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If anything, in regards to Batista-Orton, I hope they don't feud, but as both being heels have a natural respect for each other from their Evolution days, and Batista can be the unofficial member of Orton's group. Maybe a hired henchman or something. Eventually, if Orton and Batista somehow align, I hope the payoff is that they beat the SHIT out of Triple H. It's about time, someone gave him the beating of a life time, especially after how Triple H and evolution beat the crap out of Orton. Just once, I'd like to see HHH get his ass kicked by a stable or something.

If that's the case and we get a Team Michaels vs. Team Jericho Survivor Series match, I'm down for that. Team Michaels: HBK, Punk, Mysterio, Kingston vs. Team Jericho: Jericho, Cade, Batista, Orton? I think naturally, judging from the Batista-Michaels storyline, that somehow, some way, Jericho and Batista have to align, to take out the trash they call Michaels. Orton wll have his own 3G Stable by the time SS comes around, so aligning with Jericho isn't probable. I wouldn't try to think 2 months in advance with this storyline progression. Luckily, they have alot of viable alternatives but expect either the safe route or the worst possible outcome. Key word here is alternatives. This is so much fresher than when Cena ruled Raw. In fact, he actually makes it more interesting when he does return. Where will he fit in? At this rate, if Batista does turn like I and so many others want him to, we'll basically have the same amount of top faces and top heels. I guess Cena can do his own thing and just be a loner or something. I will say one thing though, if Cena is the one who ends Jericho's title run, I will not be impressed. Let Cena get his groove back for a bit, and then maybe around next year's Survivor Series or something, give him the strap.

If that's the case and we get a Team Michaels vs. Team Jericho Survivor Series match, I'm down for that. Team Michaels: HBK, Punk, Mysterio, Kingston vs. Team Jericho: Jericho, Cade, Batista, Orton? I think naturally, judging from the Batista-Michaels storyline, that somehow, some way, Jericho and Batista have to align, to take out the trash they call Michaels. Then we can get Diesel's return and have some tag matches between the four. Two dudes with attitudes vs. Batista/Jericho would be something. Drag that shit out until Mania and we get HBK vs. Jericho in a ladder match, ironman, or something sort of stipulation match for the World Title, Michaels wins and the blowoff is OFFICIAL once and for all. In the mean time, we get Jericho, while not feuding with Michaels for a brief cooling down period, can defend the strap against Diesel, Punk, Mysterio, or even Kane, if he's a face by then. Hmm......... I just hope the WWE has some sort of long term booking starting tonight, but I highly doubt it.

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I hope Jericho gloats how he never gave up like Austin to Bret after Wrestlemania 13. And on top of that, he should say he left a World Champion, while Shawn still left with nothing.

ECW title match was fun. I liked it and Matt showed strategy in that match. Tag match was what it was. Passable. Definately liked where they are going with the new stable. Michaels-Jericho was good. Jericho definately got handled in that match. SD title match was ok. I agree with everyone on the lack on intelligence on Jeff's part. I just like the fact Kendrick was a 3 time WWE champion in that match. Women's title match, meh. Raw title match was a little interesting. I think either Batista or Rey have to turn heel. At least to me, as faces, one needs a change. Punk, that one surprised me, not the way I envisioned the end to his title run. I guess unless he wins the Rumble and face Jericho at Mania then so much for Punk as world champion. I liked Jericho as champion. This means the Michaels-Jericho feud does not end. Jericho can talk more shit now since he's the world champion and the fact that Michaels did not put Jericho away for good. This program definately needed the world title in it and now rightfully belongs at the top of the Raw card.

Did Chris Jericho and Undertaker ever feud? I was trying to come up with fresh feuds in the WWE and besides this one and Edge vs. Jericho, everything else has pretty mucg happened.

Here's an interesting topic. We have the Radicalz, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro, Dean Malenko, and Perry Saturn. So they were unhappy in WCW, tried desperately to get out of their contracts due to Kevin Sullivan taking off the booking duties. So they sucessfully get out, join the WWF and within a year WCW dies. Some say they were the backbone of WCW and once they left WCW was done for. In the WWF, all four have so sub-par to moderate success. Saturn was a lower card guy, who I believe won the European title. They tried a bit to get Malenko over, but he eventually retired. Guererro was injured at first, got some good success as Latino Heat, then around 2001 got fired, but rehired in 2002. Benoit started off pretty strong got some IC title runs, got hurt, then came back in 2002. In 2004, Saturn was gone from the WWE, Malenko became an agent, Benoit and Guererro explode with the benefit of the WWE backing and become World Champions at the same time with the peak being the hug after the Wrestlemania XX main event. But, in 2005 Eddie passes away. Later on the WWE puts in place a "Wellness Program" shortly after he passes away. Some say it was put in place as a direct result of Eddie's passing. In 2007, Benoit does the unthinkable and murders his wife, child and himself. He was linked to signature pharmacy and well, basically he single handed fucked up the WWE for a short time. The legacy of these four men has certainly changed over the years. With that said, here are a few things to discuss. Did them leaving really kill off WCW for good? What is their legacy, even after the events of 2005 and 2007? If they never joined the WWF in 2000, where would their careers be today? Do you still look at the radicals ever the same again? Especially when you watch their early stuff right after the jumped ship and still look out of place and very WCW like.

That's my problem with it. I assume you don't do a photoset like that without knowing it'll come back and haunt you one day. The whole babes in the woods act is annoying.You may as well be honest about it. I doubt WWE care that much anyway. Considering all the stuff Candice did and nobody seems to mind. Lena's past is also somewhat dubious. What did Lena do?

RVD to me was the guy that solidified that belt when he won it. It had a small chance of revival if all the former ECW guys would feud for it during the invasion but we all know what happened there. The 2000 run for the title was, meh. I liked it when there were longer title runs, like RVD's.

Thank you, thank you very much. At least now with a working understanding, this stuff can be easier to digest.

Ok, first off, WTF? I stopped watching WCW around after the fingerpoke, but thanks to youtube, etc...... I've been watching all the stuff I missed. This time is EXTREMELY confusing to me. Let's start off with some stars. Sting: Why is he a heel? He was never over as a heel and I then I see he turns face a few weeks later. Why, WHY, did they make him heel? Luger: Unless I'm wrong, was his heel run a straight period of all of 1999 and not just a heel than face, than heel turn? Hogan: Was there really a need for Hogan to turn face? Why exactly did he turn again? I thought the nWo reformed after the fingerpoke kept him heel? Bret Hart: Didn't he like turn face and heel a few times during this year? They could've ran with him in 1999, especially after all the Hogan stuff, but did he spend most of 1999 teaming with Hogan? How did these guys go from SO hated to So loved? Sid: What was he? I have a hard time following if he was heel or face? DDP: So he turned heel by cheating after winning the WCW title. Why? It went against EVERYTHINg he believed in, being the people's champion. Someone? Flair: was it 1999 or 2000 when he went to the mental institution? Was this the year he turned heel and face multiple times? Goldberg: Where was he? Injured? Was there another streak he was working on? Those are just a few guys I'm wondering about. In 1998 basically the heels were faces and the faces were heel. Why did WCW go so ass-backwards in 1999? What was Hall and Nash doing for most of 1999 until nWo elite reformed? Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, Eddie, etc............ what were they doing? I know Jericho jumped mid-way in 99, but was it really hard to push the others? The revolution, what was up with that? Man, this confusion is just making it hard to watch all this stuff, I can see why WCW went to hell. I leave with one thought, did Nash book all this shit? If anyone can answer any of these questions, it is MUCH appreciated.

Too bad, this is going to be a big hit. NOW, let them do what they did this year with Cena in 2010. He enters the Rumble, wins the damn thing, and properly gets the main event at Wrestlemania 26.

More: Booker T and Goldust, Tag Titles. These guys were over. All those promos from the nWo until the end. People ate it up. I still don't know why they waited all the way until Armaggedon to do the title change. By then it meant nothing. Kurt Angle, Summerslam 2001. Man, that was one hot match with a stupid ending. Doing it one month later is similar to what happened to Goldberg, they became deflated. Tazz, early 2000. When Angle won both the IC and Euro titles, I think it was natural for Tazz to step in and at least take one of the titles since he did defeat Angle in his debut. He would've made on fine IC champion. Sid, late 91 early 92. After watching the youtube thread with the Sid vs. El Diablo match, shit, he was OVER. Add that on top of the Royal Rumble elimination of Hogan and we have a good candidate for a title. Heck, just seeing Sid vs. Taker circa 91 was something.

Maybe I was one of the exceptions, up in Canada, we didn't really get WCW until 96-97. So I saw nothing of this and knew of the Vader that feuded with Jack and Ron Simmons and Sting. Maybe that was what most of the WWF audience at that time was like too. I'm pretty sure a bunch of them ignored WCW until the stars came into the company and then followed them.

Yeah, this Vader thing bugs me to this day. We have a MONSTER heel coming in. Destroys Monsoon and appears to be definately headed towards a WWF title win. The thing that pisses me off is that Vince blows money away by making Vader LOSE his first match, I believe it was his debut match at the Rumble in 96. He gets elminated clean, no shananigans, nothing. And to Michaels of all people. They shouldn't have crossed pathes that soon. Then at Mania he goes into that 6 man tag match. If ANYTHING, they should've made him have a high prominent match against some singles star. Ahmed perhaps, to start a feud that would pick up later in the year. Warrior? Yeah, job his ass out to Vader. Why? It would give more heat for Vader, and let's be honest, Vince loves the hosses, a Vader vs. Ultimate Warrior feud would be something out of his dreams. Razor Ramon? Yeah, do the match one month earlier and make the burial and last match of Hall going out on a bigger stage. Diesel did the job and looked damn good, making his finisher look weak as Taker kicked out of it twice. Two Razor's Edges don't put away Vader, Vader then Vader Bombs Ramon two times to officially kill the Ramon character and send him packing all the way to WCW. I mean, just give Vader a win streak beating mid-carders and upper level starts until he gets to Shawn and kills him dead. Hell, if I had my way, put him over Bret, and Taker CLEAN too. I miss the days of a dominate heel monster, and Vader was definately one of them back then. Ugh, this Vader run in 96-97 definately still bugs me even now.

I never knew that Best of 2001: Viewer's choice was rare, I bought that for like 12-15 bucks AFTER the WWF became the WWE. I know Mania 17 is up there, but what's the going rate for this DVD? It's really nothing special to me, that's why I'm kind of shocked it's worth something.

Simple question for all. Who did Triple H bury the worst? Your selections are: a) Scott Steiner b) Goldberg c) Kane d) Rob Van Dam e) Booker T. f) Tazz After thinking this over, I think it's safe to say he pretty much buried each guy equally, but after seeing the ECW vs. WWF Championship storyline and the short feud with Tazz vs. Triple H and the snide remarks HHH made about ECW, the title, etc........... man, I think he dead set point blank, killed Tazz's character and gimmick from that point forward. At least for the other 5 they had their reasons. Steiner messed himself up in the ring by stinking it up. HHH wouldn't let Goldberg get over immediately, but hey, we has still a star in WCW years before. Kane lost the mask, and some say never recovered. Also lost the IC title to HHH, but, even as buried, he was never that big to begin with. RVD and Booker were very close to being real stars, but only lost because HHH deemed them not worthy. So at least on air, they didn't get assinated like Tazz. Plus eventually thye both got world titles in 2006, so all is well with these two. Anyone disagree with the Tazz selection?

I keep on hearing over and over that there was a supposed Benoit vs. Tazz feud? Was that really on the horizon? I mean were they really THAT HIGH on Tazz that they would let him defeat Benoit for the IC title.

What was Perfect reason for turning heel in 1994 at Wrestlemania X? Was it really storyline continuation or did he align himself with Yokozuna and Fuji? I'm kind of drawing a blank here, although at least this one counts as not blaming us for this heel turn.

Would the fans buy Mysterio as World Heavyweight Champion even before Eddie died? You had Batista as champion on Smackdown, and before that JBL, Eddie, then Lesnar. Safe to say the big strong guys dominated that show. I don't know how many fans, especially the ones that watched the Lesnar and Batista title runs, buy Mysterio in the heavyweight mold. As for the topic itself, I just thought of two more guys. Vader and Ahmed Johnson. I think both would've been great WWF World Champions, because they were both getting heat in different ways. If only Shawn jobbed it to Vader, I seriously wonder how different 1997 would look, with a Vader vs. Ahmed feud starting the year off. One more as well, Tazz in 2001. Man, after getting shitted and crapped on by Austin, I was hoping that Tazz choked the shit out of Austin and we get ourselves an Austin vs. Tazz feud. Now, I'm not saying that Tazz should've won the belt in 2001, he was sort of damaged goods by then, but at least having him feud with the champion and going from there could make the fans buy him as a world title contender.

What are your moments where it was just the RIGHT time to put a belt on a wrestler? That he was either hot, over with the crowd, or making them some money, yet the promotion didn't go with it, had no faith in them, didn't listen to the fans, or in their terms, deemed them not "ready" or don't work that "main event style". I don't know if this would be THE moment where a company blew it with on superstar, but the one that stands out the most for me was 2001. ROB VAN DAM. Boy, the most over guy during the whole invasion period, crowds kept on getting louder and louder each week. Forget the aborted 2002 run where he should've gotten the title, I think No Mercy 2001 was the perfect time, if ever to make him the WWF Champion. Other ones that stand out for me. Chris Jericho 2000. That Raw in April was PERFECT for Jericho to win. Unfortunately HHH was still feuding with Rock so there really was no sense in making Jericho a transitional champion. Maybe they should've just broken off the HHH-Rock feud into a HHH-Jericho feud post Wrestlemania 2000. Goldberg, Summerslam 2003. The crowd was getting louder and louder for him each and every opponent he put away. But then HHH, injured and all, had to retain via sledgehammer in one of the most selfish and STUPID endings to a match ever. He takes one sweet chin music, does nothing, and pins Goldberg, who destroyed everyone else and rightfully should've gotten the title.

Here's something I wanted to ask, and it seems like the right thread. Was the reason guys like Foley, Austin, Mero and Vader were released was because Bischoff was clearing room and money to offer Hall and Nash huge contracts? It seems back then everyone compared it was a 4 for 2 trade off WCW did. Was there simply not enough money to keep all 6 of them in WCW?

So with Edge coming out with a DVD later in the year, this begs the question, who needs a DVD the most now? Has to be an active wrestler though, we all know which retired wrestlers deserve a DVD. Choices: Batista: arguably the guy who carried the Smackdown title and well, he's had a fine career. Some very matches can be had on DVD such as HHH, HBK, and Undertaker. Been around long enough to deserve one DVD if Cena already has two. Chris Jericho: since he's NEVER had a real DVD, that one in 2000 doesn't count, now here is a guy who badly needs one. From matches with Michaels, Rock, Angle, Cena, HHH, here's a guy who has a full list of matches that are ready to be put on DVD. I must say before I started this thread I felt there must've been more guys who need a DVD, but that's about it on the active roster from what I can see from all three brands. Looks like every other big star has had a DVD out recently or within the last year or two.