Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I don't think Goldust needs a new gimmick...you must have me confused with somebody else. Trust me, I'll take ANYTHING but "The Natural".
Guest RetroRob215 Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I don't think Goldust needs a new gimmick...you must have me confused with somebody else. Your right the Goldust thing was someone else. That's what happens when a board has over 2,000 members.
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I do want Booker T to stay on the mid-card, though. That was me all the way. What this board needs is some BookaHaters. We have HHHaters, HHHHaters Haters...bring on the BookaHaters.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I passed up meeting Hulk Hogan to meet Booker T. He should be main eventing all the way and kicking some nWo ass. Now can you dig that... SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKA
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Now can you dig that... SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKA Nope. Sorry.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Tell me you didn't just say that. TELL me you did not just say that
Guest Brian Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Why hate Booker T? He's the only consistently entertaining thing on RAW. He's the only consistant thing on RAW. Everybody else is up and down (with maybe the exception of RVD) and Booker, given that he's had segmemts and largely decent in-ring work, seems to be over (despite never, ever being put over anyone or working pay per views), and hustles around. RVD's time is literally passing since they blew his first shot and haven't really built him back up in a strong way yet aside from the end to the Eddie Guerrero feud, which they probably should have had that ladder match on PPV instead of free TV; but Booker is ready to go now and sometimes you have to run with the moment. I mean, Booker surpassed all expectations as a heel because the general concensus was he couldn't pull it off, than suddenly he's back to basics, to being a face. Heck, if they prep RVD up now for the SummerSlam shot (and if they are going that way, they've got it set up perfectly), but if they don't you've got to turn around and start pushing Booker with a Golddust break up (since Nash got fucked up) and whatever there after. So I don't see why not top go with Booker, especially since nobody seems to touch on the fact that the WWE does almost nothing to tap the racial demographic, and as little as some people think that means, there is a huge potential of people who need someone they can relate to in the same way everyone related to Austin, only on different standards. RVD, as cool as he is, still only has that Rock-like or 1999 Foley-like quality where people can admire him for his achievements and cheer for the flash but can't really relate on a singular level. Booker T, he's a "street thug", but he's a character who people can laugh with and they can see how he's fought to get to this point. Brock's just the circus; he'll play the Undertaker role. Jericho's flamboyant, but his time as a face may have been two years ago in April and as a heel nobody is willing to put him over. Benoit definately has the charisma and ring style of a total bad-ass which is what they need to do with him; but once again as a heel, noboday will put him over. Angle's already over but they're at that point where they want him lower on the card but essentially can't do too much with him because he's already been given it all. Eddie may be the most marketable if he's stays on the right course, because Eddie makes on awesome rudo, has decent-good mic skills, and like Benoit can carry himself on in-ring work, but who will put him over like the others? Frankly, the problem is too many people are working the exact same way (except for maybe Eddie, Benoit, and RVD, though RVD seems to have further adjusted to the WWE style than them only his highspots are his signature moves), but I'm not going to go into that. The key now is push Booker T as the fresh face if you're not going to go with RVD (and even if they do, they still should), and than build up that supporting cast of Jericho, Angle, Benoit (as a face, Eddie should turn on him), Eddie, Edge, and probably lastly if they screw up the current chance, RVD. Sacrifice the Undertaker, he never, ever meant anything to the almighty dollar, and you've already awarded him for his loyalty. Sacrifice Hogan, fire Nash and X-Pac, and give HHH an ultimatum; you're wife has given you way too much ear and you haven't done shit to deserve it. You've been the center of attention for a month of drop off, you haven't done a job that mattered since starting main eventing, and you look like a blow up doll. Either drop it or leave. Bring back Austin; this man is the only draw in the WWE right now and if he marches back, kick's Vince ass for talking trash about him, and does a last run (not even with the title) and jobs, that's it. He only had until WrestleMania IX anyways, at least until Hall and Nash showed up. And wasn't he right. Sure he didn't do things the right way, but time mended fences with the Kliq and they did far worse than Austin. Force HBK to wrestle and sacrifice him; if you push RVD, than throw him to Booker. Don't sacrifice the Rock yet, until you've milked him out. As long as you have him and he's associated in some way to Hollywood, he's still a valuable resource, and even if he's not there, when he comes back and jobs it has meaning. Fuck Kane, drop his ass. Despite loyalty, unlike the Undertaker he doesn't have any aura to him left o being a vet. And once Undertaker is gone, the gimmick is dead.
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 That's waay too long to read. But I'm guessing that he said that Booker T is the shit and I should like him like the rest of the Internet sheep.
Guest Ram Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Or you could try to read it, rather than try to act like the rebeliouz poz+3r of the board.
Guest TheSmarkzone Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 This is an Internet discussion board. This is not a wrestling arena and I don't have a "gimmick". But I guess your "gimmick" is the smart-ass who types cool.
Guest 4Life Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 This is an Internet discussion board. This is not a wrestling arena and I don't have a "gimmick". But I guess your "gimmick" is the smart-ass who types cool. Stop being such a smark Here is a gimmick for you fierro: Booker as Ninja. It's $$$$$ PUnk ass bitch.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I've been a Booker fan since 1993- nine years and counting. I ain't no sheep. Maybe you could read it and understand what he's saying. You might learn something
Guest Downhome Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I've been a Booker fan since 1993- nine years and counting. I ain't no sheep. Maybe you could read it and understand what he's saying. You might learn something I didn't read it either, as it is just a pain to read such a huge mass all together. I'm sure it was good, as his stuff usually is, it's just that the way it is posted is an eye sore for me. Perhaps someone could edit it into paragraphs? By the way, I've been a Booker T fan ever since his pro. debut. I remember going to WCW shows back in the day and he impressed me so much, as did Stevie Ray. Live, they just were so huge and made such an impact in their matches. I remember always thinking that they were about the two biggest on the entire cards, lol.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Okay- I put it into four seperate parts- it may not flow great. This is what Brian wrote in a post above- I just put it in 4 sep parts to make it easier to read Why hate Booker T? He's the only consistently entertaining thing on RAW. He's the only consistant thing on RAW. Everybody else is up and down (with maybe the exception of RVD) and Booker, given that he's had segmemts and largely decent in-ring work, seems to be over (despite never, ever being put over anyone or working pay per views), and hustles around. RVD's time is literally passing since they blew his first shot and haven't really built him back up in a strong way yet aside from the end to the Eddie Guerrero feud, which they probably should have had that ladder match on PPV instead of free TV; but Booker is ready to go now and sometimes you have to run with the moment. I mean, Booker surpassed all expectations as a heel because the general concensus was he couldn't pull it off, than suddenly he's back to basics, to being a face. Heck, if they prep RVD up now for the SummerSlam shot (and if they are going that way, they've got it set up perfectly), but if they don't you've got to turn around and start pushing Booker with a Golddust break up (since Nash got fucked up) and whatever there after. So I don't see why not top go with Booker, especially since nobody seems to touch on the fact that the WWE does almost nothing to tap the racial demographic, and as little as some people think that means, there is a huge potential of people who need someone they can relate to in the same way everyone related to Austin, only on different standards. RVD, as cool as he is, still only has that Rock-like or 1999 Foley-like quality where people can admire him for his achievements and cheer for the flash but can't really relate on a singular level. Booker T, he's a "street thug", but he's a character who people can laugh with and they can see how he's fought to get to this point. Brock's just the circus; he'll play the Undertaker role. Jericho's flamboyant, but his time as a face may have been two years ago in April and as a heel nobody is willing to put him over. Benoit definately has the charisma and ring style of a total bad-ass which is what they need to do with him; but once again as a heel, noboday will put him over. Angle's already over but they're at that point where they want him lower on the card but essentially can't do too much with him because he's already been given it all. Eddie may be the most marketable if he's stays on the right course, because Eddie makes on awesome rudo, has decent-good mic skills, and like Benoit can carry himself on in-ring work, but who will put him over like the others? Frankly, the problem is too many people are working the exact same way (except for maybe Eddie, Benoit, and RVD, though RVD seems to have further adjusted to the WWE style than them only his highspots are his signature moves), but I'm not going to go into that. The key now is push Booker T as the fresh face if you're not going to go with RVD (and even if they do, they still should), and than build up that supporting cast of Jericho, Angle, Benoit (as a face, Eddie should turn on him), Eddie, Edge, and probably lastly if they screw up the current chance, RVD. Sacrifice the Undertaker, he never, ever meant anything to the almighty dollar, and you've already awarded him for his loyalty. Sacrifice Hogan, fire Nash and X-Pac, and give HHH an ultimatum; you're wife has given you way too much ear and you haven't done shit to deserve it. You've been the center of attention for a month of drop off, you haven't done a job that mattered since starting main eventing, and you look like a blow up doll. Either drop it or leave. Bring back Austin; this man is the only draw in the WWE right now and if he marches back, kick's Vince ass for talking trash about him, and does a last run (not even with the title) and jobs, that's it. He only had until WrestleMania IX anyways, at least until Hall and Nash showed up. And wasn't he right. Sure he didn't do things the right way, but time mended fences with the Kliq and they did far worse than Austin. Force HBK to wrestle and sacrifice him; if you push RVD, than throw him to Booker. Don't sacrifice the Rock yet, until you've milked him out. As long as you have him and he's associated in some way to Hollywood, he's still a valuable resource, and even if he's not there, when he comes back and jobs it has meaning. Fuck Kane, drop his ass. Despite loyalty, unlike the Undertaker he doesn't have any aura to him left o being a vet. And once Undertaker is gone, the gimmick is dead.
Guest phoenixrising Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Honestly, the idea is pretty funny, but having them dance together is just stupid. Same thing with the penis line. Throw that shit out, and it would make for a decent segment. But in NO WAY have them dance.
Guest SmarkySmark Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Is it just me or did Smarkzone totally avoid that question? Geez
Guest phoenixrising Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 That first post of mine was about the Fierro idea. As for Bob, I like your ideas...well, other than the "Fuck Kane, drop his ass" part. But the rest of it is good. I like the idea of forcing the vets to job all over the place for the young guys. WWE has been saying for too long that they want to push the younger guys, the new guard must step in - now it's time for them to act.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 They weren't mine they were Brian's. I just made his post into four different parts to make it easier to read. I'll edit the post to make sure people know it's Brian
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 BTW- I really like Kane. He's very good for man his size.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 Dear god. Fierro actually WROTE THAT? To use an Undertaker-ism, I want to kick his teeth so far down his throat he can chew his own ass out for pissing me off.
Guest M Nyland Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 I am mortified. He makes Vince Russo look like Stephen King.
Guest Brian Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 "BTW- I really like Kane. He's very good for man his size." He is good for his size, but there's not a whole lot you can do with another big man, especially if you dump the Undertaker. His gimmicks pretty much been destroyed as it is.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 He was doing well w/o Taker before the injury
Guest Brian Posted July 11, 2002 Report Posted July 11, 2002 He was doing OK, but his character is out dated and the mystique is gone.
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