The Return of Rock?

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

Andrew WK is awful. His CD is just the same song 12 times. I don't see why everyone is sucking his cock so hard. His CD has no memorable guitar licks, no riffs, and no good music.

 

Rock isn't dead, you just have to know where to look for it. Bands like The Strokes, SOAD, Black Label Soceity, Iced Earth, and others assure that rock has a great future.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

I hate this kind of pretentious fucking mentality for three reasons:

1.  "Undergound" falsely implies that whatever bands you're talking about(i.e. The ones YOU like) are playing to some vastly different audience than any other unsigned band or indy level band trying to make it.

 

Which leads me to:

 

2.  The goal of these bands is to make it to the MAINSTREAM.  Just like anybody in any field,(music, movies,wrestling,  business, plumbing etc...) they are trying to be successful.  If you're not selling a ton of  CD's, you AIN'T successful.  It doesn't matter how "innovative",  a band is.  The reasons that guys form a band today are exactly the same as they have been for the last forty years.  To obtain girls, fame, and money.  Anybody in a band that says otherwise is LYING.  

 

3.  Anything that is undergournd right now, will be mainstream three to five years.  That's the way it always has been and always will be.

What fucking mentality to do you speak of? All I'am trying to say is that Rock isn't dead, just because MTV don't play their videos. There are plenty of underground rock bands out there that are making music IMO, that is better and far more innovative than the music on the radio.

 

It's like most people think the 80s sucked. And it was just the mainstream Hairmetal and New Wave. But there were so many great "underground"(not mainstream) bands like Huskur Du, REM, Melvins, Meat Puppets, Pixies, Slayer, Death, Misfits, Joy Division......etc.

 

As far as your points go:

 

1. I don't know what your talking about here. Different sound, different audience. People have different tastes in music. Duh! Whats your point? "Underground" is not a type of music, it simply describes all sorts of bands that are on Independent Labels, Not on the radio, not on MTV, mostly unknown....etc.

 

2. Who cares about someones reasons for making music? I don't. This has nothing to do with the subject at all.

 

3. That is completely untrue. There are hunderds of bands and musical styles out there that will sadly never make it to the mainstream. Rather it be bad breaks, or their style just isn't radio friendly.

[Guest Kinetic]

2. The goal of these bands is to make it to the MAINSTREAM. Just like anybody in any field,(music, movies,wrestling, business, plumbing etc...) they are trying to be successful. If you're not selling a ton of CD's, you AIN'T successful. It doesn't matter how "innovative", a band is. The reasons that guys form a band today are exactly the same as they have been for the last forty years. To obtain girls, fame, and money. Anybody in a band that says otherwise is LYING.

I've always hated this sort of mentality because it's completely and utterly wrong. Fame and money are total fringe benefits that less than 1% of all musicians actually get to enjoy. A lot of these musicians go into the music business knowing full well that their chance of being accepted by the narrow-minded mainstream audience is extremely slim. Yet they do it anyway. It might have something to do with actually enjoying music, which would contradict your verbatim Kid Rock bullshit posturing statement. The reason Kid Rock says that stuff is because he has to justify his presence in the music business despite an obvious lack of songwriting ability. I don't know what your excuse is.

 

You know, the Velvet Underground wasn't successful when the were around but I doubt that Lou Reed considers the band a failure. People like you--much like the record industry itself--have no vision or grasp on what actual success is.

[Guest BottleRocket]

Which leads me to:

 

2. The goal of these bands is to make it to the MAINSTREAM. Just like anybody in any field,(music, movies,wrestling, business, plumbing etc...) they are trying to be successful. If you're not selling a ton of CD's, you AIN'T successful. It doesn't matter how "innovative", a band is. The reasons that guys form a band today are exactly the same as they have been for the last forty years. To obtain girls, fame, and money. Anybody in a band that says otherwise is LYING.

In addition to the Velvet Underground, I would also site Fugazi as a more recent example of a band clearly not formed for the purposes of money, fame, or girls.

 

And even though their records will never reach platinum status, I think that most everyone would consider them a successful band.

 

Part of their success, in fact, may be attributed to not only their musical innovations, but also their desire to stay outside the mainstream through what they consider "ethical" business practices.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

oh wait a minute, I just realized that guy is quoting Kid Rock. What a credable source for information that guy is.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

I think every year, people say "we are in a rock revival". The thing is, every year, great bands emerge. You just got to look for them. For me, personally, its my local radio station late night, when they play soleey new bands. Most of them suck, but there have been some gems.

 

course what might be a gem for me is just a rock for you.

[Guest redbaron51]

Usually my local radio station promotes bands to send in a demo to the radio station, and it'll get played, voted by the fans who will win Rock Search (insert number of the year). I think 1996? A band called Rainbow BUTT Monkeys won the contest, and now they are Finger Eleven. Usually most band sucks, but i'll admit this Rainbow BUTT Monkey's owned.

[Guest Doomsault]

Return of Rock? It was never gone, it just sucked for a while.

[Guest thefrenchargel]

let me summarize music today...

Korn fucking sucks

The strokes REALLY fucking suck

Drowning pool fucking sucks worse than any band in the history of music (i mean that with all my heart)

Andrew WK is a fucking sucky joke

The Deftones have always sucked

Nickelback, Default, Staind, and Disturbed, you got it, fucking suck.

All rap fucking sucks except for about 5 cypress hill tracks from back in the day

All pop music fucking sucks

All country music fucking sucks

I'm completely indifferent to anything Techno, just because it doesn't involve playing musical instruments

Metallica fucking sucks and has always sucked with the exception of Cliff Burton, who's dead and no longer affects the scene

and just to top it all off, the new ozzy cd fucking sucks as well

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I miss Guns N Roses.

[Guest godthedog]

let me summarize music today...

Korn fucking sucks

The strokes REALLY fucking suck

Drowning pool fucking sucks worse than any band in the history of music (i mean that with all my heart)

Andrew WK is a fucking sucky joke

The Deftones have always sucked

Nickelback, Default, Staind, and Disturbed, you got it, fucking suck.

All rap fucking sucks except for about 5 cypress hill tracks from back in the day

All pop music fucking sucks

All country music fucking sucks

I'm completely indifferent to anything Techno, just because it doesn't involve playing musical instruments

Metallica fucking sucks and has always sucked with the exception of Cliff Burton, who's dead and no longer affects the scene

and just to top it all off, the new ozzy cd fucking sucks as well

wow...and i thought I was an elitist.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

let me summarize music today...

Korn fucking sucks

The strokes REALLY fucking suck

Drowning pool fucking sucks worse than any band in the history of music (i mean that with all my heart)

Andrew WK is a fucking sucky joke

The Deftones have always sucked

Nickelback, Default, Staind, and Disturbed, you got it, fucking suck.

All rap fucking sucks except for about 5 cypress hill tracks from back in the day

All pop music fucking sucks

All country music fucking sucks

I'm completely indifferent to anything Techno, just because it doesn't involve playing musical instruments

Metallica fucking sucks and has always sucked with the exception of Cliff Burton, who's dead and no longer affects the scene

and just to top it all off, the new ozzy cd fucking sucks as well

So, uh, what do you like?

 

oh and Default kicks ass..bitch

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

So, uh, what do you like?

 

oh and Default kicks ass..bitch

That's what I'm saying. He's got to be a metalhead.

 

And Default does indeed suck.

[Guest SuperTonyJaymz]

eh to each his own right

 

Defualt is good, except they either have a good song or bad song, no inbetween IMO.

[Guest Jerome Drake]

I dont really listen to your guys music, but...

 

 

Andrew WK rules.

[Guest redbaron51]

Disturbed put out one of the best semi-mainstream CD's in 2000, and is one hell of a live show to see as well.

 

Sure you can say these guys are cashing in on Nu-Metal popularity, but I think these guys have a sound of their own, and actually will last longer than Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Staind, Limp Bizkit, Deftones.

 

The new Ozzy CD is more mellow, but it is still a great CD.

 

Metallica music may be softer, but the quality is still there, especially in the lyrics, all they need is a long ass 9 minute instrumental.

 

on a side note, he did not list Punk...so i'm thinking he is more of a punk person than metal.

[Guest thefrenchargel]

i didn't list punk because I forgot about it, with the exception of dead kennedys, who are actually among my favorite bands. I like death metal and grindcore, maybe about half a dozen classic rock bands, and that is it,

with a few notable exceptions, DK being among them. Other than that, I couldn't really care less. Not to say I don't RESPECT talent, i just don't like 97% of everything i've ever heard. sure, Bob Dylan was a hell of a songwriter, and I can totally see how people can connect to his stuff so well, but do I like his music? No, in fact I despise it. However, when we're talking about middle-of-the-road fake rock garbage like Drowning Pool that's totally uninspired music, with lyrics that just try to rhyme and convey vague negative emotion that doesn't seem to relate to anything, I'll rip on them all day because they do indeed SUCK. people who actually, through some cracked out retarded semi-mental process, seem to ENJOY music like that, and actually consider it GOOD, not only is their taste terrible, but they don't know the first thing about whata good musician really is.

[Guest thefrenchargel]

by the way, the new Ozzy is pathetic compared to his older solo stuff and the Sabbath stuff. Zakk Wylde, when they were recording the thing, added his own stuff in to make sure it wasn't a complete flop.