Guest El Psycho Diablo Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Screw it. If Triple H said "I'm sorry, I'm holding everyone in the back down, including people who aren't even wrestlers. I completely suck, and Benoit should be world champ.." he'd STILL get this load of crap. You want to talk about HHH sucking? Guess what? A lot of guys have sucked this year. Austin, Trips, Hogan, ..about half the roster has been dogging it. Just because Triple H is sleeping with Steph, and because he was in the Kliq dosen't mean he's the devil himself. Some people here would NEVER give him credit, even if he busted out ***** matches every night. Flair pulled lots of political crap too, but he's revered. He's a "legend". HHH may never be Rock or Austin, but he's still one of the biggest names the company has. The names the company has left, he's near the top of the list, sucky or no. He'll get TV time. He'll get pushes. Yeah, so his ring work has sucked lately. He came back early from what should be a career ending injury. Some people need time to adjust. Perhaps he hasn't found the right way yet? I accept the fact Trips will never be too well liked around here, because he isn't 6' and dosen't throw a load of suplexes, and isn't "held down by the EVIL BACKSTAGE POLITICANS~!" ..and as far as spot protecting goes..if you're going to bash somebody for protecting their spot, you might as well bash every main eventer in the history of wrestling. Why? Nobody in their right mind will give up a spot they've worked to get, just so somebody else can get the glory. It's an evil side of human nature, and it's in every one of us, just less apparent in some. Hogan has been around for years, and has only done the 1-2-3 for a handful of people. Austin repeatedly refused to feud with people (JJ, didn't want to drop the title to HHH, Lesnar, etc..)..and went home when the time came for him to. Undertaker squashed every new talent under the sun last summer, and only stepped it up this year because that wouldn't be tolerated due to the shape the company is in. We get it. HHH is evil, he's a hypocrite, he's never done anything good in his life. Whatever. This Raw has been better than any in a long time, and if part is indeed due to HHH, then more power to him. I'd say I'm suprised that something to bitch at HHH about cropped up..but then again, I'm not. Not at all.
Guest Flyboy Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 This is like the pot calling the kettle black. HHH talks down to the locker room like they are on Tough Enough and that makes him a leader? Where has HHH demostrated his ability to work since his return? His best match was what ***? ANd he did with a guy who had better matches with Rock and Austin and had a the HIAC gimmick to work with. Maybe Hunter should pull the needle out of his ass, deflate, and really start working his ass off in the ring, where it matters. HHH's biceps have yet to sell out a building, his ring work used to. Hmmmmmmm. Excellent post, Some Guy... *claps*
Guest Flyboy Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Some people here would NEVER give him credit, even if he busted out ***** matches every night. I did... in 2000 to be exact. Flair may have played politics, too.. BUT he gave his spot up. He made a star. You're right... who in their right mind would want to give that up? But, basically in HHH's "speech" he WAS being a hypocrite... talking about busting their ass off in the ring? He hasn't been doing that since he's injury. That's why I'm glad that he's taking time off... if he comes back of the Trips of old, I'll be all up for that. But, if he comes back wrestling like he was after his injury (take in note, that if he DOES get on Raw... there goes RVD's little main event tenure.. say hello to HHH-Taker-Brock probably) and was pulling the shit that he is now? I'll still say fuck him.
Guest evenflowDDT Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 How can HHH honestly say 'You have to work for it to get to the top' when Brock Lesnar is getting a ME push, John Cena was ME'ing smackdown, and the 4 new guys combined in the last month get more air time than Bob Holly has in the past year. This is actually the best point in the thread, since most of the comments choose to focus on the irony of HHH making the statements. It's true too - Brock and Cena had to work their way up through OVW I guess, and have a ton of promise, but they haven't really made much impact and yet here they are in the main events on their respective shows, instantly. To credit Brock, he's starting to get a reaction, so he must be doing something right, but up until this point he'd done nothing to warrant his monster push (you could argue he won the NCAA, but that doesn't factor in because he's not allowed to have a "real athlete/amateur wrestling" character like when Angle was first brought in). I don't really know much about Cena, and although he appears to be a good worker so far, the same goes for him - what has he done to merit his main-event push? Sure, he's worked a couple good matches, but against Angle and Jericho, two of the company's (and certainly Smackdown's) best workers. Contrary to what HHH said, some people don't have to work to get to the top. I'm all for new blood, honestly I am, but when push comes to shove they haven't really "worked for" or "deserve" their ME pushes right away. One who will when he gets it though, is Chris Nowinski. Surely HHH's comments about staying to watch everyone else's match would never have happened had JR not put over this habit of Nowinski's in the Ross Report.
Guest M Nyland Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 UNSERIOUS: *the Kliq sits in Nash's hospital bedroom...midday...Xpac sits in front of a speaker system* HBK: Hey Professor whatcha doing? Xpac: Trying to hear HHH... Hall *wakes up*: wha...huh? Xpac: HHH is gonna talk down to all the RAW wrestlers now that we are gone... Nash: Kool *owie* HBK: Can we tell him what to say? Xpac: maybe...hold on *Xpac uses some weed papers to fashion a primitive microphone...Hall is stunned* Hall: why can't you do cool shit like that with your wrestling ability Nash and HBK *laughing*:What wrestling ability? Xpac: Shut up! Talk to him Shawn... *Shawn tells HHH what to say to make him seem better...even though most of the things he says are ironic and twisted quite badly....nAsh laughs and tears his quad AGAIN...Xpac requests that Nash's quad be sent to OVW so that it can "work with Nash" in the ring better* SERIOUS: Ya know...I don't care if Mae Young got out there and spoke about workrate...they put on a good show and that is what we all really want to see and we get it and we all still bitch. Uncle Eric walked out and the crowd went NUTZ...and so did the Raw Thread guys...it was something different and yet similiar... Once the shock of Bisch on WWETV wears off...we can all bitch about him again...but for now we are getting good shows with Perfectly Acceptable Wrestling... I am enjoying this new turn for the better
Guest CanadianChris Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 I can't think of too many wrestlers that I would want to watch to learn anything, but I could see watching a match to support your fellow performers. You can learn from watching anybody. Even if what you're learning is how NOT to do something.
Guest the pinjockey Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 This whole thing is stupid though because it should be like in a locker room players only meeting where every thing stays in house. First of all HHH should not be giving speeches with the agents. No wrestler should be giving speeches like that with the management IMO. Also there should not have been any mention of this to the public. The only person who has any right to call out the wrestlers publicly is The undertaker (due to tenure in WWF and suffering though the most less than stellar feuds of any wrestler ever) and I think he is too classy to pull something like that.
Guest Ripper Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Lets get this straght. HHH has been showing the effort and HAS been busting his ass out there to make the matches good...he just might not have it anymore after this injury. No one can say that he is dogging it through the matches. He added all the INTENSE Offensive moves and can't sell as well anymore, but the guy is busting his ass. John Cena has been in Pro Wrestling for at least 6 years now that I can personally remember. Lesnar has been in OVW for 2-3 years now. They are new to the WWE but they are not new to the profession. Part of the whole thing HHH was saying was that guys shouldn't expect a push just because they have been there longer. HE IS DEFENDING THE PUSHING OF NEW TALENT HERE. Of course, lets look over that because that would mean he's not holding them down and that can't be true. Oh, the power of HHH. His friends: Road Dog(fired, and was in a nowhere push) Billy Gunn (in a nowhere push, playing a gay guy) Chyna(off "Acting") Shawn Micahels(had his angle dropped like a sack of bricks after years of waiting to get back in the game) Hall(fired) Nash(wasn't even pushed remotley when he came in) X-pac(hasn't recieved anything more than jobber boy status in YEARS)...yet this guy is suppose to be secretly running the WWE with his girlfriend(who isn't a writer morons, she is over the writing committe...THE WRITERS WRITE THE SHOWS, SHE IS OVER THE DEPARTMENT!!) and can't get any of his friends a job or a decent push. Nothing in the terms of the political power has any validity. SO he gives a speech to the workers. Basically work hard for your push and don't just expect it. SO you guys twist it around to this being evil too. Whatever. And you wonder why noone in the WWE will ever give a 2 shillings shit about your opinions. The Raw was great...HHH gives a speech that the pushes will go to those that work the hardest...the Raw was great....I guarentee that everyone was watching moniters and supporting each other...Raw was great... some how HHH is evil for giving this speech. What the hell ever.
Guest humongous2002 Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 First of all shouldn't the writers be the ones to be getting this pep talk? And what the f*** is HGH doing in this meeting? The guy is so full of himself thinking that it was his amazing wrestling skills that made him into a main eventer and not porking the boss' daughter. He only had one good year as a wrestler but he thinks he's been that damn good since 1995 when he first joined the Fed. If he thinks the RAW branch is lazy then i'm afraid to wonder what must he think about himself and his buddy Nash. I can't wait for Steph to wake up and smell the coffee and just kick the Lame to the curb.And by the way Smackdown is doing worse in ratings than Raw even though SD has the better athletes and the main eventers.And one more thing I wish that there were rules in the forum that allows only smarks to write messages and to keep all those marks out there out of the forum.
Guest mach7 Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 If Triple H is going to start calling people lazy maybe he should learn to incorporate three knee-based moves and a spinebuster into his move set. Maybe he should also learn to drop about 30 pounds so that he doesn't move slower than my grandmother. I don't understand why WWE posts all of this "kayfabe" breaking crap, but yet they turn around and bash the internet fans when we talk shit about them. It's their own fault.
Guest Ripper Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 "First of all shouldn't the writers be the ones to be getting this pep talk? And what the f*** is HGH doing in this meeting?" Yeah..the wrestlers would definately listen to Paul Heyman and the guy that wrote for Conan O'brian before they would listen to a ME wrestler. SUUUUUREE.
Guest mach7 Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 "First of all shouldn't the writers be the ones to be getting this pep talk? And what the f*** is HGH doing in this meeting?" Yeah..the wrestlers would definately listen to Paul Heyman and the guy that wrote for Conan O'brian before they would listen to a ME wrestler. SUUUUUREE. He said shouldn't the writers be *getting* the pep talk.. not giving..
Guest Ripper Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Um...HEY LOOK A BEAR!!!!! [runs the other way while everyone looks]
Guest Prince Paul Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 I used to like HHH. Before reading all the internet gossip, all I had to do was watch him, and I hated him. Good hate. Heel hate. His matches were something that I looked forward to, because I knew he'd bust his ass and we'd get a good performance. Boy how times have changed. If Hunter is to drop some weight and put on matches like he used to...you would hear me complain about him a lot less. HHH needs to realize that he is not busting his ass, and if he is, than his days should be numbered. HHHe can't get it done in the ring liked he used to. His character is not interesting. HHH needs to get back into his old form, or it's time to hop aboard the Hogan Jobber Express Bus.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Lets get this straght. HHH has been showing the effort and HAS been busting his ass out there to make the matches good...he just might not have it anymore after this injury. No one can say that he is dogging it through the matches. He added all the INTENSE Offensive moves and can't sell as well anymore, but the guy is busting his ass. If HHH is 'all about the business' he should recognize that he isn't up to par and take himself off the show, go down to OVW or whereever, get better, and come back to form. Yeah, that's stupid, but it's what someone who is 'all about the business' would do, wouldn't they? John Cena has been in Pro Wrestling for at least 6 years now that I can personally remember. Lesnar has been in OVW for 2-3 years now. They are new to the WWE but they are not new to the profession. Part of the whole thing HHH was saying was that guys shouldn't expect a push just because they have been there longer. HE IS DEFENDING THE PUSHING OF NEW TALENT HERE. Of course, lets look over that because that would mean he's not holding them down and that can't be true. But what about the guys who HAVE been there for 5 years, who DO bust their asses, but still see green-as-fuck-all-style-no-substance guys get bigger pushes than they will ever get. Where is Funakis push? Funaki gets his ass kicked on a regular basis, got over with the crowd using one word but still god dicked. Chris Benoit was the hardest fucking worker in the WWF before he left, where was his push? Where was his montage? Where was his hyped up return? 'You gotta bust your ass for a push' sounds nice, and in a perfect world without politics and fucking the bosses daughter it would generally work that way too. But when it all comes down to it, what HHH said was BULLSHIT because the world isn't perfect and guys like Brock Lesnar will always get a push before guys like Funaki. Oh, the power of HHH. His friends: Road Dog(fired, and was in a nowhere push) Billy Gunn (in a nowhere push, playing a gay guy) Chyna(off "Acting") Shawn Micahels(had his angle dropped like a sack of bricks after years of waiting to get back in the game) Hall(fired) Nash(wasn't even pushed remotley when he came in) X-pac(hasn't recieved anything more than jobber boy status in YEARS)...yet this guy is suppose to be secretly running the WWE with his girlfriend(who isn't a writer morons, she is over the writing committe...THE WRITERS WRITE THE SHOWS, SHE IS OVER THE DEPARTMENT!!) and can't get any of his friends a job or a decent push. Nothing in the terms of the political power has any validity. SO he gives a speech to the workers. Basically work hard for your push and don't just expect it. SO you guys twist it around to this being evil too. Whatever. HHH is on the writing team, and you don't think for a second that Stephanie has influence over the writing process? HA! Nash and Hall were HIRED! HIRED! Against all logic those two guys were hired. Not saying that HHH had anything to do with it, just saying them being hired indicates more power than them staying on the shows when ratings haven't gone up with them there. Chyna and HHH were definitely on the outs so her leaving benefited HHH's and Stephs relationship. Gunn held the fucking tag belts for about 6 months and was always had a good amount of TV time. Xpac, in the NWO, was near main event fer chrissakes. HBK will still have a place on the roster, no doubt. Roadie, can't see why HHH would go to bat for him. He was a relic from the DX days and HHH no doubt wants to be far removed from the degenerate image as possible. And you wonder why noone in the WWE will ever give a 2 shillings shit about your opinions. The Raw was great...HHH gives a speech that the pushes will go to those that work the hardest...the Raw was great....I guarentee that everyone was watching moniters and supporting each other...Raw was great... some how HHH is evil for giving this speech. What the hell ever. HHH isn't evil for giving this speech, he is just full of shit and trying to be the 'general' of the locker room and being 'all about the boys' while he has never put over a single one of them just makes him out to be a hypocrite.
Guest Ripper Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Ah, but if Austin had made this speech last month everyone would be all "Hell yeah AUstin, thats what I'm talkin about!!!!" despite the fact that he was teh no jobbingest, non puting overest, most politicingist guy in the back. But HHH is evil because he started a relationship with Stephanie...during the middle of his 3rd fucking push. They were going to push that guy to the moon NO MATTER WHAT. Who exactly was Rock and Austin sleeping with then...??? HMM??? You all KNOW that his push didn't come because of him and steph. YOU KNOW IT!!! But of course if history gets in the way of HHH bashing, screw it.
Guest bob_barron Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Everyone would be supporting Austin cause he came back from neck surgery and put on a string of awesome matches (just like HHH in 2000) A lot of people also seem to overlook all the shit he's pulled
Guest FeArHaVoC Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 I can't think of too many wrestlers that I would want to watch to learn anything, but I could see watching a match to support your fellow performers. You can learn from watching anybody. Even if what you're learning is how NOT to do something. You're totally right. But even more then that, some guys like say (example) RVD. He may not need to watch some guys like Richards, Bradshaw, etc, to learn stuff or to learn from their mistakes, but he needs to watch them so incase he ever does wrestle them he knows their move set, their speed and these style so he can have a watchable match them. Also, I read ALL the wrestlers were down at ringside for the Speech. I wonder where the Undertaker was and why he didn't have anything to say? Also, I usaully don't defend Triple H that much, but I just wanted to point out from the article that it says (Some Wrestlers) He wasn't talking about everyone on the RAW brand.
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 But his relationship with Stephanie definitely ruined the WM main event. I can say that will all certainty. HHH did deserve his push, no doubt. The guy is a top level performer (even if his matches are painfully overrated and his promos are hurricane-level long winded) and worked his way up. Much respect for that. HOWEVER. I don't remember a time when Rock or Austin said 'they were all about the business'. HHH was just bullshitting infront of the boys to make himself look good for the office, he always does that. He jobs to D-von, he jobs to Test, he worked with Taka and jobbed to Brawler, he offered his services to ECW when he knew full well they would never call him on it. He does hollow acts so he can reaffirm his 'I'm all about this business' image, and it is transparent as fuck. Had Austin said that, yeah, it would have been received much differently. Austin, a man who came back from Spinal Surgery, truly gave it 110% which resulted in some fantastic matches and earned him that Wrestler of the Year award, saying 'bust yer ass and someday you will make it' has a little more validity than HHH saying it. Austin doesn't job, but he doesn't BS about it either. THERE is the difference.
Guest cabbageboy Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 First, I laughed my ass off at HHH saying no one gave him his spot, that he earned it and was just SOOOO over. Think back to mid 1999. HHH was getting the beginnings of a push, he was not over worth shit. He certainly had not earned a main event spot, he was simply a guy who had been there a long time that they either had to 1. release or 2. sign to a contract and push.
Guest Lord of The Curry Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 I think anybody arguing in favour of HHH should stop now. Rudo pretty much just took ya'll to school. I'm eagerly awaiting the day that HHH goes out on Smackdown and puts on a **** match with Jericho or Angle like the HHH of 2000/2001. Until then, I'm not buying what he's selling.
Guest godthedog Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 this is total bullshit. not because trips made his little self-congratulatory speech (well...okay, that's bullshit too, but enough people have made that point already), but because trips, ross and the road agents all blamed the *talent* for a shitty raw. they're saying "hey, the writers and the bookers aren't really to blame, raw sucked because the talent was unmotivated." you don't insult your fucking talent like that when they're light years ahead of the writing. the talent has been the SINGLE BEST aspect of the wwF for the last 2 years. the only wrestling on raw that was shittier than normal was the jackie gayda abomination & the main event where nash tore his quad, and suddenly everybody thinks that's a great excuse to start bashing the talent for being unmotivated. you want your talent to be motivated? give your god damn company some direction. get some good ideas. that will motivate your talent more than jesus on steroids talking to them like a group of 4th graders. in my opinion, they're a hell of a lot more motivated than they should be at this point. i can't see why anybody's trying at all, with the direction this company's going in. i'd get to the arena thinking "well, i could bust my ass and be sore for the next few days & the show would mildly suck, or i could dog it and the show would really suck. hm, what to do..." there's so little actual wrestling on tv right now that the in-ring product doesn't have a lot of control over a show's overall quality. one great match can save a show, but don't expect your entire roster to set the house on fire to pull the weight for all the crappy backstage skits and the 20-minute promos. too bad austin left when he did. i can picture him walking up to triple h in the middle of his speech, giving him a stunner, & drinking a beer over him.
Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 And one more thing I wish that there were rules in the forum that allows only smarks to write messages and to keep all those marks out there out of the forum. For some reason, I just want to tell you to shut up..... maybe its the bad grammer you used, but that Smarks-ban-the-Marks comment just made me think, "Shut the hell up"
Guest Brian Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 Has RAW ever had any real direction? I mean, it just seems like they've been going show to show, while SmackDown's really been building.
Guest Angle-plex Posted July 16, 2002 Report Posted July 16, 2002 There is no denying that Triple H loves the business.
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