the max

I've always hated Kilborn. I can't wait for a Ley/Steiner show. That'll be great. No catchphrases.

The acquisition of catcher Paul Lo Duca has allowed colorful Florida manager Jack McKeon to continue his tradition of butchering names. McKeon is calling him "De Luca." McKeon refers to his closer, Armando Benitez, as "Beniquez." Lo Duca, former Marlin Juan Encarnacion and reliever Guillermo Mota went to Florida in a trade with the Dodgers. "Jack never could pronounce Encarnacion. We'll just give him that one," Marlins general manager Larry Beinfest said. "With Mota, I have a lot of confidence Jack will get that one right." Beinfest's name has also been butchered a time or two. During a series against the Phillies late last season, McKeon called him Larry Beinstep. That was even funnier than the dick jokes.

Nomar kills Gonzalez and pisses on his grave as far as offense goes. The Cubs had the defense already, they needed the offense from that position more than anything.

He's not exactly what I'd call a veteran...And he's never going to be worth 3 million dollars. Hope the Canucks enjoy losing early in the playoffs.

So it keeps basically booting you off of websites?

Heh, it's like that every Sunday, it seems. Miller goes off on a tangent that leaves you scratching your head, or he butchers a guy's name that he'd been pronouncing right for 8 innings. Morgan rips people for not doing mundane things, and does it in an elitist attitude. When's Miller's contract up? I'd like to get Dave Strader into the booth.

To be fair to Theo, he had a fucking TON of off-season problems this year, IIRC. Once everything was settled down there, he was fine.

Which is why this isn't the 'good players' thread, but the 'Worst Contracts Ever?' thread. The mere fact that Holik makes that amount of money is exactly why they're at the point they're at in the CBA meetings.

I'm on Mozilla and both work fine... I noticed that one had Java, so have you installed Java on your browser?

No, I don't. He's a product of a system in New Jersey that always employs one good two-way center. Holik was it. When Slats WAY overpaid to take Holik away from the Devils, John Madden stepped in and took Holik's spot. He plays better D, kills penalties better, and surprising enough...the Devils are just as successful! Holik is a product of a system, and the fact that he makes 9 million dollars a year, and actual GOOD players like Glen Murray, who's actually WORTH that amount of money, don't make anywhere near that neighborhood.

1- 3 million is quite a bit of money. Established goaltenders make that much and more. 2- He didn't lose a game, yes. And he stopped the shots that he had to stop. 3- Who is Trent Dilfer? And I only vaguely know Kurt Warner. Comparative players in the same system? David Aebischer...500K got Colorado a 2.09/.924 in a simular system, with simular players (finesse captain, gritty second center, good role-players, good defense.) Rick DiPietro...1.075M got the Isles a 2.36/.911 in a simular system. And I don't want to compare Brodeur to Cloutier either. Cloutier is who we were discussing in the first place.

You're forgetting that he stops what's put in front of him, and routinely does this better than almost anyone. How we got onto this topic from Cloutier is beyond me, but here's the difference: Brodeur: Stops shots when they matter, regarded as one of the best in the game. 3 Cups and a gold medal back this. Cloutier: Hasn't risen to the pressure of being a number one goaltender. Doesn't stop shots when they matter, and has put up atrocious numbers at some points. I realize that I may have started a shitstorm when I brought up numbers. But don't hide Cloutier on the fact that he doesn't play on a good defensive team. A goaltender that is WORTH 3 million dollars stops those shots AND puts up consistant numbers regardless of his teams' defensive situation. Cloutier does not do that, and as a result, is not worth three million dollars. PERIOD.

And I'm not dismissing your pick, as you basically said that Holik is a good player, and then went on and on about this Reeves guy.

http://tsn.ca/news_story.asp?ID=94125&hubName=main Blue Jays fired Carlos Tosca... Question is, why now? Why not two months ago?

What would be most awesome-ist would be throwing up on your co-workers.

Wild game in Detroit. Detroit has 5 homers for 6 runs, Boston has 9 runs and they've been trading the lead.

Ridiculous. I don't particularly like Marty Brodeur, but he does what a goaltender has to do; Be there for his team when the defense has a breakdown. His numbers are indicative of that. Does he play on a defensive specializing team? Yes, and I've noted that in the past, but saying that anyone could step into his shoes is just stupid. I do not deny that Grant Fuhr is a great goaltender. But, replace where it says 'Edmonton Oilers' there and replace it with 'New Jersey Devils' or any other team that has won a Cup, and you've just described any goaltender in NHL. Luongo, Brodeur, Raycroft, Kiprusoff, Nabokov, Giguere, Denis, Vokoun...all have come up with big saves in the past few years, when it counts (except for Denis, as Columbus has never made the playoffs.) GAA and SP% are kept as goaltending stat. Not as a stat indicative of a defense in front of the goaltender. Examples? Roberto Luongo (2.43/.931 after facing over 2400 shots) with an average at best defense in front of him. Tomas Vokoun (2.53/.909 facing almost 2000 shots) with a decent defense...stole two games against Detroit when it counted Marc Denis (2.56/.918 facing almost 2000 shots) with a terrible defense That's three examples of players on bad teams, with a bad D in front of them having very good numbers (Luongo could have/should have won the Hart). They came up with big saves (I watched Luongo essentially single-handedly keep Florida close to the 8 seed in the last month of the season). Luongo, duh. He could play on any style of team and excel. But, players like Louie don't come along often, but there are simularities on other teams. See Denis, Vokoun, and Raycroft. They are are superb positionally and as a result, give their team the opportunity to win. Having positioning as an asset is great and can offset a bad defense. But...Cloutier (who this argument is about) has a good defense in front of him. He doesn't have an excuse, and Vancouver doesn't have one for giving him 3 million fucking dollars.

Even so, that might be it. Meat being cooked and meat looking cooked are two different things.

Was there any meat on the nachos? It might have taken a day or so to get into your system.

He won a lawsuit a month or so ago.

I'm not even going to try and comment on that. Rrrsh - Best of luck to your Canucks in the playoffs, when Cloutier fails...again.

I'm saying that Holik and Jagr's contracts are worse, and you're saying this Reeves guy. It's called a difference of opinion.

I don't know, or care about, Reeves.

I watch as many as I can, read all of the recaps, and check stats because stats are...well, STATS. They tell you what you need to know.

And that third line center is worth 9 million dollars? I'd love to see your fourth line... Marty LaPointe would be involved, I'm sure...