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They would have to edit out the "This is the Slicksta talkin" line - or else, call Teddy Long "Slick"... I think they should just rehire Oscar and he can rap them in... it's only a matter of time before mid-90's hip hop comes back in style... Whamp! There it is!

It's a double-leg takedown by Henderson, with Newton securing a front-face lock. Wrestlers usually twist their hips (and therefore their opponent) when moving in for a shoot so they can get side-mount - Henderson over-rotated and spun, Newton held on. Note Dave Meltzer at ring side in the white shirt You can find a Dan Henderson highlight video on Kazaa that features the move (It's actually a really good video - Henderson always manages to deliver.).

I grew up as a wrestling fan... so... yeah.

I'll watch the match again tomorrow and point out all the specifics. But Tim, "just because Misawa did it", doesn't make it right. Let the match stand on it's own. The headlock went nowhere. It meant nothing. It was just a means of delaying time. And I've had a knee injury (Hockey, knee on knee). It hurts like a motherfucker. I tried to stay in the game, but I couldn't. Adrenaline or not. I couldn't put weight on it for a week. It still hurts today depending on how I sit. So forgive me for being skeptical that a guy who had his knee worked on probably a lot harder than my knee-on-knee can be fucking superman when he chooses.

But you got in first... ....*curses The Baron*

I would prefer it if you responded in the thread above, seeing as how that was on topic - no need to drag it out here

I did: http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...7&t=40517&st=60

In one hour we managed to stretch out about 3-4 months worth of material.

Tim, I'm still waiting for you to walk me through Dragon/London 2/3 falls - I feel so lonely in the dark here. Trolling is defined as the consistent posting of useless material with the intention of getting off-topic and specifically eliciting and inciting undesirable responses from users reading the thread. 1. I'm hardly consistent. I try to stay out of the Roh threads as much as possible - this one caught my interest because Corino talked about it in his column recently and how he wasn't sure he was going to do it. 2. I don't think it's useless because "ROH is a sport... not sports entertainment" yet I would classify this in the "freak show" catagory. Oh I forgot, "We're not sports entertainment... except for when we do this, this, and this... but we are not sports entertainment... that WWE is so horrible; we're real wrestling, we're a sport... 3. It's not "off topic" as it is "on" the topic of a barbedwire match in ROH, it's just not about the Corino/Homicide feud. I think both discussions can take place in here. 4. My comment was no different than ones you'd find in the WWE folder. I don't know why ROH can't be mocked in the same way... ... is that the response you were waiting for. And OSI, here's what I would rather have them do. Pull the match. ... then put it on again. Then it would actually seem like they have hesitated, that they don't really want to put on the match because it's too dangerous - but they have to. "Show, don't tell".

I'm giving credit to Steph being off TV

Wrong thread ASlay. You could take a dozen people from this board, give them a week to think about storylines, and they'd give at least a years worth that would be 100x's better than what the WWE would think of in 52 weeks.

It did around the same buyrate as HHH/Rock Judgement day. It did higher than HHH/Austin SurSeries. It also did considerably better than the previous years Fully Loaded which featured Austin/Taker and HHH/Rock. The 4 way at Unforgiven was the 3rd Highest PPV of the year behind WM and RR. Again, I am not saying that Benoit is a draw, but he doesn't detract at all.

Whoops... ... that's what 2hrs of sleep will do.

Nope, and I expect these fine folks will be shown the door as well.

You're right... ... It is hypocritical.

LOL @ "Normally ROH would never promote... but..."

Cena's run last time was as a heel and heel runs are always less succesful than face runs. Benoit's first ME was as a heel. He held up pretty well. Benoit extends his hand to Cena to show him what matters is the victory, Cena responds by pretty much saying your right, but I'm still gonna do whatever the hell I want. No, it says that Benoit has seen the error of his ways and wants to shake Cena's hand to make up for it. Cena then spits in his face with the FU making Benoit look like a total bitch in the process. It puts Cena over as unpredictable and the only way it harms Benoit is if he's not strong enough to sell someones finisher, which I'm sure he is. And there are no other way to establish Cena as being "unpredictable" or "never changing his spots" - it must result in Benoit being a patsy. And you said it best, Punks him out, not beats him clean in a match, not relentlessly beats the shit out of him, punks him out, which is Cena. It's not a declaraction he can beat Benoit, it's a declaration you don't know what I'm gonna do so don't act like you do. And it also says that Benoit can be punked with no retribution. If that happened and Benoit didn't immediately beat the shit out of him, he'd be a total fucking pussy... but then there'd be people complaining about Tyrannical Benoit getting his heat back. Benoit got laid out in the middle of the ring at the end of the show - the last image in the publics head about would have been that. That's worse than getting pinned. It pushes Cena's character, and unless Benoit's character is the un-one-uppable man, I think he's just fine. But you think getting laid out in the middle of the ring by the man whose hand you wanted to shake wouldn't have hurt Benoit... Your acting as if Benoit isn't strong enough to take something like that and not be harmed by it. Last time I checked Benoits appeal didn't come from being untouchable. I think going into a World Title feud (even on house shows), Benoit needs all the strength and credibility he can muster. And it works fine, who has Cena been fueding with Angle? Atrain? Brock? Do these names sound familiar? Cena's right on Benoit's level, just on the other side of the win/loss column. It's not as if interaction between the two is a contrast in level. Actually it would have placed Cena *above* Benoit, since he's the guy who (a)Got the win, (b)Proved Benoit wrong, and ©Beat Benoits ass in the ring... but it never really would have hurt him... right??

As long as they can say "this doesn't make sense" when looking at a storyline (which any objective observer should do, wrestling fan or not), I don't mind.

How does Benoit look weak by taking an unexpected finisher? Should he have taken it, got right back up and thrown him in a crossface? Should he have reversed it into a crossface? Benoit extends his hand and admits he was wrong about Cena. Cena kicks his ass. Yeah, how DOES that make Benoit look weak??? It shouldn't have been done at all. The FU pushes the disention with the team and further underdogs them, if Benoit can't survive taking someones finisher and legitamizing it as a finisher than he's not as good or as over as some of you are saying. They could have done that in OTHER WAYS that didn't have to sacrifice Benoit and make him patsy. It would of furthered the story for survivor series, added an unpredictability to Cena, and done nothing to harm Benoit. Did nothing to harm Benoit?! How the fuck can you say that? Cena, the guy who got beaten by nearly everyone on the roster, punks out Benoit. Yeah, that would leave him fresh as a fucking rose. Again, other ways to do that. Cena is priority over Benoit right now, it doesn't matter where he's pushed, he's a potential money maker right now a lot more so than Benoit and keeping him interesting should be key. Benoit drew better when he main evented than Cena did. Not only this year, but when he first was called up. I'm not saying that Benoit is a draw, but I'm not saying he isn't one either. The only potential money Cena will be making any time soon is in Merch sales - and you don't have to be a ME to sell a shirt. You just have to be given screen and mic time to develop your character - which Cena has. Saying that the guy challenging for the WWE Title is not of priority is just ridiculous.

"This extent"??? Oh yeah, he sure is getting the Royal Treatment here. That poor Cena with Benoit holding him down. It's all about Benoit isn't it. God, when will his tyranny END?! Benoit usually gets the top 3 pops at live events. And yeah, they should be protecting Benoit since he's challenging Brock at all the house show events. It was a stupid move that would have taken any momentum off Benoit. Cena didn't lose anything - if he didn't lose anything from jobbing to Taker, or Eddie, or Angle, or Brock, he won't here.

But it didn't hurt Benoit. So who the fuck cares?

YES! This fucking RULES. Yoshida is hilarious. READ! LOVE! VIVAJUDO! -------------------------- From Circus at mma.tv These will be the translations of Yoshida's own diary from his own site. Before the Tamura fight: 2003/07/12(Sat) My opponent has been decided. Its Mr.Tamura! It isnt easy to get on the ring against a Japanese fighter, but I will try hard by feeling challenging him. Since Thursday, I have been learning the striking from Mark Hunt's trainier. Very hard, but good training. From next week, I will go to my training camp, so I will have to rest "The Voice" (this diary) for a while ..... !! 2003/07/23(Wed) Today, I came back from my training camp. I got very tired! From the day one, after running 10 km, I had my toe swollen ...! In the afternoon, I just trained the striking. I am so sloppy that my shoulders get tight, so I felt I went exreme like I havent done for a while. But it will be more important from now on, s I have to focus. I also have to cut my weight...! And, and, Kosuke Kitajima got his gold medal. And the world record, it was great. I hope he will also get the gold in 200 meters! Go for it, Kosuke ...!! 2003/07/25(Fri) Recently I have been training the striking, so I am worn out with all the bruises. My whole body hurts...! In 2 weeks, I will get in splendid condition for the fight!! Please everyone cheer for me. And the swimmer Kosuke Kitajima, congratulations for the two golds. I will keep my promise after your return. Look forward to it...! Like you did, I will also try to do great. Bye 2003/08/02(Sat) Long time no see! I have been lazy about this because of exhaustion. Sorry ... bow!! Recently I have been cutting weight and got to the point where only one kilogram is left. I am tirrrrred. I am so envious when I see people drink beer! I want to drink so soooon. Please, I want to win and drink a delicious beer!! Bye. 2003/08/04(Mon) It will be the fight soon. Yesterday, I went to the sea for a change. But, because of weight cutting, as soon as I arrived, I ran and jumped in the sea. Felt so goooood! The sunlight was very strong, so maybe I got alittle tanned? It was a good change, so I will do my best in the fight!! Bye 2003/08/06(Wed) Finally, I cut to the weight limit! Ahh, it was so hard. Oh, yeah, I have an anouncedment to everyone. Tomorrow, my photo essay, 'Way' will will be on sale. Please look at myself as I have been. It may be pretty sexy ... Also, I shot for a TV commercial for Sapporo beer. Lets drink Sapporo drink. I also want to drink soon! Bye. 2003/08/09(Sat) Finally, the fight is tomomrrow. I have done all the I could. I want to face the competition with confidence! First, I have to pass the first round! I will do my best. Please, cheer for me!! 2003/08/11(Mon) Thank you for all the support. Ahhh, finally the fight is over. Although I could win, my whole body is battered and hurts. I attacked with the strikes for the first time, but it was difficult! It became a good experience, though. It was a fight where I could find my future assignment. There isnt much time till November, so I will try to have my injuries healed first and try hard for the final victory!! Really, my body hurrrrts ...! Bye. 2003/08/13(Wed) It has passed 3 days since the fight. The injury doesnt seem to be that bad, but the swell doesnt recede. I want to heal as soon as possible, and be ready for the fight in November. What are you guys doing during the Obon holiday(a national holiday in Japan)? On September 7, I will hold the second "Viva Judo!"(his free judo seminor for kids at Kodokan)! Lets everybody enjoy judo! I am looking forword to eeeeverybody's participation. (Contact 03-3414-9000 for signup.) 2003/08/19(Tue) Long time no see. As a matter of fact, my PC got infected by a virus, so I couldnt write THE VOICE... I am very sorry. At present, my knee has healed pretty well, and I will try to feel fresh for November. I will show up in SPORUTO!(a sports TV program) Please everybody watch!! 2003/08/21(Thu) Yesterday and today, I went to Fuji TV's BOKEN-OU(king of adventure) show. At the show, we held a talk show and a judo lesson, and I enjoyed it very much. I am a little worried if I could show how much fun judo is...? And, I will do the commentating for the Judo world championship held in September. I want to convey to people how fun judo is as much as I can. From now, I will show up in SPORUTO, which is shown on every Wedenesday, so please watch!! Bye 2003/08/24(Sun) Finally, it has become like a real summeeerrrr. Yesterday, there was the 2nd Yoshida Dojo BBQ party like last year, and we held it with 115 people including kids and parents in Sagamihara! I am getting pumped up! Children's smiles are such a source of energy!! But my back hurts because I got tanned too muuccch. Please see the pictures of the party at the river in the Photo Section next week. 2003/08/26(Tue) This weekend, I went to Hida-Takayama to celebrate my grandmother for her 88th anniversary(Beiju). It became quite a huge gathering, and 88 relatives gathered. It was the biggest gathering of my relatives since I won the gold in the Bercelona Olympics. There were some folks I havent even met, and, Gee, it was surprising! But it was really good to see my granma doing well. I felt I wanted her to be well for a long time to come. This weekend paifully reminded me that I have to go home sometimes. Lets all cherish our families! Bye. 2003/08/30(Sat) How have you been doing? It has passed a year since I fought last year. I enjoyed having a meal with the colleagues of my office who I dont see often. I became quite a wild party probably because of the daily accumulation of stress. Maybe a little hangover. But I thought its good to have such a frindly gathering sometimes to develop a sense of unity. Being surrounded by nice colleagues, I want to refresh my commitment and stay focused for the November's finals. 2003/09/02(Tue) Yesterday, I went to see Neptune's (a comic trio) live. This thing was really funny. It was the first day off since long before, and it was such a great refreshment and fun! Mr. Nagura is such a nice guy and a friend of mine. He takes care of young guys well and is a very down-to-earth guy! BTW, he is not an Indian(note: he doesnt look very asian). He is Japanese!! Bye ... 2003/09/04(Thu) Yesterday was my 34th birthday. I am so surprised that the day passed like a flash! But, I dont want to care about the age, but keep challenging. I shall be the baddest middle-aged man in the world!! Bye 2003/09/06(Sat) Aggghh, I am tired. Recently, many things have occurred at once, and I am tired physically. Maybe I am old? Nahh... Tomorrow, we will have the second VIVA JUDO(his annual open free judo lesson). I cant afford to say I am tired!! I wonder if I can let them know how fun judo is? Also, the world judo will take place soon. Lets everybody cheer for the Japanese competitors. Bye...! 2003/09/08(Mon) I showed up in one spot of Watatte IItomo(a tv program). I didint know the judo gi for Judo World Chmpionship cost as much as 38500 yen...! I didnt know about this at all because they were given to me before. I feel so grateful now that I know of this. In the Judo World, which will start on 11th, it seems the Japanese players will wear them. Now with the judo-gis set, I want them to give their best and "GETS"(a trade-mark phrase of a goofy comedian) the gold. Bye. 2003/09/10(Wed) Today, I showed up in a TV program ot Nagoya NHK, and came to Osaka. At last, tomorrow is the Judo World. Everybody, go for it! By the way, last night, I had a "Sporuto!" show, and I went to Nagoya this morning, so I feel like going to beeed right now. Bye!! 2003/09/16(Tue) Long time no see. I forgot to take my PC with me and couldnt write the Voice. Very sorry!! The World Judo closed yesterday without any accidents. There are some competitors who could show their best and some who couldnt, but I want to congratulate all their effort!! Especially, for those who lost, it should have been extremely dissapointing -- which I have experienced, too -- , but I want them to make full use of this experience. Judo RULES!! Bye!! He said "Judo saiko!". It literally means judo is best. But he didnt mean judo is better than others. The expression simply means judo is great, which connotation is very close to the way young Americans would say, "Judo rules!" 2003/10/08(Wed) It has become quite cold lately. You havent caught cold, have you? On Monday? I had dinner with Nomura(judo champ) and his wife. The conversation flourished about the Judo Worlds, which was just ended. He seemed very dissapointed because he didnt think he would lose at all! Well, he said he got exausted from being away from judo for two years. Training and competing are totally different, he said. He will win the next Olympic by learning from this experience. I wish him good luch! I have to be serious, too --- train, train!! Bye 2003/10/09(Thu) Today is a good weather, isnt it? Thins Sunday, we will hold "Viva Judo!" the thrd at Hachioji. Everybody, please join us. For details, contact J-ROCK: 03-3414-9000 Today, I am training judo! Bye!!! 2003/10/13(Mon) Yesterday, the third VIVA JUDO! ended without much trouble. The even became quite large with instructors like former-judoka and pro-wrestlers, Ms Kandori and Ms Yabushita, Pride fighters, Mr Shoji abd Mr Matsui, and a Shooto fighter, Mr Uematsu. The instructors accepted the invitation probably because they felt they owe judo and do something back. In the future, we want to keep doking something we can do. And yesterday, I went to corner my best friend Mr Kosaka. I was surprised at his opponent who was taller than 2 meters! But, the world class fighter TK handled him very well and managed to win. Oh, Great!! Next is my turn. I will give my best! Bye 2003/10/18(Sat) My weight has gained only 3kg since the last fight, so there should not be much of a problem cutting weight, maybe! I will train hard so that every one will see a good fight. Give me a support...! 2003/10/21(Tue) Many of my former students have married recently. I havent married yet. You guys marry too early! Maybe I dont have enough encounters? But, when your students start marrying, it sure makes you worry! More than anything, now I have to worry about my fight ...!! 2003/10/23(Thu) It is fine today. I feel like I can have a good training. I am leaving! Lets excersize so that your cholesterol level wont accumulate!! Bye 2003/10/26(Sun) Lately, it has been quite cold. You havent caught any cold? Today, as a refreshment, I went to Ginza for shopping and having a massage. It is 2 weeks until my fight. I have to be careful about my condition and train hard like a madman. Bye 2003/10/29(Wed) Yesterday, I went to the Megurofudoson shirine to pray for my victory. Before fights, I always go there to put my hands together. I believe in "the invisible force", which I believe is something called "luck". Luck is something you grab unto yourself!! I will try hard to do that. Bye. 2003/11/01(Sat) You all have three consequtive days off! I envy. Are you going anywhere? I am having a fight in a week! My condition is OK? I have to make sure to be in the best shape by the day of the fight. I gotta go training. Bye. Before Silva's Fight 2003/11/04(Tue) I will have a fight soon! My weight is going down! After that, all I can do is do my best with all your cheers behind my back! Please cheer for me. Now I have a piece of information... Its finally official that we will have our second gym at Aobadai, Yokohama on Dec 8!! This will the kind of dojo where everybody can enjoy learning, including kids, adults, or men/women. Please visit! Contact: J-Rock 03-3414-9000 Ask for Miyamoto or Uruki 2003/11/08(Sat) Today, finally, the weigh-in is over, and I ate as much as I wanted. I am so satisfied! Tomorrow, I want to be able to perform well enough to be more satisfied. I am not as nervous as I though I would be, and I am quite relaxed! Please look forward...! Bye 2003/11/10(Mon) Finally, the fight is over. Its such a shame and frusrating!! But, today's fight became a good learning experience for me. As we already know, it hurts to get hit! I had 5 stiches on my upper lip. I want to have my injury healed soon, and train hard to fight again.!! Please keep supporting me! Good night...Bye 2003/11/11(Tue) As always, your face starts swelling from a day after the fight. Ouch, ouch! Just to be careful, I will go to have my head checked with CT scan. I cant show this messed-up face to the kids. They will be scared. As days pass, the bitterness for the loss multipies! I will avenge no matter what!! Bye

They showed Cena leaving the ring and Cole saying he doesn't change his spots... but didn't show him FUing Benoit... thank God/Benoit.

... Bradshaw is SO the fucking man.

No, it's smart because a person - who usually doesn't buy WWE merch - may be tempted to buy from Shopzone since they get a 10% discount. It also makes readers pay more attention. It's pretty clever.