Will RVD become a world champion?

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

posting so that Respect the Taker can read my sig and try to name one promo that his man Taker ever cut that was half as good.

Like i said in my post, Vince likes the big guys, Taker is a big guy...with an awesome gimmick..SMELLS LIKE MONEY IN THE BANK TO ME

 

What the hell is RVD's gimmick anyway? He sounds like he is part-time wrestler, part-time surfer...

 

Woah.............dude............one word at a time....

 

This has been the Taker Mark

 

'Taker is champ, RVD isn't , i'll take the chance to laugh...MUAHAHAHAHAH

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

that post is borderline insane retardation too...must be a full moon.

 

Who is RVD?

 

The guy who carried Taker to his best match of the year...that's who.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

What the hell is RVD's gimmick anyway? He sounds like he is part-time wrestler, part-time surfer...

 

Woah.............dude............one word at a time....

 

This has been the Taker Mark™

 

'Taker is champ, RVD isn't , i'll take the chance to laugh...MUAHAHAHAHAH

thsoe are my thoughts on his mic skills, and that was really funny.

 

--Rob

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

ok...its time once again to go to school.

 

Today's lesson: Promos 101

 

If you'll open your text book to page 420, we'll examine what makes an effective promo.

 

1. Put heat into the match.

 

RVD's matches are among the hottest in the business.

 

2. Pop the crowd.

 

Even if it is just by pointing at himself the crowd pops for it.

 

3. Get yourself over.

 

When has RVD not been over?

 

 

 

This reminds me of the post in the Raw thread a couple weeks ago that made fun of RVDs promo skills...despite the fact that he popped the crowd and advanced an angle.

 

He gets about 60 seconds of mic time a week.

 

Which is great...because he doesn't need any to be one of the most over faces in the company.

 

BTW...the next time I understand a word Eddy Guerrero says in a promo...will be the first...essa.

[Guest RobJohnstone]

bps I don;t understand, promos have nothing to do with matches. they are seperate, and in america with sports entertainment matches are just filler for promos. Not like in japan where promos are filler for matches. Benoit is the perfect example of this, he is ready match wise for the ME, no promo skills.

 

--Rob

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

that post is borderline insane retardation too...must be a full moon.

 

Who is RVD?

 

The guy who carried Taker to his best match of the year...that's who.

Who is Undertaker? Arguably the most successful gimmick wrestler ever to wrestle in America , if not the world ( Not sure of the gimmick guys over in Jap-Land ).

 

Rob Van Dam may have made Taker look good this year, but Robby is FAR from being in the same league as the Undertaker, ask Vince McMahon, ask any freakin' wrestler in the WWE or..ask me.

 

RVD's got potential, Taker's proved his worth.

 

This has been the Taker Mark

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"bps I don;t understand, promos have nothing to do with matches. they are seperate, and in america with sports entertainment matches are just filler for promos."

 

thats just wrong.

 

Promos are there to carry on angles.

 

That has EVERYTHING to do with the matches.

 

Promos can make the fans give a shit about the match.

 

They give the performers definition and character development that the WWE style does not allow.

 

And before you say RVD has no development...if we all look back to the scrapped Jericho/RVD title program...the "focused" RVD was way over for the three weeks they allowed before they buried him.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

What has Taker proven except that he needs tricks of light and organ music to get over?

 

What has he proven except that the WWE marketing machine was great...not him?

 

I don't remember people pushing for MEan MArk to get a title push.

 

Taker is the embodiment of what is wrong with wrestling...no actually that's probably Kane...

 

but still...being pushed to the top right away doesn't prove worth.

 

The ratings bombing during Takers push last year and his inability to raise them with his push this year proves worth.

 

Basically...any tall guy could have been as successful as the Undertaker. Dan Spivey could be a 4 time world champion.

 

Because the gimmick is what worked...and he didn't create that.

[Guest M Nyland]

bps21.... i think i was the one to make fun of RVD's mic skills...but I wasn't being serious...

[Guest Respect The 'Taker]

What has Taker proven except that he needs tricks of light and organ music to get over?

 

What has he proven except that the WWE marketing machine was great...not him?

 

I don't remember people pushing for MEan MArk to get a title push.

 

Taker is the embodiment of what is wrong with wrestling...no actually that's probably Kane...

 

but still...being pushed to the top right away doesn't prove worth.

 

The ratings bombing during Takers push last year and his inability to raise them with his push this year proves worth.

 

Basically...any tall guy could have been as successful as the Undertaker.  Dan Spivey could be a 4 time world champion.

 

Because the gimmick is what worked...and he didn't create that.

Judging from your post, you seem to be confident in labelling the Undertaker completly talentless? Is that correct? To think that is not only nieve, but proves your smoking the same bullshit as Rob Van Dam.

 

I don't need to sit here and run off matches that the Undertaker has made brilliant, because i have nothing to prove to anyone but myself, and i understand the importance of the Undertaker to the WWE/F/Panda/Cat/Camel

 

This has been the Taker Mark™

 

MODERATE THIS!

 

P.S People didnt want Mean Mark pushed, but they wanted the UNDERTAKER pushed..why? 'Cause they were into him, and he could deliver the goods in his day. Arguing this and winning has about the same chance as RVD walking into a rehab centre and them not recognising him.

[Guest goodolemr]

Personally, I hope RVD, Beniot, Jericho, Angle, etc. all leave the WWE and let Taker, Triple H, and the Clique enjoy controling it. It's a sinking ship.

[Guest MrRant]

Yes.. and that will help their careers.. leave the name that people think of when they think wrestling. Brilliant.

 

PS. Yes I know they think WWF... but the point still stands.

[Guest M Nyland]

even if Rob never wins the Undisputed Title...he will still be remembered as a STAR...

 

It doesn't really bother me if he carries gold around or not...

[Guest Human Fly]

Promos will help a guy get over, but it gets to a point where they don't really matter as much. Look at Goldberg, his promos never set the world on fire, but he was still insanely over. Why? Because everything else he did got the crowd behind him (marketing didn't hurt either). RVD is at that point. His mic skills don't need to be on par with the Rock's. He is over and that is all that matters.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Let's get something straight here.

 

Taker may be "the most sucessful gimmick wrestler in North America"..but is he a draw? Hell no. The ratings aren't exactly stellar now. Do we remember last year, when he was burying every young guy (and DDP) with talent in sight? How the Undertaker ME push flopped?

 

IMO..I don't blame Kane. Kane's always been in the Undertaker's shadow (or paired with him), and the feuds he's had in his singles career have blown chunks. He's an above average big man worker (and the only guy over 6'6" I know of that can pull a hurricanrana.

 

Want to know the difference between RVD and Benoit?

 

Unless we're in Canada..

 

RVD walks out. People chant his name. People pop. People Get -excited.

Benoit comes out. Crickets chirp. If Eddy's with him, Eddy gets the heat. Oh, Chris gets a pop..for the Crossface. He's one of the best wrestlers in the WWE, but to the average fan, does he seem to be on RVD's level? That one's a 'hell no'. Why is RVD ready for the main, and Benoit isn't? RVD has the thing about him that makes people CARE. He dosen't need to go out and spout 15 minute catchphrase fests. All he's got to do is point his thumbs at himself, and fifteen thousand people chant with him.

 

Say what you will about RVD, but he's got this innate electricity about him that makes people cheer. Rock has it, HBK had it. He bumps like a madman. While his moves may seem 'flippy floppy', I'd rather see a thousand Rolling Thunders than see him using Spinebusters, Neckbreakers, and a Stunner, or some such nonsense. He can do what most main eventers couldn't do in their wildest dreams. He can fly over the ring seemingly beyond physical limitations. His spots are all crisp, and at least have some impact. (Which is Jericho's problem..)

 

Maybe it's just my RVD mark self speaking, but in my mind, he could wind up being the guy that 'saves the WWE'. Getting people behind you is one thing that a lot of the roster can't do..and despite all the talent or lack of they may have..they'll never make it. Remember a guy named Hulk Hogan? He could do the same thing. So could that bald-headed bastard that just left. *shrugs*

 

My two cents.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

you know my opinion on the RVD main event situation.

 

Edge is not going to spike ratings with a mega push. I'm sorry but he won't.

 

Brock could have...if they didn't rush him into it right away.

 

RVD probably wouldn't either.

 

No one is going to singlehandedly turn the company around.

 

But I like the idea of having a guy who brings heat to matches...and has at least watchable matches with everyone to be on top(and before you say "big deal"...when was the last watchable ppv main event?...it wasn't KOTR...or JD..or Backlash. It would be the heatless WrestleMania match I guess. woopee)

[Guest Andy]

He'll get it, but I'm not convinced he'll keep it for long.

 

Andy

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

No one is going to singlehandedly turn the company around.

I don't know. Austin did it pretty well by himself, although there was D-X and other things going on that brought interest up. However, Attitude would have barely lasted two years without Rock and others keeping things going.

[Guest What?!]

I think he'll be World Champion soon. I just feel they're going to be at a point where it's undeniable that he should be Champ and thus the WWE will have no choice but to give him a shot at being Champ.

[Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair]

that post is borderline insane retardation too...must be a full moon.

 

Who is RVD?

 

The guy who carried Taker to his best match of the year...that's who.

And comebak of the year award goes two BPS21. hahahahaha.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I doubt RVD will ever be an insane draw in WWE. He'll probably get pushed to the top at some point but it will be when business sucks so much ass that he has no chance of drawing.

 

RVD already has quite a place in wrestling history. I mean, the guy practically kept ECW afloat when everyone else left. I don't guess he drew huge buyrates in ECW, but take him away from the fed and they went out of business a couple of months later. He was THE GUY to watch in ECW, once he was gone (from not being paid, not that he jumped to WWE), ECW was screwed.

 

To fully measure someone's impact on a show, ask yourself what the show would be like without him on it. ECW from 1998-2000 would have basically sucked horribly if RVD had jumped to the Big 2. Can you imagine how horrible Raw would be right now without RVD? This past week's show proves that.

[Guest jester]

I think RVD will eventually get it, though I think they blew a great chance to build heat and give it to him. He should have got it off the Undertaker. That damned Dusty finish where we all thought he won was a good idea for the beginning of a feud. (I hate Dusty finishes too, but if you must use one, the beginning of a feud is the place to do it). RVD can go around saying he's the only person Taker hasn't beat, and have a legit claim to a rematch.

 

Taker, like it or not, is one of the only credible heel main eventers. Jericho isn't main eventing anymore, and it wouldn't surprise me if they had to show him cheating to beat Linda Gayda. Angle has been jobbed out too much lately, they need to rebuild him. Rock is a face right now, and even if he turns he's been gone so long we haven't seen what he can do lately, so he'll need some build time to reestablish himself. If Triple H gets the belt and turns, he too needs some serious work, because although they are presenting him as superman, his actual moves and crowd reaction just don't warrant it.

 

Taker is being like a scary heel should--able to dominate most matches, but not afraid to cheat when the chips are down to get the win. That's what makes him credible, even though his moves are slow and his prime well behind him.

 

The problem is, RVD never really got to feud with him. They didn't follow up with that Dusty finish. I guess it still possible that he might go at Taker, but that means that Taker will have to retain at Vengeance, and I'm not sure that will happen.

 

jester

[Guest GenerationNever]

There's nothing wrong with RVD's mic skills. He just doesn't get the chance to showcase them. If ratings keep falling month after month than Vince will get nervous and hotshot the title. Ratings are his main concern.

[Guest Brian]

Buyrates and attendance come long before ratings.

 

Undertaker has never, ever drawn. He's always been the side-act, the freak show, but never the center of attention draw unless paired with a stronger worker. And he's never really drawn himself when in that spot anyways.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"Can you imagine how horrible Raw would be right now without RVD? This past week's show proves that"

 

 

I think WE all know what it would be like..

 

But does Vince?

 

Surprisingly...I think he does.

 

Whenever something bad happens (ratings bomb...HHH's comeback postponed...) RVD gets showcased.

 

He knows.

 

But the problem is no one is going to push Vince to do more with RVD than that.

 

RVD isn't. He doesn't care about being the champion. He just wants to entertain.

 

Heyman protects RVD very well...How many other new people from the Alliance angle didn't have to leave tv after Survivor Series?

 

None.

 

But I doubt Heyman has the stroke to get a major RVD push done.

 

Vince has to "think of it himself" for it to have any shelf life.

[Guest Brian]

The thing is, unless Heyman can pull RVD away from RAW I doubt we'll see the major push because Gerber-witless is going to keep on pushing what Vince wants in fear of losing his position to another booker (Russo prior to his NWA hiring).