Jobber of the Week

This information comes from the WM21 thread. I've altered it a little to include this number and WM21's. Wrestlemania 17: 1,040,000 buys Wrestlemania 21: 940,000 buys (estimated, possibly over a million) Wrestlemania 20: 885,000 Wrestlemania 18: 840,000 ECW One Night Stand: 800,000 (approx., early estimate, possibly bullshit?) Invasion: 775,000 Royal Rumble 2002: 670,000 Rumble 2001: 625,000 No Way Out 2001: 590,000 Rumble 2003: 585,000 No Way Out 2002: 575,000 Summerslam 2001: 565,000 Wrestlemania 19: 560,000 Summerslam 2002: 520,000 Rumble 2004: 500,000 Summerslam 2003: 465,000 Survivor Series 2001: 450,000 (blowoff of the Invasion angle, disappointing number) No Way Out 2003: 450,000 Survivor Series 2003: 450,000 (big success for the time) King of the Ring 2001: 445,000 (Jericho and Benoit headlining with Austin) Summerslam 2004: 415,000 Judgment Day 2001: 405,000 Backlash 2002: 400,000 Bad Blood 2003: 385,000 (big buyrate shock at the time...Foley helped draw?) Backlash 2001: 375,000 (look at the drop for WM17) Vengeance 2002: 375,000 Judgment Day 2002: 373,000 Vengeance 2003: 365,000 (big success at the time) Unforgiven 2003: 360,000 (Goldberg vs. HHH, success at the time) Unforgiven 2001: 350,000 Backlash 2003: 345,000 Survivor Series 2002: 340,000 Armageddon 2002: 335,000 No Mercy 2001: 325,000 Survivor Series 2004: 325,000 King of the Ring 2002: 320,000 Vengeance 2001: 315,000 Judgment Day 2003: 315,000 Unforgiven 2002: 300,000 No Mercy 2002: 300,000 Backlash 2004: 295,000 Bad Blood 2004: 290,000 No Mercy 2003: 275,000 No Way Out 2004: 265,000 Vengeance 2004: 240,000 Armageddon 2003: 240,000 Unforgiven 2004: 239,000 Judgment Day 2004: 235,000 Armageddon 2004: 230,000 No Mercy 2004: 183,000 Taboo Tuesday: 174,000 (total for October over 350,000, however)

This is a stupid post. What we want is a better card for our investment, not necessarily garbage wrestling. Although it was good, there was nothing in the ECW show that made me want to be in that crowd. The funny thing is that I read this post just after buying tickets to Vengeance. I wasn't going to at first, and the news of Angle/Shawn II made me a little weak, but then the defense of both title belts sent me over the edge because the chances are good that one of them will change.

I don't believe buy numbers until Meltzer announces them. Although it wouldn't suprise me since this show was advertised on both brand shows and was a big focus of the long promo segments. If these numbers are true, then it kind of seems to me like they can't ignore it. It kind of reminds me of Attitude, wherein one outsider (Russo or in this case RVD) pitches an idea to Vince and manages to start something. In the case of Attitude, Shane was supporting it pretty heavily and pushed Vince over the edge into pulling the trigger the idea. Word is that Stephanie and Hunter stayed at home while Vince & Shane were at the show. I wonder if the same situation is happening here, because my guess is it would take more coaxing than RVD and Heyman (who was in the doghouse anyways) to get Vince to make deals with guys who aren't his own and feature them prominently. Okay, maybe I'm just dreaming or speculating now, but I really wish there was some sort of grab for the company by Shane here. If the company goes to Hunter, things will get even worse.

This makes me wish I kept around that animated GIF that shows the black-and-red Che design get a gun shoved into it's mouth and his head blown off.

I think he's a weirdo, but the mother in this case was looking for a quick buck. She seems like one of those Wendy's Finger-In-The-Chili types. She was all perfectly fine and dandy sending volunteering her son to go sleep over with this man until America saw them on that Bashir documentary and said the public collectively said "dude, wtf." Once that happened, she suddently decided she had a case on her hands. Go fig.

It's the same company that made "S*CK IT" shirts, so of course F-Bombs aren't going to fly. Doesn't affect me none since people saying "fuck" all together doesn't really add anything to the actual wrestling. I guess there is a vague possibility that they could make a completely un-bleeped audio track for a Parental Advisory DVD and market that DVD as absolutely unconditionally not being made for the younger fans, but PR matter big-time to this company, and Vince has long been upset with his public image of being a filth peddler. Besides, you know no matter what they do, you'll buy the DVD so you can watch it every 10-12 months and remember that this actually happened.

That was when ECW was "owned" by Stephanie and Paul was just about kissing her feet, right? We'll have to see what this show's buyrate is to be sure on just how burned out everyone was by that angle. Still, I guess the question is whether Vince thinks that his own personal vendetta with WCW is more important than money. Goldberg main-evented in WWE for a full year and fought almost every WWE-only guy of his caliber, including Rock and HHH. Furthermore, these matches didn't draw, and he and management started getting angry at each other because of it. He doesn't want to work with WWE again. I think they may have to focus on everything but Goldberg because of attitudes and because he was a non-draw without 60 squash matches of buildup.

Whaaaaa?! They've never had a certified match, although there was precedent for one and they never did anything about it. When Shawn superkicked Rock in the face during an early SmackDown. Rock did a "turn it sideways" promo aimed at him the next week but then it never got thought of again.

I sat and thought about it, and doesn't it seem to someone else that this concept could work well enough with WCW? It would also probably draw a bigger buyrate (although have a lousier crowd reaction, of course) than this show. I think they could work the same magic at such a show, if they planned it right. No crappy booking. Get a number of guys who never worked for the company, that will be easier once TNA is dead. Get more guys that didn't make the buyout and let the cruisers do what they want to do. Include a HOF-style appearance and tribute to some old NWA legends. An invasion angle like it was done tonight wouldn't be necessary, they did enough sportz entertainment style stuff during the first time they tried it. Instead, the card should mostly be some of the best WCW matchups that we either haven't seen in a while because of the brand extension or seem rather fresh (in other words, Eddy VS Rey is a no, but Booker VS Benoit would be a yes.) In addition to this, they should use the WWE guys minimally to put together matches between guys who otherwise would have never met. Sting VS either Cena or Benjamin immediately jumps to mind. Try to keep it the WWE presence to the newer guys, because there's no need to have Shawn Michaels run in and go over more guys so close to his retirement.

Some of the comments in this thread are ridiculous. No, chances are f-word chants aren't going to come out in full force on Raw and this isn't some sort of revival of crowds biting back and booing and chanting profanity at bad angles and boring matches. The thing to remember is that this was a 0% mark crowd. How do I know this? Because I've been watching WWF since 1999 and even I don't know who half the guys on the card. I've been interested in wrestling for six years yet I'm not a veteran enough to know who's who on the card. Most WWE viewers, on the other hand, are far markier than I am. And they'll just take what's given to them because it's their idle hobby and not something they obsess over like some people on this board. And that's why JBL matches and HHH title wins will continue to be met with tepid applause instead of Fuck You chants.

LOL! To me, they always look like he wanted to get th Goldberg tattoo but didn't want to completely rip it off, but it's the same "look," sort of. The funny thing is that he's completely disassociated himself from having anything to do with the whole thing, which has spiraled out of control. It would seem he wasn't trying to start a movement so much as he simply had a song and a bunch of people hijacked it to start this whole fad.

Problem with a Wiki is that people can change or wipe other people's articles. It's not very feasible for sites that want to be anything other than an encyclopedia.

You forgot the other half: "Sorry that I lost them. I hope you'll find them soon, in your own backyard."

She did? Goddamnit, that would imply talent that I've refused to believe she has. Then again, maybe a lot of her songs would sound better if sang by Kelly Clarkson.

Weren't people saying their departure from FSN was on good terms and it's possible they could go back there? More of the same > going downhill.

There's still worse looking female characters in video games than butler Christie. I kind of enjoy the suit when beating someone down because it has that "this is just business, pardon me while i pwn you before going back to work" appeal to it. I can't believe I'm disputing a HOT GAME CHIX show.

Well, the addition of the game should continue to de-value the used original DS systems on eBay, so bring it on then. One thing I can count on Nintendo on, is to rebundle their consoles again and again with more software or twelve different color schemes, making the older ones depreciate.

You said that Avril Lavigne sang Breakaway. Why are you the person recapping this show again?

If you have a choice, go with DTS. But most of the time you don't get a choice.

When do Matt Hardy threads get relegated down to General Wrestling? I remember when the WWE Folder kept seeing threads about Brock Lesnar's football tryouts, and some mods were really getting angry and made it clear that they deserved to be in General Wrestling now that Brock isn't with the comapny. Please, let's do this with all the Matt Hardy shit.

New Jack's whole thing is one good bump involving falling from a high place and it's so nasty that the company wouldn't let him do it anyway.

Two friends of mine were on different episodes Win Ben Stein's Money. Both of them got eliminated early.

The name isn't a registered trademark. In other words, it has the but not the ® and there's a big difference there. As a non-registered trademark, he doesn't own exclusive rights to the name, but could sue if someone was trying to infringe on his idea. Kind of like how Vince has similar trademarks for real wrestler names like Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle. He can't make someone named Kurt Angle change their name, but if someone started wrestling with the pseudonym Kurt Angle, then there'd be a problem, because you could conceivably mistake one product with the next. As for whether you can mistake a pro wrestler with a fictional superhero, I'm not sure.

Dish companies tell you to get the locals off the air from your affiliate's broadcast tower. Some boxes (like Voom's, before they went belly-up) had off the air tuners built in for receiving local broadcasts as well as the satellite feed. The problem is, there's a lot of places in California where you live too far away from your nearest big city to pick up their NBC feed out of the sky. I'm in the north bay's wine country, and for me to get signals from San Francisco in my home would require an antenna bigger than Sutro Tower. Voom's selection of channels are nice, but the programming choices have had that "HD in-store demo" feel to it that I would give up for something like, say, LOST in HD.

Not really. I'd say it's a few optimistic points amongst a map of cynicism. The only reason people tell themselves this promotion has a chance is that they've admittedly come a very long way from the days of wrestling penises and midget fights, and in a very short period of time. They managed to survive Russo and arguably come out ahead of where they started. They added people who used to draw legitimate pops at major-league events, whereas previously they had Jeff Jarrett. Then Panda was willing to blow money on getting watchable wrestlers AND putting on a decent production. Whereas previously, when they started, they had okay production values but mostly crappy wrestling. Then they lost their bigger arena and had a number of good matches in some joint that looked like it was filmed in an unused corner of the local Costco. This promotion has had what feels like an endless stream of second chances and shots in the arm, but some people will always mistake it with "potential."