Jobber of the Week

I think he means Mysterio.

HA! Someone doesn't remember the WrestleVessel... Someone's only been watching since 99, and I never heard of such a thing. I don't think it's the same thing, though. I wasn't talking about WM on a boat (though that would be kind of neat, I was talking about WM in a seaside stadium and a party event on a boat seperate. It wouldn't even have to go anywhere or anything. The reason is that the Bay Area is honestly quite cramped, but is a number of harbor towns with the ability to service most anything but those luxo-liners. Something that can hold enough numbers to still be an event yet still be exclusive would definitely work though. Also, while I know there's no plane big enough for a stadium of people, I really want to see a wrestling match in the air some day. Not sure why, not sure what gimmick they'd use, just do.

He also suffocated WCW to an early grave and is now considering his job options, so maybe in the long run it really wasn't that great of an idea. While Hogan and Nash were trying to make Nitro as much about themselves as possible because they were free to do so, WWF gained a reputation for having a casual locker room where everyone got along. Even guys like the Undertaker were trying to make the best of what they'd been given to keep the show alive, instead of squashing midcarders and complaining to management any time a clean job was involved. During this period, the company suddently soared and it seemed there was an endless amount of riches to be earned. Compared that to today's attitude of the Russo-era draws (Taker, HHH, Austin to name a particular few) and the company's fortunes today. Yes, a lot of that has to do with creative, but there is a connection.

Did Lesnar ever stop stiffing people? One year ago today, he was considered too rough and likely to end Kurt Angle's career. Maybe he developed that and wasn't so bad later in 2003, but I can't ever think of any other time short of Mania (and even that would have been questionable when you consider that SSP was intended to hit) where he went out of his way to protect somebody. Again, he was a league above the OVW people they keep pulling out and sticking into shitty outfits, but I never saw this magical change in his ringwork. That was, eh, five months after he started? He had just won the belt and moved to Smackdown. That match was only one-fifth of the way throughout his career. Perhaps the magic faded sometime after that. Well, it's more glamorous than digging a ditch or working at a mill, and that seems to be what he's going for. How many of them would angrily walk out the door shouting about how you can take this job and shove it, but then say the door is open to working there again in the future?

The only thing I'll say about the Holly feud was that I laughed when he was still afraid of Holly in his promo with FGB, even though said promo happened after he destroyed Holly in minutes.

He improved because it's an activity he takes to like a duck to water. Even though he can't hang with NFL guys due to an injury, Goldberg is probably a better environment in a game of pickup football than he is in a small indie fed where he'd quickly run tired with the audience if judged on his matches instead of his image. Football is to Goldberg as wrestling is to Lesnar. For one reason or another, both guys eventually chose to wind up in the other's primary activity, and both are (likely) underwhelming in their latest careers when judged on talent. Both are working on the attitude of just wanting to make money and go home, and that will get Brock just as much negative attention in the NFL as it would in the WWE. I mean, face it. The guy says pretty much flat out that he's not interested in entertaining you, doesn't care if you like his matches or not, only cares that he gets enough of the company's money (and, by gate, PPV, and merch sales, ours) to buy toys or whatever else he plans to do with it. And hey, there's million's of people out there working jobs they don't like so they can take home big money, so if that's your thing, go forward and make money. But that kind of attitude fizzles flat on a team effort, and both WWE and NFL is a team effort. For the NFL it should be quite obvious, but in wrestling everyone has to work together for the ideal goal, which is that a card is a hit from beginning to end. If you got some guys working their ass off while other guys are stinking up the ring because they're lazy or they're only looking out for themselves, it doesn't work. It didn't work when cruisers killed themselves to open WCW programming that quickly fell to pieces anytime Nash was mentioned onscreen, and it doesn't work when guys like Bradshaw and Big Show are doggin' it while Eddie and Rey try to save an entire program by themselves. But hey, if the NFL doesn't buy into his gig, he has no problem coming back to a job that he doesn't like and take the money that's there without any consideration for the company, the other wrestlers, or the fans. Because the only thing that matters is Brock and where Brock's next paycheck is coming from. And surely, Vince will still want him back, right? And surely, the company will resume their focus on him like they did before, right? And surely, we'll welcome him back with open arms while he doesn't give a shit, right? Fuck him and Goldberg both. I'm glad they're gone.

I got a good up-close look at Jeff only one time and he's the second most anorexic looking figure I've seen, next to a former boyfriend who had the same build but was a good deal taller. He seemed alright in the early days when the Hardys were just jobbers making their way from Shotgun to Heat. Somewhere around the "New Brood" period of the hair dye and the umpteenth tag title reign, he suddently lost about thirty or forty pounds. That weight was probably helping cushion his skeletal structure in the bumps he was taking. Nowadays, two words: Compressed spine. Need I say more?

When it comes to outdoor waterfront stadiums, San Fran's beats all , even if we lost the easily-recallable PacBell Park name for SBC. Often boats just sit outside the arena during MLB games and wait for home runs to pop into their area, but aside from that, there's docks and piers just nearby. Imagine, if they hired a big ass ship for post-WM activites sitting somewhere not too far away, had a party after the show with all the talent, and sold tickets at (likely outrageous) prices? A wrestling boat > Everything

Again, it boils down to the "I didn't like working in that phony sport but might choose to return to it if I can't make equally big money somewhere else" attitude that ought to sour anyone who considers themselves a fan.

Normally, I'd agree with you. And doubly so on the "doing what you like to do" thing. But he isn't just leaving, he's kicking dirt on the company as he leaves by saying he had the world on a silver platter and still hated working there. And hey, if you want to do that, again, normally I'd say fine. If you hate Vince McMahon, or you hate his organization, you sure as hell are not alone. But the problem then comes in where he says that if things don't work out, he wouldn't rule out returning. Uh.... HELLO!? *This* is where I draw a line. I can't figure it out. He hates doing it, he publically says so, but he wouldn't mind doing it if he couldn't make money elsewhere. There's no conclusive evidence he was a long-term draw and now no reason why McMahon would want to take him back. You can argue that WWE needs Lesnar more than Lesnar needs WWE at this point. True, but I hope, even though I liked what the guy brought to the table, that they don't re-hire him. We saw what "improvements" that kind of thing causes when the company practically went begging back to Steve Austin.

By this logic, Ric Flair should have been the most un-over guy in the NWA. NWA portrayed his valets as the real stars? NWA gave Flair no mic time to get his character over? Flair wasn't over until they gave him valets? Maybe I didn't clarify my points exactly, but you're not making valid comparisons here. Sure. You said that putting a woman with a wrestler winds up making the fans care only about the women, and not pay attention to anything the wrestler is doing or saying. So, with this logic, Ric Flair should be really un-over. I mean, there's some classic promos where he goes to the ring with six or seven girls. This is an era where the audience was even more dominantly male, so not a single pair of ears would be listening to a damn thing he says, right? NOW you sound like there's a right and wrong way to go about using women as escorts, that the Flair stuff was done right and how it's currently being done is wrong. And there I'll agree with you.

So, it's like Goldberg all over again. This is unfortunate, because Lesnar actually could carry an Orton or other dead weight to **1/2 when he really tried to put effort into it. Oh well. to him. Also, if I was a new hiree of WWE, my first act would be to become good friends with Undertaker. It seems that one's career can go a lot farther by sucking up to him, probably more than anyone else in the locker room.

My favorite ad is the one with that one guy: Guy: "So, my Medicare hasn't changed at all. There's just more of it?" Voice: "That's right!" I keep expecting to hear it followed with: Guy: "Man, what we're all those Democrats smoking when they were complaining about it?"

Depending on who's here, who's taking a break, and who's given up and stopped posting here, it can either seem balanced or like trying to debate at a Republican convention. It certainly is entertaining, though. Especially if it's a Howard Dean thread, where 90% of us just all laugh together.

I'm not aware I ever defended Bush's spending. -=Mike Okay then. And oh for god's sakes, who the hell let a gay marriage arguement break out in this thread? I was looking forward to some good ol' fashioned contrast and comparison of Presidents viewed as extreme.

It's cheap, it's widely available, it's interesting if I get tired of the Chronicle.

Jeff's problem is that he looks like he weighs 130 pounds, despite WWE's attempts to say he weighed almost twice that. Even JR one night had trouble selling 220lbs garbage (he added "and I think that was only on a good day.") This is the same company that last Sunday also ptched the shorter Shannon Moore as 207. Maybe if he was soaking wet and holding a brick. It all comes down to Vince having a pseudo-erotic interest in big strapping guys, and that Jeff in particular has pretty much nothing but the pants around his waist to help cushion the bumps he was taking. At least he should have been eating more. At this point, rather than bring back Jeff, I'd just make Moore & Paul London the new daredevil tag team. I don't know why they're using Kidman instead unless they want to bury Moore by association with Hardy.

By this logic, Ric Flair should have been the most un-over guy in the NWA.

Hey playa, if you think wrestlin' needs some changes then HOLLA... You know, this would actually be a very difficult way to write anything. Because you lose that "gotta have the next one" feeling when the next one is only a few days away instead of a week or so. But I'm not paying attention to the writing because, again, I believe in the end nobody really cares about that as much as they do the matches. And feuds can be fully done and finished on free TV if it leads to a more major PPV match down the line. Nobody is doing that here, though. Instead, every damn contest over Ass Cream and spilled coffee has to be resolved on pay per view. Both #1 contenders for WrestleMania this year were determined on Pay Per View. I'll give them the Royal Rumble because it is kind of traditional now and there's little chance it'll disappear. But there was nothing in that Angle/Cena/Show match that couldn't have been done on SmackDown. Hm, okay. I've seen a number of shows from the Hogan days were Taker talks to Mean Gene and Bearer was just doing his interview show, but I'll take your word for it. Name me a reason why a crowd won't react more to a pretty woman than a fat guy? There you go, now you're thinkin'.

Yes, but Bush has never met a spending bill he wasn't willing to sign.

All Bush and FDR have in common is that they practically destroy the Constitution in the name of security. Otherwise, Bush is a guy who probably has good intentions but has gone about almost everything the wrong way.

That does it. I'm going to make a new thread about my crazy theories.

Oh, by the way, if anyone who's familiar with the area is reading and wants to assist a tourist who knows nothing about SoCal aside from Anaheim, feel free to fire off a private message to me. I'd appreciate it.

I imagine it probably has something to do with the bleach blonde look from a few years ago absolutely wrecking her hair. Shaving it off could be an extreme measure to try and return it to normalcy.

The build-up doesn't matter for a damn minute, because that's not why people watch. The match was awesome, and that's what matters. Kudos to both guys for pulling it off.