably lose to Hardy in his first match after arriving] Hardy had an "in" for RAW and they botched it on the first night. It was an obvious angle, it had heat, and they screwed up on the first night. Has raw booking changed since... last month? Are their writers any brighter? Do they know how to handle an actual "wrestler"??? At least one good thing that could happen some where down the road, is an all Canadian Stable to feud against Evolution. Maybe-Benoit, Jericho, Christian, Sean Morley, Lance Storm. *Remembers last "Canadian" stable* *shudders* Maybe if William Regal makes his comeback to RAW we might see Regal-Benoit II on PPV...........Nah wont happen. And even if it did, it would suck. Perhaps after Benoit becomes the Champion we'll see the first Jericho-Benoit feud at World Championship level..........Nah wont happen either. Sure it will happen... why not? It'll be overshadowned by a McMahon or HHH match, or maybe Taker, and then they'll get buried down the card once the belt is taken off either of them and will be declared failures and that "no one wants to watch that wrestling crap", but it'll happen... yaaay. For some reason I can accept Benoit-HHH. Its better then Benoit and A-Train or Benoit and FBI or even Benoit and O'Haire. For some reason, I am seeing Benoit and Mark Henry or Benoit and Maven or Benoit and Test or Benoit and Steiner. That'll have you wishing for Benoit and A-train. Just like Benoit and HHH will have you wishing for Benoit and Brock. I can't accept that. It's not fair. It's not fair for Benoit. It's not fair for me. It's not fair for anyone who believes that this man represents something that is actually good in professional wrestling and should be rewarded for it. It's not fair for anyone who has spent years following him, cheering for him, and hoping that one day something good and right happens to him.

I was thinking more along the lines of Benoit jumping to Raw and immediately going after Triple H(assuming he has the World Title) or whomever may be the World Champ. Hardy can bump like a madman and would help put Benoit over as a man on a mission dispatching any and all foes in order to obtain that goal. Kinda like what Goldberg did... this past Monday. Nothing better than sloppy seconds. And Benoit would end up giving him WAY more offense than Goldie did. Benoit can help elevate Booker as a threat while at the same time pushing himself as a take no prisoners fighter. Booker stopped being a threat after he lost at Mania 19 and accepted the IC title as his fate. That was his shot, that was his big story, and he failed. He'd just drag Benoit down with him. Probably but there's always a chance no matter how small that Goldberg could stay. I no longer take anything as absolute with Vince. But Goldberg hates working there. Vince doesn't and will never "get" Goldberg. They had their chance with Goldberg, they failed. He's as good as gone. Could be a great #1 Contendor's type match if given the right hype Sure, Benoit is Bret Hart part 2... in every way possible. The only positive is him beating the shit out of Shawn. Hey, at least him and Jericho have another thing to talk about backstage... Knowing Benoit I think he could mesh well with Flair by going the Triple H route and playing to Flair's strengths. Also Flair will no doubt bump like a freak to put Benoit over(Just curious, were they close at all in WCW during the Horsemen period?) because Flair's unselfish unlike Trips. Flair is insane. Benoit is insane. Benoit's insanity at least offers something good. It would be a horrible match. Flair would do his stuff, Benoit would do his, and the only highspot would be the chop-fest. The fans still buy RVD as somewhat credible and Benoit can manage to get himself a little more over by showing that he has what it takes to go toe to toe with RVD and come out on top. Besides RVD will always be over so the fans seeing Benoit win couldn't hurt RVD much and would give Benoit a bit more legitimacy in the eyes of the fans. Because that's what everyone who beats RVD gets... legitimacy... RVD is not the gate keeper to the WWE Title, he's the gate keeper to the IC title... that's a step below what Benoit wants. This is the problem with RAW - there's no uppercarders - just "HHH" and "Everyone else" - which is the whole point in bringing Benoit over. And if memory serves, Benoit and Cena are both still fairly over correct? If memory serves, Benoit went into a 6 month depression on the card after that match. Orton will remain the heatless machine but if Orton is Triple H's protoge and Benoit manages to pull out a win(however slim the odds) then that gives the fans the feeling that if Benoit can beat a guy who's pretty much squashing the roster right now, he could easily take on Triple H. So what you're saying is that Benoit will basically do what everyone does - beat up a cronie to make it seem like they can take the title. I love it. It reeks of, whats that called? Ass. I'll give you this as well although there is the chance that Eddie could be feuding with Brock at this point or that the Benoit/Brock feud would stretch to Summerslam(If Benoit remains on Smackdown) Eddie vs. Brock is a huge no-no, not at this time. Size-wise, it's not believable. Eddie needs some transition time in the main event and uppercard to take on Brock. I'll give you this although Benoit could still be seen as a transitional champion after the Angle win depending on who he would feud with It takes about 3 successful "big" title defenses to make a champion. Jericho could have had that vs. HHH at Mania 18. Benoit beats brock, beats Angle, beats Eddie, and then say, beats Brock again (or Taker, or whomever). That's a successful run. Of course, they'll cut it off at 2... if we're "lucky". I can't see Vince pushing Rey into a WWE Title match even with the lack of a true size difference. I think guys like A-Train(Storied past with Benoit), Undertaker and the others in the main event would get their chances first. Yes, but at least on Smackdown you have that possibility. That would mean good matches. Benoit vs. Rey, Benoit vs. Dragon, Benoit vs. Noble. There isnt the possibility of Benoit facing the women... and if he did, those matches would suck. They'd have to dress Finlay up in a dress and wig and have him and Benoit stiff the shit out of each other to make a good match between Benoit and a woman. True though Eddie's feud with Chavo/Angle could continue past Wrestlemania depending on when their next PPV is after Royal Rumble. Is the February PPV Smackdown's? If so then I'll give you this but if not then I'd expect it to end in April. I'd see no reason for Eddie and Angle to go beyond 1 match considering their "rivalry"/relationshi[ has started already. He may not have a history but that doesn't mean he wouldn't want it. Why would he want it? He's been focused on the WWE title. Been so for a long time now. Him going after that title would mean he has accepted that he'll never win the WWE title. That's not right. Also it may not be wise to say what he would/wouldn't want because a World Title is a World Title regardless of the lineage. Also the Raw Title has been fairly respectable lately with HBK & Goldberg as the Champions so Benoit could probably help the prestige even more. HBK and Goldberg having horrible runs... I'd say it's wise to say Benoit wouldn't want the title since he has never made ANY intention for wanting it since it's supposed existence. "Uh yeah, even though I said I wanted the WWE title... secretly, in my heart, I really wanted the World Title... when I said it was my dream to win the WWE title, that was a lie, it was my dream as a little boy to win the world title... even if it didn't exist until I was well into my 30's...

*Sigh* This is a discussion board. Whether this card is "real" or not is irrelevant, discussing the possibility of the card is still valid - because we're smarks and that's what we do. If all we did was talk about what actually happened this place would have far less posts and would be far less interesting.

That's a personal matter, it's certainly an important part of the fight - but I'd feel a lil seedy mentioning it.

Cena pumping up his shoes on the top rope was the highlight of the show. And maybe Billy Gunn.... he's such a bad actor, that it makes his current character kinda funny.

I was surprised it did so poor internationally.

I was hoping Bob Sapp would stare at Amanda with lust in his eyes - the lust of a big black man who could split her in two - and she runs away screaming... then he looks at Enrique, and Enrique is petrified... then he looks at Jimmy and Jimmys like "oh, you betta not be thinkin what I think you thinkin bobby"

But the Rock would slice Hogan up... "Ah. . . he had to split"

But it's not only "who would win and why" the title of the thread gives the impression that the match was announced and you click for details. Fucking annoying as hell. I barely go there any more. When I used to post there, it went way too quickly and if I posted on Monday, on Tuesday it would be on page 3. With that many people, it's really hard to keep together a discussion. Besides, a lot of posters subscribe to the "whatever newb" line of thinking. Whenver I do go there, it's very superficial and more directed towards the Ask the Fighters Section. http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.p...&threadid=82992 < Josh Barnett thread.

For the love of god, just have Benoit put over Mae Young and bury him. A quick death is the best we can hope for...

The morgan freeman character dies mid-film, and doesn't do a lot. He'd just be a nice sympathetic character who - when he dies - makes the villains seem all that more nasty.

Benoit vs Hardy Hardy is main eventing heat... explain how that's good for Benoit? Benoit vs Booker T. Poor match last time they wrestled Benoit vs Jericho Done to death, besides last time we saw them they were buddy-buddy. Benoit vs Goldberg (You know this'll happen sometime if Benoit jumps) Goldberg will be gone after Mania Benoit vs Shawn Michaels the only good match availible Benoit vs Flair(Could happen if Benoit instantly feuds with Trips/Evolution) and it will suck and end up burying Benoit more than if they never fought in the first place Benoit vs RVD Yeah, that's exactly what Benoit needs... to be hanging around with all the other failures Benoit vs Orton YIPPEE, Dream match! He'll job to Orton like he jobbed to Cena. Granted, Benoit may job to Trips(Unless Trips pushes Orton to feud with) however if Benoit were to win the World Title on Smackdown who could he feud with? Brock Lesnar? Okay, then who? Guerrero is quite possible after mania. It's makes Eddie a likely contender since their last high profile match and Eddie going over, and the size different will be negligible. Hopefully, given that prominent spot on the card, they'll pull out something better than their last two lacklustre matches. Kurt Angle's been seen numerous times. Yes, but Angle has the upper-hand on Benoit given the result of their rumble match. It would help put Benoit over as champion if he were to beat Angle (since many would assume Benoit would be a transitional champion) Rey Mysterio won't be pushed by Vince that high nor any of the other cruiserweights. True, but with Benoit as champion on Smackdown, the size difference won't be as apparent and it could allow for cross-overs. He could feud with Eddie but that's doubtful as Eddie will likely be busy with Chavo and/or Angle depending on where that angle's headed. Eddie vs. Angle could very-well end at Mania... which is assumingly where Benoit would win the title. Besides as others have said, Trips will be busy filming giving Benoit a dare I say, easier path to being the World Champ. Yes, an easier path to a title he doesn't want nor has a history with.

My Dream Running Man Ben Richards = The Rock (Arnold Schwarzenegger) Amber Mendez = J-Lo (Maria Conchita Alonso) Damon Killian = Regis (Richard Dawson) Laughlin = Morgan Freeman (Yaphet Kotto) Fireball = Avery Brooks (Jim Brown) Captain Freedom = Arnold Somethingorother (Jesse Ventura) Dynamo = Meatloaf (Erland Van Lidth) Weiss = Bob Sapp (Marvin J. McIntyre) Buzzsaw = Hulk Hogan (Gus Rethwisch) Subzero = JOE SON!!!!! (Professor Toru Tanaka)