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I'm going to claim responsibility for all unkown gimmicks if no one else does.

So was Prime ever found out to be "one of us?"

That sucks.

I hate being "that guy," but my DVR cut off the last minute or so, even though I thought I had set it up to record longer than it should. Can someone tell me briefly what happened after Peter and Sylar activated their powers? Thanks!

I was just as bad as the "IT"S THE WATCHMEN" guy in the heroes thread. No matter how hard I tried, I kept feeding into the argument by pointing out where he was wrong.

The reason they took Kate, Sawyer and Jack has been explained. Jack was needed to perform the surgery on Ben. Kate and Sawyer were used as a means to get Jack to do the surgery.

Boris Alexiev, a Russian grappler that had some good suplexes, strikes, and used an armbar submission that appeared to break opponents' arms (he twisted the arm at the last minute so that it bent naturally at the elbow, but it appeared to hyperextend it severely.).

My girlfriend hates wings and any chicken or meat on the bone. Guess she just gets too much bone at home. HIIIIIYYYYOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Curry already answered your question, Mole.

Damn, is that the guy that runs that site? LOL

No, I changed the location to California because that was the site of Luthor's scheme. And the parallel I was going for was each man's personal agenda. Linderman doesn't care if it benefits humanity or not. He knows it will be the catalyst to getting a man he can control into the President's chair. So my point is Luthor didn't care about the millions killed as long as it helped him out. Neither does Linderman. If he had said California instead of New York, would you really tie it in to Watchmen so easily? Now earlier in this thread, you said that him saying "half of New York" was a big part of it. Just the word "half" was a major point you brought up. So would it really be the same? Be honest here. Did you get the Ozymandias vibe from Luthor's declaration of his master plan in Superman? Because there was going to be an explosion killing millions just so one man could accomplish what he wanted. I swore pages ago that I was going to stop discussing this, and I have begged you to take the discussion somewhere else. Let's do this in PM, Chocolate Socket, start a new thread, or something. We have seriously derailed the thread.

I messed up earlier by defining my own analogies. Here ya go: buffet = bomb New York = breakfast California = dinner That being clear, you still didn't answer the question.

Agreed 100%

The question I was talking about was the California and Luthor scenario. I can't believe that you're getting me to keep talking about this. At no point is anyone saying there are not similarities, but it is not a blatant rip off. By the way, you mis interpreted my analogies: breakfast buffet = bomb in New York restaurant business = entertainment through media color scheme = superhero genre I am not asking you to take out the bomb plot. Obviously, a kindergartener could deduce that would make it entirely not like Watchmen. What I (and others) are trying to get you to understand is that a specific scene of a show had a similarity to the major plan in Watchmen. There is a bomb in New York, and if it goes off, one man will have a big personal gain. Both shows are about superhero types. However, the entire plot, circumstances, characters, etc. are so totally different that it is unfair to say they are stealing from Watchmen. Now, for the last time, could we please drop this, discuss it elsewhere, or whatever. I can't convince you to see my points, and you aren't making any further points since your first post. Let's please get back to discussing the show Heroes without talking about a book from 20 years ago.

Stop feeding the argument, guys. He clearly ignored a major point I made through a question, and didn't respond because he couldn't answer it and still have a valid argument. You'll never win this argument with him, so let's just discuss the show.

Shit, I wish I wouldn't have scrolled over that spoiler. I can usually contain myself and wait for the episode, but I read it this time.

Oh, I think that, as well. But, I believe they will somehow contain it to where Sylar and perhaps only one hero will die in the blast.

I somehow get the feeling that Sylar will steal Ted's nuclear abilities but cannot control it like the hearing thing, and he will be the one that blows up. I think we are being led to believe it will be Peter, but in the end it won't be.

I really am finished discussing that subject with you. You can say you won if you would like to. We are getting nowhere. You neglected half of the points that I brought up. Here is what it has been like so far: "That new restaurant really blatantly stole from that old one there, didn't it? I mean, They started serving an all you can buffet twenty years ago, and this trendy new restaurant comes around using the same color pattern as the old restaurant, and then all of a sudden...here they are serving an all you can eat breakfast buffet!" "The fact that they both serve breakfast buffets is about all they have in common." "But the other one had it first!" "True, and that might have inspired this new restaurant to do an a breakfast buffet, but they are not blatantly stealing from them. Lots of places have had the breakfast buffet as a signature of their menu. It's fairly common." "No, no, no. You aren't listening to me. They are the SAME." "No they're not. They both have a breakfast buffet, but this new restaurant has a totally different buffet. You are just focused on the fact that they have the same color pattern and they are in the same business." "How can you say they did not intentionally steal the idea from the old restaurant?" "I agree that the old restaurant came up with it before the newer restaurant. But they are hardly the first restaurant to use that as a staple of their menu. Like I said, you are focused on the fact they have the same color pattern for the restaurant. Everything else about the situation is different. If they had the same color pattern, were in the same business, but the newer restaurant had a dinner buffet and no breakfast buffet...would they steal be blatantly stealing from them?" "Does no one listen to me? They are both using red as the color scheme!" And with that, I am bowing out of this conversation. If everyone else does as well, we can get back to discussing Heroes without this petty argument.

Because so far it has only been one scene in Heroes, where a guy with powers says that the explosion will kill "half" of New York. End of similarity. Ozymandias had no superpowers. He was a retired masked crimefighter with above average intelligence and athleticism. He faked an alien attack that blew up New York in order to convince the world that we needed masked heroes or superheroes. Linderman is a corrupt mobster that uses his nefarious influences to gain more power and such. The world does not know that once had superpowers (and still currently does, but the fact that he has powers differs him from Ozymandias). He "knows" about a person blowing himself up like a nuclear bomb. He wants it to happen because he thinks it will allow Peter to get to the White House and be Linderman's puppet. So far, from the previews, it shows that if this happens, the world will outlaw superheroes. What are the common areas? One man states that "half" of New York getting blown up will allow him a personal gain, and in both mediums, the subject was "comic-book-style heroes." If he had said California instead of New York, would it have instead ripped off Lex Luthor's plan in Superman?

I posted moronic posts on purpose to denote how stupid the argument is. Heroes pays homage to just about every comic or superhero out there in subtle ways. It HAS to. I know you said you will still watch it, but almost all of us think you are way off by saying it is a blatant ripoff of Watchmen. They weren't stealing their thunder at all. You know why it was set in New York? That city is invariably thought of as USA's city. It just is! Not to mention that lots of comics are set in New York or a city that is modeled after it. If Watchmen dropped a bomb in Huntington, WV and Heroes did the same thing...you've got a case. But for now, why don't we all just agree to drop it and discuss the show?

Linderman is a mobster that owns a casino. I bet DeNiro is PISSED~!

They shouldn't have had anyone with superpowers, because it blatantly steals from comics in general. And not the Carlos Menstealia comics...I mean the paper ones.

I know I sure as fuck hated Star Wars because Kurosawa did Hidden Fortress first. I'm sorry, I mean I'll still watch it, but they blatantly stole from Hidden Fortress and it sucks because Hidden Fortress hasn't been given a Box Office release yet.

The blank book is my new favorite post on here EVUH!