Atticus Chaos

Yes, but you didn't say 'from me', you sounded like you meant it generally. And saying 'I think he draws more of an actual hate' sounds like your talking about your view of other fans rather than yourself.

Sunny will return. Nattie Neidhart will get called up. Jeff Hardy won't win the title. Jillian Hall will win the women's title (she's a better heel than Beth and her gimmick is taking off) Edge will reveal he was after Vickie for the power that came along with it, rather than out of love. CM Punk will get moved to Raw. Morrison will get the ECW title. Khali will leave the company.

Out of interest: how can you know what type of heat someone is drawing, unless you go around and ask each person why they're booing them? Not neccessarily about Orton or Edge, but that's something that's always annoyed me whenever someone says 'he was drawing x pac heat.'

Great matches with Cena, RVD, Edge, Triple H and HBK, I guess. Also, he's the best seller in that company by far, in my humble opinion.

I think you're right about him being insecure, why else would he feel the need to come out and defend WWE against steroid allegations? I know Chavo and some others did it as well, but he was by far the most passionate and vocal about it. Back in July his position in the company was secure anyway, he didn't need brownie points with Vince. I thought this was an interesting tidbit by Alvarez... Shawn is unlikely to give him his seal of approval, but his match at Armageddon was fine. Maybe sending him over to ECW might be a good idea, it'll give him some time to help gain his confidence and find himself as a wrestler. For whatever reason he can't do that on Raw.

from f4w...

You'd think the mere fact that he'd pissed off Shawn Michaels would been enough to scare some sense into him. He's been there roughly 2 years, which is more than enough time to realise HBK's one of last people you'd want angry with you.

It might not be fair to call Kennedy dangerous because it's not like he's injurying guys all time, but he is dangerous in the sense he has a reckless ring style that could lead to someone getting hurt (and possibly already has if you consider the Cena injury his fault). I'm really surprised a road agent hasn't sat him down and told him to knock it off. He basically made many of the same mistakes he made in the last match with Hardy and HBK. I can only assume they are and he's ignoring them for whatever reason.

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/4645/105/ (to listen to the stream) http://www.f4wonline.com/free/121807bvshow.mp3 (to download it) Bryan Alvarez with another funny rant about Kennedy, regarding his performance last night. About twnty minutes it.

He's trying to get a cheque out of Heyman? Good luck to him.

Yes, Benoit never took a chair shot in WCW, ECW or in Japan. It's all WWE's fault.

What has Lashley done to deserve a dvd?

People can say 'it's all Russo's fault' but I thought it was Jeff Jarrett and Dutch doing the all booking? And Russo's job is just to turn into a tv show. Heck, you could even say he's doing a good job considering impact manages to be semi coherent.

Getting a deal on Spike TV Getting Spike to expand their timeslot to two hours Doing well in the ratings DVD's in national chains International tv deals. Going into new markets for PPV and drawing well Toy deal Video game on the way Making women's wrestling in America actually mean something for the first time in a long time. Introducing us to the comic genius that is Kevin Nash Yeah, you're right. They've done nothing at all.

As a ppv seller, it sucks. There's no positive way to spin that and I didn't say there was. However, just because their ppv sales are low, should we dismiss everything else they've accomplished?

You must have missed my comments where I said it wasn't much of a victory at all... Or when I said in the other thread they were dumb not to follow up on Samoa Joe's promo... Or when I said TNA were nowhere near a threat to WWE...or when I said they should stop taking all these cheap shots at WWE...or when I said the ppv buys sucked... Should TNA have improved in the ratings by now? Almost certainly. However, they have managed to hold onto to their audience and even retained it for a second hour. And, for a cable show on prime time Thursday night, get more than respectable ratings. Which is something they don't get enough credit for. I consider TNA superior to ECW because TNA didn't have the wwe marketing machine behind them, nor did they have over 3 million viewers to start with and quickly drove them away, eventually having to resort to bringing in smackdown stars to get the ratings up. TNA could be doing better, but they're not doing nearly as badly as some people are making out.

Losing half your viewers when you have the backing of the WWE machine behind you is bad. And they have the smackdown roster as well. I know the ratings for raw on sci fi weren't great but they still managed to stay above 3.0 didn't they? You make it sound like things have drastically changed. Now we have Kelly botching every second move, Big Daddy V, Mark Henry...etc. I liked the Morrison/Punk matches but even I was sick of that by their 345th match. ECW still has a lot of problems. Maybe more so than before, because even though it sucked it was still doing good ratings. Now its sucks and isn't doing the terrific ratings they once where. And, despite the smackdown additions, I can only see those ratings going down further or possibly holding steady. The idea of them getting over 2.0s again seems unthinkable at this point.

If you do want to dismiss the tna factor entirely, the fact that more than half your audience don't care enough to find out if it was pre-empted is a pretty bad sign. I think they would have expected it to be lower, but even a lot of people on here where thinking 0.9 or 1.0. A 0.6 is horrible.

Jeff Jarret claims tna get one legal letter a week about calling Christian 'Captain Charisma' or not to call their rosters 'superstars' and challanging other TNA trademarks. That's not treating them like they don't exist. Vince also flipped out when he found out spike where running impact adverts on raw prior to them showing tna. And there has been cases where they've signed or kept on useless talent simply because they don't want them to leave and go to TNA(Haas,Carlito). If Vince is annoyed as I think he'll be, he'll have to choices: blame the writers, or blame the ECW name which he resents anyway. Which do you think it'll be? As for ECW not needing improvement, in 18 months they've went from 2.7 to 1.1s,...you don't think that's a problem? Where did all those viewers go?

I'm not a big fan of the invisble camera, but I don't particularly like tna's approach either. Like Crystal having to be there with her mic, to pick up all the major plot developments, we end up seeing her in like 6 segments a night because they have to explain so much of the plot and it comes off as so forced. I remember you used to get Jeff Jarrett 'accidentely' reveal his heel plans while in the middle of an interview. That's not much better. I think all tv shows have different rules to adhere to. CSI couldn't have a midget running through a wall, kids shows can't have murders, and Lost couldn't run a Katie Vick angle either. Heck, I remember they wanted to do a necrophilliac story on the x files but fox said they couldn't even hint at it let alone explore the issue. But in terms of contiunity, story telling and character development then all tv shows, including WWE, should try and stick to the rules. They sort of did it at suvivor series when HHH pointed out all the bad things he'd done to Kane and Jeff, but that the bigger picture (defeating the other team) was more important than what happened in the past.

That has been said, but honestly I'm not sure how true that it is. Guys hating each other one month and the next they're best freinds? That's happened on every daytime soap you can name. Guys turning on their freinds? Happened on Lost. The same rules of story telling apply to raw as they do to heroes or BSG. Granted, WWE and TNA often ignore things that other tv shows do (character development, continuity,) but it doesn't mean it can't work if they made only the effort. And it's not like tv writers writing wrestling doesn't work. People tend to look at Stephanie team of Hollywood rejects as an example of how it can't, but Chris Kreski wrote for wwe in 1999 and 2000 and his work is remembered fondly. It's not bringing in tv writers that's the problem. It's brining in bad tv writers. I'm not arguing they've failed to do anything with it (unless this is a slow burning angle, but I doubt it) but when Alvarez wrote that, shortly after it happened I assume, how could he immediately dismiss it as a failure that no one could get? Especially considering it wasn't a promo filled with insider references. If Joe had started talking about the clique or WCW then I would agree that 99% of people wouldn't get it. But for the most part, he kept it current, kept it simple and everyone walked away having an idea what he was pissed about. It didn't alienate anyone who felt they didn't have all the info. Yes, casuals fans wouldn't understand the concept of a work/shoot but then, do they have to? It was a better shoot promo than most, because it worked on both levels: the interent fans and the casual fans both would have gotten it. Which is different to russo's work in wcw where only 1% got it and the rest where wondering what was going on. It's dumb that they havn't done anything with it, but the promo itself I don't have a problem with.

For cable, a 1.1 is pretty good. Adult swim and the daily show get similar numbers from what I understand. The fact that they can keep up that rating for two hours has to have increased spike's faith in them. True, the havn't increased their audience but they have lost any either (as opposed to ecw, who have lost more than half since they started). The funny thing is, even though everyone knows this isn't much of a victory for TNA, I think Vince is still going to be unhappy about this. WWE have been treating TNA like a threat for years even though they're nowhere close to being one. They're still not a real threat to WWE by any means, but this is their first win over wwe, even if it is tainted one. I think he'll react one of two ways a) improve ECW and treat it less like the red headed step child of wwe or b) blame the ECW name for putting people off, and scrap it.

Why? Regular tv shows break the fourth wall all the time. Live tv has plenty of moment where people go off script. People have no problem understanding those incidents. So, what's so difficult to understand about Joe cutting a non scripted promo?

People would have been lining up to criticise TNA if it had lost to ECW in the ratings ('TNA can't even beat the c show, they suck...etc) and now that they held steady people are still having a go at them. It's not a huge accomplishment, but it proved that their regular audience will choose impact over another wrestling show. And for all the talk of ECW not being adverstised it was mentioned last week on ecw, raw, smackdown and wwe.com this week. Dixie Carter has been claiming they've been making a small profit for a while. Granted, that doesn't mean it's true but it's what she's saying. I'm not that sure if the spike deal has changed now that it's two hous and they do get ad money. They're ppv buy rates suck though, I won't deny that.

The guy's suicide note No, dude. You'll be famous for about a week and then quickly forgetten about. This time next month people will barely recognise your name. Guys like him, Cho, Harris... make my skin crawl. They're self pity is sickening, and for all they're whining about their own pain they don't care about the massive amount of hurt they cause to their victims families. Oh, yeah and not even sticking around and avoiding the consequences. I hope one day they take one of these shooter types alive, and he's made to face the consequnces of what he's done. Seriously, I'd like to see just one of them taken alive and made to face the families of his victims. And don't even give them the death penality, lock them up in a tiny cell for the rest of their natural lives when all they want to do is die.