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Spike made mention of entering Angel's body and shackin up with Fred... then appeared in Freds office at the end. James Marsters... JC!

It's weird getting two introductory eps. in a row... 3 if you count the Season Finale. The Spike gimmick is pretty nifty as it allows the Buffyfiles who never watched the show before to come in and relate to a character and share the "fish-out-of-water" experience. I dug the Villain. A lil goofy in places. Notice that Spike has a thing for boney chicks (Buffy, Dru, Fred), while Angel has a thing for blondes (Buffy, Darla, Kate.. Cordy had blonde highlights before she left.) Spike talked too much. He can't keep up the accent through long dialogue - it gets watered down. Not enough focus on the other characters. I know that they will get their time, but they are on screen for maybe 3 minutes each.. c'mon. Season 1 Lilah is not doin it for me. We need 10 CC's of Foxyness STAT. LUUUUCHA MASK! Did anyone else mark out for JM's name in the opening credits?

It's what fuels him. The rage. The anger. The contempt of a world full of ignorance and injustice. You think you know him? You'll never know him. You are lost... and scared.

NO! LET HIM HAVE HIS MYSTERY!

More people get network than they do cable. Ratings are % of people who watch. So which is bigger: 3.9% of 60 and 3.5% of 80 Top Rated Cable Program: Trading Spaces Rating: 5.6 Amount of People watching: 9,124,000 Top Rated Broadcast Program: CSI Rating: 16.9 People: 26,657,000

Oh, wrestling is not legitimate enough nor are the bumps and moves in the ring, so they have to "move up" to football in order to give wrestlers credibility? ... I still don't get it. It devalues wrestling and supports the competition.

Well I got both matches on my computer, so I'm game for a lively discussion. I might have to watch the 2/3 falls on mute though in order to get through it again. Look at the work after the "10 count" - it's brilliant.

Smackdown managing to be WORSE than RAW.

Tajiri has turned a dozen times by now. The only reason he is remotely over is because of his in-ring talent. Eddie was retooled under "Latino Heat", Benoit was the same character, but they haven't given him a STRONG push - he has been used as enhancement talent for as long as he has been there.

Vince has a problem pushing talent that isn't HIS creation. A wrestler from ECW or WCW with a remodled gimmick and character will get pushed more than a wrestler who has a successful gimmick/character carried over from ECW or WCW.

Benoit, Malenko, and Guerrero were in ECW for what, a year? How many shows did ECW have in a year?

C'mon, he's rhYno - that's pure WWF. RRR: Waiting for Rhyno to become a heat announcer.

They REALLY need to bring Jenny back.

Someone needs to walk me through how Dragon/London 2/3 falls was better than Angle/Benoit.

Does anyone win with a back suplex? Does it mean anything to anyone?

Honestly, If I could come up with the worst possible show given the current storylines THIS would be THAT show.

Yeah, that's basically where I figured "goof"

Nothing that hasn't been said on this board a billion times before, and much better might I add.

It's kinda odd how Vince was able to drop the invasion when the NWO -the group he created- worked so well in WCW. You'd think that previous experience in creating the NWO would have helped him in making the Invasion angle work.

The UFC Title situation is FUCKED. But having said that... ... The lightheavyweight title is the only one people care about and Randy Couture has it.

First Barnett and now Sylvia... ...aren't steriods supposed to, oh I dunno, make you look more muscular??

Well gee Z, Hall and Nash started off in WCW so by that extension... Hall and Nash were worth nothing in the WWF, WCW gave them worth with the NWO. To say that Vince created the NWO is like saying the guy who invented rubber invented the automobile.

Da Meltz sums it up best: Check out the house show reports from last night. The top workers in the company go two minutes plus in the main event? I figured somebody must have been badly hurt, but I figured wrong. It just happened, without an explanation. They've sabotaged their house show business bad enough by constantly insulting only their most loyal fans who pay to see house shows, and then slapping them in the face, when they watch television, and announcers make statements like Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar have wrestled only twice before, when the most loyal fans paid $40 and up to see something they are told on TV didn't happen. And surely they recognize they don't matter. And surely the company recognizes that house show attendance is pathetic these days, except when they go overseas or in the rare market in the middle of nowhere that hasn't seen a live event in five years. The worst, is that not only did WCW never truly recognize its mistakes until, perhaps, a month or two before the company died, but WWE, which will last a lot longer because of its cash reserve, will not learn. If they were going to learn, they'd have figured it out a year ago. Last night, both in Trenton and in Uncasville, was proof of that.

The NWO wasn't Vince's creation. Hall and Nash were more popular in WCW than they ever were in the WWF. The concept and Hogan's turn were WCW-exclusive, as well as the booking. What WCW got was a failed champion and an IC-at-best greaseball and made them in to a threat.

Oh, so maybe you won't like "Someone teach these guys how to fucking build a match and work holds"