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    The Youtube Thread

    Kurt Angle Mocks John Cena
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    WWE ends relationship with DSW

    Davis's lack of time outside of the South had nothing to do with his ability and everything to do with his size; he was 5'9 and maybe 200lbs, and that meant he wasn't going to get a look up North. Jim Cornette managed Davis as part of a tag team and Cornette has called them the best team he managed that weren't the Midnight Express. Considering Cornette also manged Owen and Davey Boy and The Heavenly Bodies, that's pretty strong praise. Not only that, Davis was a heck of a promo guy, as shown in OVW a few years ago during the two-year storyline of Doug Basham trying to take a piece of the company. Danny Davis is more than qualified to be a trainer of talent. That's true of pretty much all sports....The best coaches were on the Bench during their playing days...Phil Jackson, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, and others like them....The Best players seem to make the most awlful coaches w/ very few exceptions....I can't see the Undertaker training anyone to wrestle or Stone Cold or Triple H....Val Venis and Stevie Richards however are gonna train future Gods of wrestling...
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    Top Ten Draws In U.S. Wrestling

    I don't have a problem w/ Cena....But there is no Way he's the number 9 draw over the past 30 years
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    Top Ten Draws In U.S. Wrestling

    I hate when people say this....Wrestling itself during the early 90s couldnt draw anything....Ric Flair and others seem to use this against Bret and say he wasnt a draw...Kevin Nash suffered from this too when he had his title reign...I was a Bret and Diesel Mark back in the day..didnt know what financials were...just thought they were cool...I remember seeing Highlights of when the WWF went overseas on their yearly tours and Bret Hart being Mobbed by fans EVERYWHERE he went..You just don't see that now...Put it like this..If John Cena was around in the early 90s would he be a major draw? Drawing is inaccurate in my opinion.....The Company Initials sell the tickets...
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    Top Ten Draws In U.S. Wrestling

    I don't think that there has been a legitimate draw in the company in quite some time. It's the brand and name recognition that draws over anything else. I think guys like Cena, HHH, Batista, Hogan and Taker can draw when given an interesting angle to work with, but I don't think there are many fans who buy tickets just to see them regardless of what they are doing. I agree with these guys. Once you get past the elite, historic, no-doubt-about it draws that were clearly responsible for making their company a ton of money (Bruno, Andre, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Vince, etc. and to a lesser extent Flair, Bret, Michaels, HHH, Taker, Cena, etc.) and the landscape-changing angles over the course of history (the rise of Hulkamania, the nWo, Austin vs. Vince, etc.), I really don't think there's any reliable way to quantify who exactly is bringing people to the arena and who is causing people to order the PPVs. Once you get past the very top at the most profitable times, everything else is really just baseless speculation. How many times have PPVs (and in the heyday, house shows) sold out within hours of tickets going on sale, months before the card is announced? Maybe it's been a little different since the brand extension, but the average ticket-buyer knows months ahead of time that all the main stars will be there. Who's to say people that bought tickets for Backlash 2000 six months before the event, did it just to see the Rock vs. HHH? Maybe Jericho and Big Show were their favorites to watch on TV and they didn't care much about The Rock. Who knows? Granted, that's just one hypothetical example. And yes, it's safe to say that MORE people cared about the Rock than the Big Show. But the point is, one guy is never responsible for selling EVERY ticket in the arena. Merchandise is one fairly effective method with which to judge someone's popularity. If you sell a lot of merchandise, you're clearly popular and making the company money. It may not tell the whole story; after all, a t-shirt may sell better (or worse) if it looks cool (or hideous), regardless of whose name is on it. But I think this is at least a better way to evaluate midcarders and semi-main eventers as "draws" over something like TV ratings, buyrates, or attendance. Even so, having extensive merchandise available for so many guys is a fairly recent phenomenon. There are certainly guys that have found a niche, in terms of drawing. For example, Rey and Eddie drew hispanic viewers. The Hardyz, the Rockers, Strike Force, or any other pretty boy tag team over the years have done their job of drawing kids and girls. The divas draw in teenage guys. RVD is an example of a guy that has a strong cult following. But when it comes to definitely ranking people other than the all-time greats, with dollar figures or any sort of meaningful statistics, it's impossible. If there were any way to do that and such numbers actually existed, you'd be able to definitively tell me who was the bigger draw at any given time between the following: Tito Santana or Greg Valentine? Jake The Snake or Big Boss Man? Razor Ramon or the British Bulldog? Rikishi or Kane? There's no way to answer any of those questions. Any answer anyone gives will just be speculation, opinion, and personal preference, and has nothing to do with any sort of factual evidence. For instance, I've seen someone like Kane jump onto a few top ten lists. Well, he's a fairly big name in the industry... possibly a top ten name I suppose. But how is it possible to even rank him as any sort of draw? I mean, have any of you actually ever bought a ticket, or bought a PPV, or even turned on Raw JUST to see Kane? I mean, really? When I was a kid (early 90's), my friends and I went to a couple house shows just because there was going to be a show. We didn't know the cards at first. We just wanted to go. So, which wrestler was responsible for "drawing" us into the arena for those shows? I'm not going to shortchange the success guys like Austin and Rock had, but I personally never bought a single PPV to see either of them. I've never liked Austin and I'm usually pretty indifferent to the Rock's matches. But when they were on top, I bought the PPV's mainly out of habit, the desire to see matches longer than three minutes, and the "what's gonna happen next" aspect. My main favorites at the time were Jericho, Angle, and Edge & Christian. And I knew I'd get quality matches from guys like Benoit, Eddie, Malenko, HHH, the Hardyz, etc. That's why I bought the shows, and watched the TV, and bought a ticket to Raw. I couldn't have been the ONLY one that felt this way. Or the only one that had been a fan of wrestling for a long time and found it exciting that it was suddenly popular again. A lot of times, a PPV buyrate is judged solely by its main event. Sometimes, that's a perfectly reasonable way to evaulate it. Say, for a show like Canadian Stampede. But for some shows, where there are multiple main events, an unusually strong undercard, or established name value (Wrestlemania, Royal Rumble), it really doesn't make a lot of sense to just take the main event into consideration. And even when it is acceptable to judge a show just on its main event, there can be problems. Like those shows that have the Elimination Chamber. There's six guys in there. Which one of them sold the show? Did the cage sell it? A lot of times, buyrates, attendance, and money drawn can be a group effort that's not easily assigned to one or two guys. And it really can be a group effort frequently. I'm not going to deny the success of Hogan, Austin and the Rock. The two "booms" were in the late 80s and late 90s, and they had everything to do with that. But it's interesting to note that during those two periods, the WWE's midcard and tag team division were deeper and better than they were at any other point in time. I don't think that's a coincidence. When Hogan was champion, there were legitimate semi-stars like Mr. Perfect, Jake the Snake, Boss Man, DiBiase, Beefcake, etc. The tag division was loaded with Demolition, the Hart Foundation, the Rockers, Legion of Doom, Brainbusters, etc. Austin and Rock had (not to mention each other), Angle, Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero, Kane, Big Show, DX, Edge & Christian, the Hardyz, the Dudleyz, the Acolytes, Too Cool & Rikishi, etc. I'm just saying, it's not like the boom periods happened with Hogan, Rock, and Austin on a show with a few other semi-talented guys and then a bunch of scrubs. Top to bottom, the roster was loaded more than ever at those points in time, and that definitely helped, because if there was a top guy you didn't like, you had plenty of worthy alternatives to follow. And remember, there were long periods of time where Rock was gone making movies, Austin was out with an injury, Taker was out with an injury, and Foley actively retired, and business never took a significant hit. Doesn't that say something about the balance they had going at that point? The point is, I think a lot of times the concept of "drawing" is misunderstood or misrepresented. I agree.....I have tickets for One Night Stand in June in Jacksonville....No Card......Just because its WWE....That's that draw for me.....Ive attented 1 Clash of the Champions....1 WWE House Show..1 Superstars Taping/PPV redo...1 SmackDown!/ECW taping.....Never knowing who was gonna be there or who there were wrestling....The Company Initials got me to buy the ticket not the wrestlers on the Card...
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    ESPN sucks, so do thread closers

    After watching this first season of American Gladiators on classic... Billy Wirth=God His interviews are Gold even in his Calm relaxed tone...
  7. I guess we wont be seeing Jimmy for a while.....But where I live if you look hard enough..You can find Women's Extreme Wrestling late on Fridays....
  8. Jeff is definetly top 5 as far as face pops go in the company....see the MITB Cutting Edge before WM......I don't care what anyone says....That ladder match Jeff had w/ the Undertaker back in 2002 or 2003 on Raw changed the way I look at Jeff.....I never felt someone deserved at least 1 or 2 week Title reign like that before or Since....
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    Wii

    same thing happened to me when I was trying to kill the ball playing Tiger w/ my created golfer and wasnt strapped up.....I thought I just lost $40...I just put the Wiimote back together and the only Blemish is that the little plastic cover for the sensor on top of the wiimote has a slight chip......
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    oAo Monday Night Raw thread- 4/16/07

    *Ponders about the inevitable Cryme Tyme/Don Imus Spoof*
  11. World Heavyweight Championship Batista© vs The Undertaker WWE Championship John Cena© vs Shawn Michaels Battle of the Billionaires(Hair vs Hair) Bobby Lashley w/ Donald Trump vs Umaga w/ Vince McMahon Money in the Bank Ladder match Randy Orton vs Ken Kennedy vs Fit Finlay vs Matt Hardy vs Jeff Hardy vs Booker T vs CM Punk vs Edge ECW Originals vs The New Breed WWE Women's Championship(LumberJill Match) Ashley Massaro vs Melina© Monster vs Monster Kane vs Great Khali United States Championship Chris Benoit© vs MVP
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    oAo ECW on Sci-Fi Thread -- 4/10/2007

    ....thats really Layla? She looks EXTREMELY different than what I remember. Did she get facial surgery or something? it's the hair..seriously
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    oAo Monday Night Raw Thread -- 4/9/2007

    So Raw next week is on Same Day Tape Delay....
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    Booker taking some time off for injuries

    Anarchy in the SmackDown! Kingdom.....What will we do without our Beloved King..
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    I don't buy this...80,000+ seems legit....the Detroit Free Press said at the beginning of the week that 76,000+ tickets were sold...the WWE also released standing room only tickets for $25....they could definetly sell 4000+ tickets for $25 a pop for an Event as Large as WrestleMania in a matter of days.. I believe that if no matter what Mania drew, Meltzer would say a lesser amount even though it's not that big of a deal And Vince would never lie about an attendance..... Didnt they sell like 60,000 at the initial sale...you mean to tell me that they only sold 8500 since then...they used the same strategy that Michigan State vs Kentucky used when they set the record at Ford Field....Cheap tickets just for those who want to be apart of history...Anyone couldve picked up $25 dollar ticket to WrestleMania...You'd be crazy not to if you were a wrestling fan or just someone who wanted something to do on a Sunday evening...
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    I don't buy this...80,000+ seems legit....the Detroit Free Press said at the beginning of the week that 76,000+ tickets were sold...the WWE also released standing room only tickets for $25....they could definetly sell 4000+ tickets for $25 a pop for an Event as Large as WrestleMania in a matter of days.. I believe that if no matter what Mania drew, Meltzer would say a lesser amount even though it's not that big of a deal
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    6'5 240lbs is too skinny? What has become of the world....
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    not really..Cena had the hold on for a while ..them shawn made it to the ropes...then at the end he had it on a while before hbk tapped..hardly quickly if you consider he was already in the hold a few minutes prior
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    if it were the LionTamer..Then you'd be in Business..i see what you mean though...Im not a Cena hater...But he has the most non convincing finishing moves for a guy who's pushed as an Invincible champion
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    *Smackdown Spoilers*

    Where are these people getting there info. I swear this is the second time that Kane was suppose to get squashed and take time off....
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    That 80,103 figure is legit....They were 76,000+ sold according to the Detroit Free Press at the beginning of the week...That's when they put out the Standing room only tickets for $25.......easily coulve sold 4,000 25 dollar tickets for an event like this in less than a week...
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    i doub t it...they were selling $25 standing room only tickets....anyone in the Detroit area who wanted to be apart of something special couldve bought a ticket for that price..cheaper than paying for it on PPV
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    OAO WrestleMania 23 Thread-April 1st, 2007

    Stream Please.....the website the other one was using please?
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