Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 He sure put Test over... He sure put Mick Foley over... He sure put Chris Jericho over... He sure helped The Rock out at wrestlemania. Oh, that's right... He won every single one of those payoffs, buried Test, retired Mick Foley, won the Jericho payoff, became the first heel to win the Wrestlemania main event... 1 ) I'm not even sure anymore if Flair could get Test over. 2 ) It was SUPPOSED to be the other way around. HHH didn't just approach Mick and say "You! Yeah, you over there! You're retired next month. I need to add something to my reputation and you are it." Mick wanted out of the business so he could spend time as a father. Also, HHH was selling and making it look like Mick would win quite a bit of the time, ESPECIALLY during Hell in a Cell. That's the most important element of the Flair Recipe for Putting On A Good Match. The big difference is, of course, that Flair didn't keep constantly coming out on top. 3) Rock had just won the Royal Rumble, was STILL #1 contender after WrestleMania, and beat HHH for the belt at Backlash. All HHH gained was a win in a 4 man brawl with lots of McMahon interference (oh big whoop), one extra month of keeping the belt, and being the first heel to win the WM main event. That last bit is historic but is really unimportant except in the minds of the old school or the nostalgic. Nobody else really cared, and the Fed never even really mentioned it, which shows just how little it mattered to them.
Guest Spicy McHaggis Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 My problem is with Ripper saying, "HHH put over a shit load of guys and continued to have great matches before his injury..." When a good 1/3 of his "great 2000 run in which he put so many guys over" is littered with little asterisks (which I agree with, btw) as to why he didn't have to do it for certain guys. But then the other 8 months are spent putting over Jericho and TAKA (for one night mind you). Angle and Jericho have put over more guys in the last 1 and 1/2 months.
Guest goodhelmet Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 ok, to set the record straight... i could give two flying fucks (maybe three) about the politics backstage involving the clique IF they could produce worthwhile matches. with that said, knowing the history of these rat bastards, i resent the fact that they take up airspace while preaching about thier superiority while producing the * anti-classics. hbk- a mouthpiece who is past his prime, refuses to or can't wrestle, and has no fan support anymore (listen to the crickets during his speech on RAW). x-pac- talented for sure, but about as useless as the big show since he is a lazy fuck. also, hasn't expanded his moveset in four years. nash- hasn't had a good match since hbk bumped around like a pinball for him in 1996! has done absolutely NOTHING except tear his quad since his return. taking up valuable airspace that could be given to someone who could go. hhh- since his return, has had a couple of decent matches (nothing great). took part in two of the worst matches this year (against hogan and taker respectively), has lost his mobility, is constantly hurt, and made us sit through some of the worst skits this side of russo. also, allowed us to catch a glimpse of steph's big ass nipple. now, in that examination not once did i mention any backstage maneuvering. it was all about what's appearing on the tv screen. knowing the backstage scene only makes it more frustrating. get these useless mindfucks off my tv unless they start producing the goods in the ring. we know nash and hbk are not going to wrestle. if they're on company payroll then let them do autograph signings and special appearances (ambassadors if you will). tell x-pac to shape up or ship out. and if hhh is going to be the man then he needs o start producing in the ring. period. you know why we weren't bitching about hgh two years ago? because the motherfucker was producing in the ring and when it comes down to it, that's all that matters. now that NONE of these fecal fuckers are producing, get them the fuck off the tv because they are not helping the product. THAT is the story of the clique!
Guest Ripper Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 My problem is with Ripper saying, "HHH put over a shit load of guys and continued to have great matches before his injury..." When a good 1/3 of his "great 2000 run in which he put so many guys over" is littered with little asterisks (which I agree with, btw) as to why he didn't have to do it for certain guys. But then the other 8 months are spent putting over Jericho and TAKA (for one night mind you). Angle and Jericho have put over more guys in the last 1 and 1/2 months. Um...Angle??? Who in the name of fuck has Kurt Angle put over in his brief career. Edge?? If you are saying that is putting someone over then HHH has put over a hell of a lot of people. Angle has taken the badass heel to a new level. HHH would beat faces during his heel run..no doubt. But winning using a finisher and making a face tap is two different things. My problem is that people act like Kurt Angle hasn't gotten the EXACT same god push that HHH got, been put over JUST as many people as HHH has and so on. If HHH gets a monster push, out come the excuses "HE WAS IN THE CLIQUE" "HE'S SCREWING STEPHANIE". Angle gets the same push, alot faster than it took for HHH to get the big push and nothing. Not a freakin word. No finger pointing of backstage politics, nothing. It is a ridiculous double standard.
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 First of all when has HHH ever put over Jericho? And all those wins those guys got over him? Did they mean anything. No because they were forgotten the next week while HHH still went for the world title. And the reason everyone believes about HHH is...when EVERYONE says that HHH is playing politics it's kinda hard to ignore. Sure it's hearsay but when it's talked about by EVERYONE on the net and even some wrestlers and then it comes across on TV then you gotta believe something is up. I don't believe everything that is said about HHH but some of it has got to be true.
Guest alfdogg Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 DId the Clique do something personal to you or something? You seem awfully resentful. Yes. Nash and Hall re-signed with the WWF, X-Pac joined the nWo and HBK returned to TV. That personally hurt me. Get the fuck over it! These guys were brought back into the WWE cause the MARKS, not YOU, asked for them back. I swear to god this bullshit blind hating of the Kliq is pathetic. There's nothing you can do personally about it or their "alledged" backstage antics. AIS all you can do is take pride in the fact that these guys have/or are going through problems. You bask in their pain. Do you have an alcoholic in your family? Do you know how had it is to kick that habbit? Have you ever had a disabling sports related injury? Do you know what pain you have to go through to rehab? For such an insensitive bastard, I would say you couldn't say yes to any of these questions. I for one can say yes to them all. Everyone has their favorites when it comes to wrestling, but people like you AIS take it the level of being bitter assholes who undoubtedly live for nothing but anothers pain. Go back and read your post. You sound pretty bitter, man. Does that make you one of the "assholes", too?
Guest alfdogg Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 First of all when has HHH ever put over Jericho? And all those wins those guys got over him? Did they mean anything. No because they were forgotten the next week while HHH still went for the world title. And the reason everyone believes about HHH is...when EVERYONE says that HHH is playing politics it's kinda hard to ignore. Sure it's hearsay but when it's talked about by EVERYONE on the net and even some wrestlers and then it comes across on TV then you gotta believe something is up. I don't believe everything that is said about HHH but some of it has got to be true. Right on. HHH's loss to Booker was never mentioned again after it happened and did nothing at all for Booker. HHH loses to Jericho clean, but when it's mentioned Cole's all like "THANKS TO THE UNDERTAKER" like he's got a gun up to his head or something. HHH loses to D-Von, Godfather, Brawler, and Test. Wow, did a lot of good for them. And notice that HHH eliminated Godfather, D-Von, AND Test from the battle royal. Hogan beats HHH after two run-ins and a chair shot. HHH gets his job back clean. HHH just seems to forget what Foley did for him when he has a chance to do the same for someone else (Jericho).
Guest Shaved Bear Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 No I am another Credible mark. i liked him in ECW now I'm a credibility mark for real cred. look at my sig
Guest Spicy McHaggis Posted July 10, 2002 Report Posted July 10, 2002 But winning using a finisher and making a face tap is two different things. WTF, Hogan is the ONLY man to tap out to Angle in MONTHS. Dispute that.
Guest Ripper Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 While heel, Angle has made Kane, Taker, Rvd, Jerhico, Beniot, and Hogan tap right off the top of my head. I think that I have to change my signature to "I really really like Angle" because people will thank that I dom't like him. My point, for all of you that don't like reading through all of the post, is that it is very very ignorant to believe that anytime a guy you don't like gets a push it is because of politics and when a guy you like gets damn near the same push or greater, its because he works hard.
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Angle actually put Benoit over big time. Benoit may be a "God" in our eyes and doesn't need to be put over, but he isn't in the "Casual" Fans eyes. Angle did alot for him. I'm not saying Angle carried him or anything like that, I'm just saying Angle was a Former Champion and Main Eventer when he went into his feud with Benoit last year.
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