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Adonis did not hang around long but he was there long enough to work with Beefcake a few times. I believe Meltzer was referring to Andre as the worst. JYD was not bad before all the weight gain. He was huge in the south, not easy for a black wrestler even into the 1980s. He knew how to entertain but his skills went south quick and his ring personality wasn't enough to carry him.

I don't even remember Reed being a contender. Maybe something could have been built to him taking it. Remember at that time the IC belt actually meant something, Steamboat or whoever the champ was meant #2 in the company, not in the teens like the current IC champ.

Heard that too at the time, but I just don't see how it could have worked for more than a few weeks if that long, even if NWO nitro had worked.

Never heard that. Maybe he was at the beauty salon. Can't believe Honky would have just gotten the belt instead, they'd have just had Steamboat beat him and retain. I was watching a MidSouth tape just over the weekend, great stuff by "Hacksaw Butch Reed" and he did well in WCW in Doom. Wasted in WWF but maybe he was at fault too if your info is right. He's still competing, last I heard.

I get amused on here a lot how things "will never get over" before they really even start. Sometimes it turns out that way, Fake Kane, sometimes not, Umaga. I'm willing to give anything new a chance.

New Jack is not needed, not on Raw or on ECW. Mustafa, havent heard anything about him in years.

I'm in the South and I know Murdoch is a character. So were Hillbilly Jim, etc.

You can't be serious. I am black and I was offended by that whole promo. It was racist and very stupid!! They're playing up the stereotype. That's nothing worse than I've seen in the videos of rap stars the kids watch.

They need to bring psychosis and super crazy back in masks. Saw a replay of Smackdown, it comes on at odd hours here. Long story short, liked everything but the Guerrero stuff but like somebody said at least it was short. The segment, not Rey. I think Vito is there for JBL to make cracks on.

I looked up MidSouth so I wouldn't just be starting a new thread and found this one even though it's old. I watch a MidSouth tape today, around 4 hour of it with 2 to go. Totally enjoyed it. Looked to be around 1982, I can look up the matches/feuds and find that. Ted DiBiase was on it more than anyone, as a face then as a heel. Enjoyed him as both. Good, intense interviews too. Other talent included Jake Roberts, Hacksaw Duggan, Dusty, Orndorff (I'm not putting out a bounty on DiBiase, it's a reward), Andre, Bob Orton Jr, the Freebirds, Butch Reed, Bob Roop, Tully Blanchard, the Iron Sheik, Kerry Von Erich, lots more. Biggest pops went to the Junkyard Dog, if you've not seen his old matches you wouldn't believe how the crowd went crazy, whether it was in a studio or an arena. Duggan started in MS as a heel, I didn't remember that until seeing it. Strangest thing after seeing the wrestlers age over the years was how thin many of them were, how they could move in there. Neidhart, Duggan, Roberts, Gordy, JYD could all fly around the ring. Even the Iron Sheik was in good shape. Roberts had short trunks, I'd never seen them on him. Probably weighed only 190-200 pounds at a legit 6'3 or 6'4. Good angles, good action, commentary by Bill Watts (such as that Jap manager got what was coming to him, very PC). Thought the fans would lynch Michael Hayes after the JYD was "blinded" after one match. Just good stuff all around, even the squashes served their purpose.

It happens. Sad but a fact. What I feel bad about too is that most that remember Adonis, if at all, just remember his gay act/feud with Piper, then a terrible run in the AWA. He had really strong tag teams with Dick Murdoch in the WWF, just a couple of years before "coming out of the closet", and before that had what I thought was an even better team with Ventura. I was watching an old SNME the other night and Adonis was against Piper, Ventura was announcing and said something to the effect of you can't judge a book by its cover with Adonis, and you can tell by the tone of his voice it wasn't just the usual pulling for the heels. I bet Ventura was very bothered by the waste of a good wrestler.

The crowd just kills this show for me.

If he acts like it's the worst thing in the world every time it happens, it takes away some of the effect.

I watched an old match last night of Savage-Roberts, both heels, fighting for the IC belt. Ventura and Vince did a great job of hyping how bad both wanted the belt, how it was important. Now in a Carlito match or whoever the champ is-I honestly don't know-you'll get JR and the King talking about DX or the divas. If you dont stress how important it is, the casual fans surely won't get it.

The Gandolfini thing was reported on the news yesterday, it was kind of a big deal to anyone that cares about award shows (not me) because the voting process was somehow changed to give newcomers and actors "who've been overlooked" a better chance to win. How, I don't know, but I guess affirmative action has hit awards shows. Anyway, all that is piped in to him so he says it or loses his job, don't blame him.

I think the Ventura feuding with the coach thing was pretty late in the season and the ratings had been going south. The bashing I remember more than anything was a dropped pass in the end zone from week one, ESPN especially showed this again and again through the whole season as an example of how bad the play was. You'll find a dropped pass like that in every game of the season in the NFL this year, but that doesn't mean the players are bad. Saturday night was bad too, I saw more than one half on a Saturday night just one time, but it was a great game, an overtime game with the LA team and the fans enjoyed it. I usually watched the Sunday games and I got to attend two, loved it and it was at a reasonable cost too. Arena and NFL Europe get network games now, but like the other person said, you don't hear ESPN carrying on about how the play is second rate and doesn't need to be aired. One last thing, the play improved a ton by the end of the season, naturally because the players had more time working together. If you took all the NFL players, shuffled them and put them on different teams, you'd get no consistent play for a while, just like the XFL was at the start.

Don't blame him for getting fed this stuff.

The Rundown wasn't bad. The one with Travolta was pretty good but he wasn't one of the main stars. Haven't seen Doom, probably won't. I liked Walking Tall, it was what it was, didn't try to be Shakespeare.

I think it's coming, I might be wrong but I don't think they'll send him off without giving Dinsmore a chance as a heel. Too much ability in the ring.

I think I read there will be a replay at 11 Eastern on USA? I haven't been in long and didn't want to start watching until the replay (if there is one). Watching an old Saturday Night's main event right now, Jake Roberts vs Savage, heel vs heel. Great prematch interview by Roberts, something along the lines of "you know a lot of men shake my hand, but very few shake it twice" to Mean Gene.

You should talk to anyone that trained there, but not to ones still involved with the group since they could have a motive for you to go there too ($$).

I don't see any more true competition, ever, to the WWE. The few talents left with true star power, most are on their way out or have already left. There aren't many out there to build a new promotion around, and if they have potential, I don't see a new promotion having the patience to wait on them to get established. If someone had a lot of money and the legal stuff was all good, Lesnar, Jericho would be a good pair to have at the top but again I don't see another company having the money to do that for very long.

If he comes back, I don't think anyone will have to worry about him being in the midcard.

The XFL was better than casual sports fans thought, and better than the likes of ESPN-which is tied too close to the NFL to be objective-would have ever admitted. Yes it was buried. Yes the ratings were bad but I do think it would have developed into a fun alternative, just like Arena ball. A whole lot of the players were college stars, and while that's a huge drop from NFL play, they didn't just forget how to play the game once they got out of college.

The more wrestlers out there who can get a regular paycheck, the better.