RavishingRickRudo

*Vomits*

How about Die Hard: Resurrection, where super-cop John McClane is cloned 300 years by scientists wishing to bring back super-villain HANS GRUBER. (You see, McClaine had the most contact with the Gruber family and, um, got their -er- DNA fused with his at some point or another in Die Hard 1.) Which leads John to question his own mortality AND sanity when a rogue group of bandits try and steal...something... from the spaceship which Dan Hedaya captains... but everything get's fucked up when an army of Hans Grubers get's loose and takes over the ship.

Maybe Brady and Edwards should do a show together. *Edwards is talking to a crying mother lamenting about her dead son* "He's here, he's in this room, he says something about a red hat... a hat... something red... anything about a red hat? Red? Hat?" "Yes, yes, my son wore a hat... once... yes, and he had a red sweater - he loved that sweater." "That's what I'm getting, definitely... he's here, and he wants to say..." *Wayne Brady comes out in a Red Hat, acting like James Brown* "And am he-ah, on the flo-ah, with a red hat-ah, sex machine!" *Mother faints* .... or maybe a buddy cop show?

Don't forget, the announcers generally have to be "pretty" - because there's always that lil box on the bottom of the screen with the announcer's face calling the match.

Of course, I would have blown this thing off already on Smackdown... but thats me. You're back on the team!

They've taken the focus off of Holly's revenge and made it the basic "He's after your belt Brock" face chase. Hardcore shouldn't care about winning and losing, just revenge. (Survivor Series, his DQ against the Big Show)

He doesn't wrestle a dangerous style? Do you WATCH his matches?

Smackdown is usually always better than the spoilers sound... doesn't make it good, but it tends to be better than people going into it think. .... of course, I didn't watch it. Better beware Goodear, a few more outburts and you'll be off my writing team

If this doesn't lead to them lowering the price for PPV's, I don't see a legitimate reason to do this.

I wonder what would happen if they paired Torrie Wilson with Randy Orton... ?

This angle is so brilliant it's braille-iant; which means even blind people can see how fucking great it is!

Whatta pile of crap. And the DVD sucks too.

You know what... This is brilliant. They are giving Noble/Nidia a WM 7 themed storyline! They've taken the blindness of Roberts/Martel, the tattered love affair of Savage/Liz/Sherri (hell, Nidia is even channelling Sherri!), the oppressiveness of Virgil/Dibiase, the Japanese influence of Tenryu/Kitao, and the Mexicaness of Tito Santana with Rey! Hell, they're even using the FULL NELSON with Bob Holly! The Bondage of Demolition with the Bashams! The American Hero going over to the Troops in KURT ANGLE! The shitty big man that combines the height of the Undertaker, the weight of Earthquake, and the haircut of the big bossman to form the ULTIMATE HOSS in the BIG SHOW! I think I'm on to something here.

But most TV shows aren't produced live weekly in front of a incredibly huge studio audience. 1. That's just Raw. 2. This audience doesn't exactly have the highest standards. 3. The size of the audience is more relevant to the performers, not writers. Taking 'Buffy' as an example because of the similar nature of serialized storylines, Joss had the time to basically re-write every script that came his way and still was under a time crunch each and every season despite doing 22 hours of programming a season. But let's be fair, Joss had more pressure to produce than Vince from the networks. PLUS Joss has a standard to live up to as well as creating and developing a show for pretty hardcore fans - Vince would go out of his mind trying to appeal to the hardcore wrestling fan and raising his game to "that" level. A WWE writer simply doesn't have the time to do that amount of editing since he produces the same amount of material in something like 5 weeks. I can't really understand that. Really, what they're "editing" is like 3-10 minutes per wrestler - right? They have at least 5 days to do that. And they won't be doing all wrestlers, either. NOT TO MENTION, a lot of the dialogue is left to the wrestlers themselves and 40 minutes of the show is in-ring. I mean, shit, we wrote countless storylines based on a wrestlers last name that showed more creativity and effort than what the WWE does, and that was done in what, 2 hours? I don't buy it. They should be producing better shows - they're "professional" writers, yet they're putting out an amateur product. Plus his work is thrown on television live weekly and is widely dependant on the ability (and health) of wrestlers to carry the ball on the first take. True, but that's, again, more pressure on the wrestlers. And, again, it's not like they're pressured to write compelling, thought-provoking television... and even then, they can't get the "simple" stuff right. So yes, more crappy writing gets produced in WWE and Soap Operas than on Fraiser. But the two 'fastfood' choices are working so fast that they are producing 10 times as much stuff. The WWE isn't even producing "fastfood" level quality, though. Not even close. And even then, I know that producing storylines for long periods for many guys is a bit tough - I'm not really debating that - I'm saying that "the pressure" isn't so much from the workload as it is on the environment. Writers who continue to get their ideas ignored or butchered or used-but-not-to-the-full-effect or rejected for something much worse - they are not being rewarded for their work and it's a seemingly thank-less job . These "hollywood" writers have to know something about continuity and "good" story's so they can't totally be at fault - the process is. So when you're producing "as much TV as they do" and travelling and whatnot, and not getting the sense of gratification, that must really piss you off.

I could see that happening.

Well, WM 20 is going to make _A LOT_ more money than RAW X; therefore the amount Vince will be willing to invest in WM is a lot more than RAW X. So he'll be paying a lil extra more to bring in Mae Young - first class all the way.

*Gives LOTC $20* Damn, I thought it would have happened much later.

Or they just see the word "Buffy" and expect it to be a comedy... Joss has highlighted this in his commentaries where some executives "got" it, while other's didn't. Fox was expecting one thing and he gave them another; they couldn't get behind it.

I can't imagine that writing for regular television is as bad as it is in the WWE (creatively, not in terms of # of shows) - because I haven't seen a show with as bad of writing as the WWE. I also can't imagine any educated writer saying "Sure, let's just drop this storyline" or "Who cares if it doesn't make sense".

I'd say it would be more stressful with it's restrictive environment - as in, "Here's a great idea" *talks about great idea* "wow, that's really great... now let's ignore that and do something stupid with me" - Writer talking to Steph. Hard work with great reward and appreciation is worth it - Hard work with no reward and little value in the company probably isn't.

But Taker hasn't reverted to "Mark Calloway" as Sean did with Chief Morley. Plus, "Taker" is often the exception to the rule. The name itself "Val Venis" is restricting, and the only reason they aren't playing up the schtick is because they simply aren't pushing him.

I liked the gimmick, I liked the look he had for it, it didn't really work the way I would have liked.

Funny, I suggested the team of Holly and Val in 02 Whenever his name is "Val" he's doing the porn star gimmick.

Don't diss Kama The Supreme Fighting Machine... Val has a good look, good promo, good wrestling skills - of course, you could fill in "good" with "basic", but that's besides the point, since "basic" has gotten some people pretty far. He had upward potential but couldn't break-away from the "Val Venis" name (literally!). World Champ? No. World Champ contender? Sure. I'm not saying anyone "would" be anything; "could", on the otherhand, is possible - unless they're saddled by/with a gimmick.

I'd take a dozen people from this board over both hollywood writers and wrestling writers.