Another serious HHH thread

[Guest alfdogg]

I think that my feelings on the situation have pretty much been covered.

 

On one hand, he wants the big money. But I can't really blame him for that. Hell, who doesn't?

 

On the other hand, I also think he feels these guys are a threat to his spot. And NO ONE can deny that he IS dating the head writer and bosses' daughter. So he has that in his favor if he wants those threats held down.

 

It has been rumored that Nash told HHH to hold Jericho down once he came into the WWF, which was mid-99, before he was with Steph. I don't see how he possibly could have had any pull in that scenario.

 

I don't know how many people realize how much ramifications Armageddon '99 had on the future of Wee Wee. Because that was when the HHH-Steph storyline alliance began, which was what led to Hunter cheating on Chyna with Steph (can't really blame him for that either), and their split, and ultimately the real-life HHH-Steph relationship.

 

Fast forward to 2000. I'm not gonna deny that this was a great year for HHH wrestling wise. I WILL say that I feel he was a bit overrated, as most people say that he "carried" all of those guys to those great matches.

 

Here's a few scenarios we got to look at from 2000:

 

Jericho beats HHH relatively clean in April 2000. Not only is the decision reversed later due to a fast count, but HHH got his job back THE VERY SAME NIGHT in a six-man tag. He then proceeded to go over him again in the LMS match, sending him back to the midcard for well over a year.

 

Chris Benoit was constantly being teased to take the title from Rocky, and was looked at as the top heel in the company by some. Well, HHH beats him at No Mercy, then turns heel to reveal himself as the instigattor of the hit-and-run on Austin, re-establishing himself as the top heel and leaving Benoit high, dry, and fighting BILLY GUNN in the midcard. He hasn't made it back to the main event since, save KOTR 2001, which is the night he was injured.

 

Kurt Angle was well on his way to becoming the top heel in the company in the Steph/Angle/HHH love triangle, even establishing himself as a badass on the way, but thanks to job to Hunter at Unforgiven and aforementioned heel turn, he was sent back to the cowardly heel and was an afterthought amidst the Cripple H/Austin feud.

 

HHH is injured in 2001.

 

During his absence, RVD is arguably the 2nd-most over face in the company, and main eventing PPVs with Austin and Angle, Jericho wins the title, and Booker T appears to be headed for a feud with Austin.

 

RVD comes very close to winning the belt from Jericho, then pins him in a tag match.

 

Fast-forward to January 2002.

 

RVD curtain jerks RAW against Test on the night of Hunter's return.

 

Kurt Angle (the most over heel in the company)is the chosen target for a HHH beatdown on the very same night.

 

RVD is eliminated from the Rumble in two minutes after being knocked cold...by (gasp) a pedigree.

 

His pops are reportedly edited starting that Thursday.

 

The Booker T-Austin feud is blown off on said Thursday, and Booker begins fighting Edge over shampoo.

 

Hunter's buddies are brought in (including X-Pac...don't tell me he'd be getting a push now if he wasn't friends with anyone like that, infuriating Austin (rightly so) to the point where he walks out for two weeks after WM.

 

Jericho gets ONE clean win during his title reign, over Maven.

 

He also is made to look like Stephanie's servant, and gets made to look like a complete and total pussy until the week prior to WM.

 

Now WM:

 

Let's get back to 2000 for a sec. THREE clean jobs by Foley to HHH. MADE HIS GODDAMMED CAREER.

 

Think HHH remembered that at WM?

 

FUCK NO.

 

That was the night I lost all respect for Paul Levesque as a human being.

 

He was not over, not in enough shape, was responsible for the worst match of Kurt Angle's career at NWO, came back months early from an injury...and gets the title.

 

Nope, no politics there.

 

Oh...notice I said RESPECT.

 

I never LIKED HHH, contrary to what dreamer or any of the other anti-HHHaters want to tell you. But I did respect his work in 2000.

 

Then comes Judgment Day.

 

HHH, with NO reason at ALL to do it, beats Jericho yet again in Hell in a Cell, even Pedigreeing him on top of the cage. Guess the risk of them both falling through and possibly ending both careers was worth Jericho's burial. There goes any chance of me EVER gaining any respect for him again.

 

Jericho made the biggest mistake of his life by resigning.

 

Now onto John Cena...IMO, he would've made a name for himself immediately had he been able to slap Vince, regardless of whether it was "too early for him" or not. But HHH changed it, thus holding back Cena, and guess who gets made into a bitch instead?

 

Jericho.

 

Booker T, who was finally being looked at as getting a decent push, can't get anyone to give him a rub backstage. None of HHH's buddies will do it. God forbid one of JR's precious hosses do it. So Eddie Guerrero, who has more of a future in the sport than Book does, gets to do the job.

 

While HHH is getting pushed to the moon, Benoit, who appears to have come back at full form, and when he was READY, needs three people to beat Jeff FUCKING Hardy.

 

Believe me, I could keep going, but I'm done.

 

I'll leave you with this:

 

I don't recall saying anything there that was untrue.

 

So if you can read all that, give it logical thought...

 

and STILL me HHH has no power or influence...

 

The I honestly don't know what to say to you.

 

That is all.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

::Applauds::

 

Good research, good research.

[Guest alfdogg]

Oh and...HHH WAS in on the screwjob. Brian Adams (a wrestler who was backstage) has said it before.

[Guest alfdogg]

This may be grabbing for straws, but I should also bring up the Owen-HHH feud which came about after Shawn refused a program with Owen, and Owen got not one pin on Hunter, and was sent into the midcard and tag ranks until he had to go to the Blue Blazer gimmick to maintain his heat.

 

We all know what happened after that.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Of course he was in on it. Any coincidence he was right there to watch Shawn's back when the bell rung?

[Guest Shaved Bear]

I feel he does this because he knows he is slipping, he now gets STeph back so he can gather some degree of heat that he lacks so throughly

 

HHH knows he is "The Game" and now people that "hunt" him like Jericho and Angle have him in the crosshairs, and now he has to play backstage stuff in order to keep them away from upstaging him

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

He's pretty damn far from being "The Game" unless you are referring to the game of politics and manipulation.

[Guest alfdogg]

Just to bring something else up:

 

DangerousA has started two of these great threads, and lots of intelligent conversation has resulted from it.

 

And BOTH times, mr. HHH mark dreamer420 (who will likely no-sell my entire post to call me a sheep) has ruined them with his flame-baiting.

 

Just saying, since it's supposedly always us HHHaters who ruin all of the intelligent threads.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

He's pretty damn far from being "The Game" unless you are referring to the game of politics and manipulation.

i meant that everyone is going to grab his spot basically because he is showing signs that he is no longer able to hold it

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Cut it out. Just because someone isn't screaming "DIE HHH DIE!" dosen't mean they're a troll.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Agreed. dreamer420 is entitled to his opinion.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

As far as my opinion goes..I could care less what happens backstage. *shrugs* I'll like/dislike a person based on their in ring preformance, and how they're booked in skits, etc.

 

Right now, I don't like HHH. Or Lesnar, Bradshaw, Bubba Dudley, Hogan..

 

*shrugs*

 

But when it comes to 'hate'..the only person I truly despise is Austin. X-pac comes close.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Wow, Smarkzone, that's a complete turnaround. I approve. *Sigh* I remember when Dreamer was still new here, and arguing with the Might Damamaru. Not an insult, just saying.

[Guest alfdogg]

Agreed. dreamer420 is entitled to his opinion.

Oh he's definitely entitled to his opinion. But both of these threads DA made dreamer has ruined by being a fuckin asshole. I wsn't trying to imply that he was a troll.

[Guest M Nyland]

Why does HHH feel he needs to do what he does?

 

1) Because he has the means (Steph)

2) Because he has the motive (Revenge)

3) Because he knows that he can due to 1)

4) He has a definite ego problem due most likely to 1)

 

 

1) He has Steph. He has the ace in the hole when it comes to getting what he wants. Whether or not he has actually used this power is still rampant net speculation, but he has to know that he has the power. Every person in that situation would KNOW they had it and would probably use it.

 

2) After the MSG incident he was punished heavily and was held down by management and other wrestlers. After he was able to claw his way out of that he suddenly finds himself at the top with guys JUST LIKE HIM staring him down for a main event spot. HHH had what it took in 2000, the same things he had in 2000 are the things that Jericho, Angle, RVD, and others have NOW...and because he went through the "depush punishment"...he may feel that he needs to do the same now that he has alot of management on his side. This is all speculation but seems accurate.

 

3) Like I stated above, he KNOWS that he can get away with it because of all the friends in high places that he has. Vince must listen to him, because that is what Steph wants...Steph is the head booker of SD...HHH's show......it's alot easier to manipulate with her at the head. As stated....we would probably all do this in a situation if it would make us look good and not get us caught.

 

4) His ego has been out of control. Sure his "character" is "THE GAME" but it seems to be that he acts just like that outside the ring (i.e. the prep talk before RAW) as he does when he is in character on screen. If you read his quotes he seemed to put himself on a higher step than the others, making himself out to be a great star whilst everyone else are nothing but jobbers and curtain jerkers...

 

This is at a meeting at a show that he DOESN'T APPEAR ON. Why was HHH at this show in the first place? I don't hear of SD and RAW wrestlers traveling together even though their shows are close together. HHH should not be concentrating on the business side and instead should be concentrating on "making himself a better worker" just as he told all of the others on Monday.

 

Follow your own creed, Hunter!

 

He has done nothing of any value since coming back in January and seems to be more unwelcome and welcome to the IWC and even to some marks. I know many a mark fan that actually HATE Triple H even though he is supposedly a face.

 

 

I have spoken my piece...I hope it all makes sense as I was trying to figure out exactly what I wanted to say on the fly...

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Great thread, DA, as always.

 

Here are my thoughts:

 

I honestly think HHH thinks he knows what's good for the business much like Vince himself, which maybe why he does some of the stuff he's been reported to have done. BUT, I also do think he's also motivated for his own selfish reasons, something EVERY main eventer has done at one time or another, which is why I rarely give a damn about the backstage stuff and only care about the in-ring product.

 

Really, like it's been said before, he's doing something very few of us would hesitate to do because it gets him more exposure and more money at the same time maintaining his spot. Flair did it, Hogan did it, Austin recently did it, and there are probably quite a few more who've done the same.

 

So while I can sit behind a computer(this is NOT smarks-hating, BTW) and talk shit about a guy who's doing what he thinks is best for himself and the company, I(and quite a few others) DO need to understand that wrestling is probably one of the most selfish businesses around and if you don't do anything to preserve your legacy, you end up forgotten like Dynamite Kid instead of remembered like many of the big names that established themselves as being constant with the word "wrestling" like Flair, Hogan, Austin, Rock, HBK, and Bret Hart.

 

That's about all I have to say and hopefully I didn't tarnish this great thread with my incoherent rambling.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Nyland, this just my opinion, but I don't think revenge figures into it at all because if he REALLY wanted revenge on anyone concerning the MSG incident, he would have targeted his buddies who left him high and dry. In a way, he got his revenge when he became the WWF Champion and was pushed to the moon.

[Guest M Nyland]

yeah...I figured someone would say it....it was my twisted view of the situation...and it is my opinion...

 

HBK had some pull back then and could have used it against Triple H if he would have targeted them, so he stayed their friend and used the pull they have to his advantage......it seems plausible

[Guest jester]

Also I don't see that it is a big deal that he is dating Stephanie.

Here's why it's a big deal. She's management, he's labor.

 

First, let's just assume for a second that the rumors of HHH's backstage antics are 100% wrong, and that Steph has always written angles fairly (if not always successfully) with no undue influence from her boyfriend, or extra consideration for him.

 

Their dating is still wrong.

 

It's called "the appearance of impropriety." In a business, you do not do anything that could even look slightly suspicious, even if your intentions are totally innocent.

 

Look at it this way (and this is an extreme example, I apologize for being so dramatic). Let's say there's a black man on trial in court. One of the members of the jury is a member of the KKK, but swears he can put his beliefs aside and examine the facts and pure legal matters of the case.

 

Is it possible that he could put aside his prejudices and act solely on the evidence and law to render a fair verdict? Sure. It's in the realm of possibility.

 

Would he be allowed to sit on the jury after admitting to being in the Klan? NO FUCKING WAY. Nor should he be allowed.

 

Because of the appearance of impropriety. Like I said, even if the relationship between HHH and Steph was totally clean, how would you feel as a wrestler going to management if you felt you had a legitimate beef with HHH? Maybe your complaint would be handled reasonably and fairly, but what would you as a worker think? On the other hand, what if she had no personal connection to the wrestlers, you'd be much more comfortable with making your view known, which could lead to improvements in your working environment.

 

As long as they are in a relationship, they should not be involved in the business of WWE like this. If they were on separate shows and could truly not influence each other, I'd be ok with it.

 

Anyway, my longwinded speech on why it matters.

 

jester

[Guest NoCalMike]

My opinion on backstage politics is, unless Vince is unaware of it, then it is HIS responsibility to take a wrestler(s) aside and lay down the law. Triple H holding anyone back/down is a shitty thing, but he could not possibly get away with manipulating any bookings if the man who oversees everything didn't allow it...BOTTOMLINE.....

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Hell, this is the easiest question I've ever seen.

 

HHH is the top guy. (Not really, obviously, but as far as the company goes he's the main #1 wrestler)

 

HHH wants to stay the top guy.

 

Now unless HHH stars in a movie, learns to breakdance, or teaches himself martial arts and kick chairs at people, he's not gonna be the top guy for much longer.

 

So HHH screws with the guys below him so they don't move up into his spot.

 

Simple.

 

Why do people do this? Because the're people, and people are stupid. All the other guys want to be #1. But the're also fine at 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. If HHH went to 2 or 3 or 4, he would be miserable, cuz he used to be 1. It's the same reason Austin left, and the reason Taker will leave when he loses the title, instead of moving into the midcard. The exception to this is Flair, but he's old, and old people are very unpredictable, as well as a little difficult to understand.

[Guest Whatmaniac]

Here's a few scenarios we got to look at from 2000:

 

Jericho beats HHH relatively clean in April 2000. Not only is the decision reversed later due to a fast count, but HHH got his job back THE VERY SAME NIGHT in a six-man tag. He then proceeded to go over him again in the LMS match, sending him back to the midcard for well over a year.

 

But it was the fake title reign that transformed Jericho from just another midcarder to a legitimate contender for the title. In both their rematch in June and in their PPV match, Jericho was made to look like Triple H's equal in the ring. I guess one could say that Triple H made Jericho.

 

 

Chris Benoit was constantly being teased to take the title from Rocky, and was looked at as the top heel in the company by some. Well, HHH beats him at No Mercy, then turns heel to reveal himself as the instigattor of the hit-and-run on Austin, re-establishing himself as the top heel and leaving Benoit high, dry, and fighting BILLY GUNN in the midcard. He hasn't made it back to the main event since, save KOTR 2001, which is the night he was injured.

 

The impromptu nature of Triple H's heel turn made it look like he was tasked with salvaging the Austin/Rikishi feud. Also, prior to the heel turn, Triple H seemed to be en route to a title match with Angle at Survivor Series 2000. So the heel turn did not seem planned.

 

Has everyone forgotten how Triple H and Austin busted their asses to give Beniot and Jericho their biggest and possbly their best match in the WWF to date? Even after tearing his quad, he still tried to make Beniot and Jericho look like a million dollars. Had he not gooten hurt, it is very likely that he would have jobbed to Chris Beniot at King of the Ring 2001.

 

 

Kurt Angle was well on his way to becoming the top heel in the company in the Steph/Angle/HHH love triangle, even establishing himself as a badass on the way, but thanks to job to Hunter at Unforgiven and aforementioned heel turn, he was sent back to the cowardly heel and was an afterthought amidst the Cripple H/Austin feud.

 

Kurt Angle got the WWF title during this time and his match with the Rock at No Way Out 2001 was higher on the card than the TRiple H/Austin match. I believe you are mistaken in regards to Angle's character development. Kurt did not become a badass until after he lost the title.

 

HHH is injured in 2001.

 

During his absence, RVD is arguably the 2nd-most over face in the company, and main eventing PPVs with Austin and Angle, Jericho wins the title, and Booker T appears to be headed for a feud with Austin.

 

You have not demonstrated any logical connection between these events. One culd just as easily say that the mediocre Invasion angle was the result of Triple H's injury.

 

RVD comes very close to winning the belt from Jericho, then pins him in a tag match.

 

Again, no logical connection has been established. Anyway, that whole feud was a misconception since neither man could have afforded a clean loss.

 

Fast-forward to January 2002.

 

RVD curtain jerks RAW against Test on the night of Hunter's return.

 

Kurt Angle (the most over heel in the company)is the chosen target for a HHH beatdown on the very same night.

 

At the time, this seemed logical, since Triple H was making his big return and he needed a high-profile feud to justify all the hype. Who could have predicted that a Triple H/Angle feud would not result in at least one **** match?

 

RVD is eliminated from the Rumble in two minutes after being knocked cold...by (gasp) a pedigree.

 

I have yet to see any evidence that wrestler's performance in the Royal Rumble has any negative impact on his career. After all, Chyna got eliminated very quickly in the 1999 Royal Rumble without any ill effects on her position.

 

His pops are reportedly edited starting that Thursday.

 

Emphasis on "reportedly". This has not been conclusively proven.

 

The Booker T-Austin feud is blown off on said Thursday, and Booker begins fighting Edge over shampoo.

 

Booker went over Triple H relatively cleanly in the process. It was Triple H's first loss upon returning and this was hyped up for a couple of weeks.

And how exactly is fighting Edge over Shampoo a step down from brawling in a supermarket and hiding in a church?

 

Hunter's buddies are brought in (including X-Pac...don't tell me he'd be getting a push now if he wasn't friends with anyone like that, infuriating Austin (rightly so) to the point where he walks out for two weeks after WM.

 

The NWO did not get a single high-profile win or any title shots. They were made to look like incompetent morons in their feud with Austin.

 

Jericho gets ONE clean win during his title reign, over Maven.

 

The problem that you are referring to afflicted Jericho from the moment he turned heel. He was made to look like a jobber before he won the title and well before Triple H came back. Apparently, there is someone different to blame for the mismanagement of Jericho's title reign.

 

 

He also is made to look like Stephanie's servant, and gets made to look like a complete and total pussy until the week prior to WM.

 

At the same time, Triple H was made to look like a blithering idiot with the Stephanie McMahon pregancy angle( and thank god that did not last long), the wedding vows ceremony, the Lucy angle, and the overall problem of Stephanie putting herself over everyone. The bad booking sapped away Triple H's heat and caused his title reign to be FUBARred before it even began.

 

Now WM:

 

Let's get back to 2000 for a sec. THREE clean jobs by Foley to HHH. MADE HIS GODDAMMED CAREER.

 

At the same time, a series of stellar high-profile matches with Jericho, Beniot, and Angle, in which Triple H worked his ass off to make his opponents look good were instrumental in propelling all three of them to main event status.

 

Think HHH remembered that at WM?

 

FUCK NO.

 

That was the night I lost all respect for Paul Levesque as a human being.

 

He was not over, not in enough shape, was responsible for the worst match of Kurt Angle's career at NWO, came back months early from an injury...and gets the title.

 

He was still very over (how could he not be with all those music videos?), and his matches, while not up to his usual standard were decent, and with all the hype that had surrounded his return, how could the WWF justify not putting the title on him? In any event, they needed someone new to hold the title. Jericho was flopping as champion and Triple H had not held the title in almost two years, so he was as good a choice as any.

 

Nope, no politics there.

 

Oh...notice I said RESPECT.

 

I never LIKED HHH, contrary to what dreamer or any of the other anti-HHHaters want to tell you. But I did respect his work in 2000.

 

Then comes Judgment Day.

 

HHH, with NO reason at ALL to do it, beats Jericho yet again in Hell in a Cell, even Pedigreeing him on top of the cage. Guess the risk of them both falling through and possibly ending both careers was worth Jericho's burial. There goes any chance of me EVER gaining any respect for him again.

 

The match did not really affect the pushes of either man. Triple H always makes Jericho look good so the loss does not hurt that much.

 

Jericho made the biggest mistake of his life by resigning.

 

Now onto John Cena...IMO, he would've made a name for himself immediately had he been able to slap Vince, regardless of whether it was "too early for him" or not. But HHH changed it, thus holding back Cena, and guess who gets made into a bitch instead?

 

Jericho.

 

Triple H's ammendment was an improvement. His match with Jericho made more sense and Jericho had a reason for wanting this match. If Cena had slapped Mcmahon, the match would not have had as much heat since Jericho does not really work as a "punishment" opponent, especially after Cena went toe-to-toe with Kurt Angle, Smackdown's top heel. The only appalling thing about this whole affair is that Triple H had a better idea than the bookers did.

 

Booker T, who was finally being looked at as getting a decent push, can't get anyone to give him a rub backstage. None of HHH's buddies will do it. God forbid one of JR's precious hosses do it. So Eddie Guerrero, who has more of a future in the sport than Book does, gets to do the job.

 

How is Triple H responsible for the actions of his old clique buddies? Nash has shown that he can wreck people's careers without any help.

 

While HHH is getting pushed to the moon, Benoit, who appears to have come back at full form, and when he was READY, needs three people to beat Jeff FUCKING Hardy.

 

Really, I thought Triple H was at home rehabbing his injured elbow. Besides, the slow steady push of Beniot shows that the bookers have learned from their mistakes with Triple H and are not throwing him back into the main event until they are sure that he is ready.

 

And how is Triple H still getting pushed to the moon? before he got hurt again, he was spending as much time wrestling in the midcard as he did in the main event. Edge was the one being portrayed as the number one babyface on Smackdown before he got hurt. The only reason that Triple H has not been further depushed has been the shortage of main event faces on Smackdown.

 

Believe me, I could keep going, but I'm done.

 

I'll leave you with this:

 

I don't recall saying anything there that was untrue.

 

A very selective supply of facts with some very specious reasoning.

 

So if you can read all that, give it logical thought...

 

and STILL me HHH has no power or influence...

 

The I honestly don't know what to say to you.

 

I don't disagree that he has some power, but I think people tend to grossly exaggerate how much he really has and they tend to blame him for things that are not his fault, but are rather the failures of creative team. Even supposing Triple H does make creative suggestions and they result in catastrophe, it is still the fault of Vince McMahon and his creative staff for listening to bad advice. The buck does stop with Vince after all.

[Guest Diesel]

Every major wrestler plays backstage games, even the great Ric Flair.

[Guest Ripper]

What will it take to make people understand that Stephanie does not WRITE a fucking thing. She is not a writer. It is not her job. Her job title doesn't suggest that she is a writer. SHE IS NOT A WRITER. SHE IS NOT A WRITER!!!!!!

 

Christ, Shane is over the new media department of WWE, do you think that he designs the website?

 

With that said(for what will no doubt be the 1000th ignored time) acting like Steph is taking a pen and writing a show around her man and it goes to television is RIDICULOUS. HHH is pushed JUST as hard as Angle and Rock and Austin. JUST AS HARD. Only when HHH gets a win, it is politicing. Angle wins everything within a year and no one bats a eye. Austin doesn't job without massive, armegeddon type interference(5-6 guys minimum) and no one bats a eye. Rock...well thats tough becaue he jobs to everyone, but still you get the point.

 

HHH since his return has jobbed to Jerhico, Angle, Test, Hogan, Taker and Booker T. Clean to Booker T, and realitively clean to Jerhico and Test. Yet you still say he doesn't job. Should he have won the Rumble or the title...no. But you can't say that he is the first champ to have the title when he shouldn't have(looks at Angle and the worst face run in recent history even beating out HHH and Hogan). You say politics, I say being in the company damn near a decade and working your way to the top. Taker gets the title, and what in the hell did he do over HHH. Well....He squashed some Hardys.

 

The WWE believes that when times are rough, you put the title on a proven star. HHH was the ONLY proven star at the time, wheter you like it or not. I don't like the whole proven star thing, but that is way they do things.

 

You look at Jerhico beating HHH clean and HHH getting the title back because of a fast count. Hmm. sounds familer to the heel work that Jerhico was praised for in WCW. He wins at the LMS, but no one can say that he didn't put Jerhico over in that match.

 

HHH (kinda) turning back heel to be the mastermind behind the Austin thing...yeah, it was a bad idea...of course everyone would have moaned if they had done what the crowds wanted and turned him to the top face. This all lead to the clean job to Taker at Mania BTW.

 

For every HHH is holding em down theory you have, you can look to the writting committee for botching it with what they thought was a good idea. (the COMMITTEE, not the one person that presides over the meetings and tosses some of her ideas the writers way along with other bookers.)

[Guest Brian]

But she puts together the shows. She meets with the writers and tells them what she wants to see. She coordinates sometimes. She brainstorms with them. And she's the last edit before Vince.

[Guest Ripper]

"She meets with the writers and tells them what she wants to see"

 

See this is the part that is always a flaw. It makes it seem as though her direction is the direction that SHE wants to go. The writing committe and booking committes brainstorm together. She IS the last line of edit before Vince McMahon yet what she takes to Vince is approved by the writting committee. The booking group, and management decide who they want to push, and relay it to the writers the come back with something and they discuss what is good about it and what is crap.

 

That is taken to Vince who either approves it or changes what he wants.

 

How this can be turned into Steph writting the whole show is beyond me. The lead writer on Smackdown is Heyman and on Raw is that other guy(his name excapes me at the moment). Yet if either show is bad, all the internet writers say "Fire Steph!!!" If it is a good show they applaud the writer of the show. It makes no sense.

[Guest Brian]

Prior to splitting the writing crew, Steph was notorious, just as Vince had done in the past in the same position, for writing whole shows based on her guidelines and ignoring the ideas of the booking crew. She presents a direction for each show and talks it over with the writers, what she wants to see or what Vince wants to see. Than they go off to work on their own. They come back to her with what they have. She edits it a first time and gives it to the agents to look over. Sometimes the agents don't even look at it until the final worthrough. A second time back to the writers where they are allowed to work out odds and ends. Than she edits it again and it goes to Vince. It comes aback to her and they go through a final walkthrough with the agents and writers.

 

You don't think being daddy's little girl means that she can't push her own stuff. She brainstorms with them. She presents what direction they're looking for. She's the last line of edit before her father gets it. And she goes to her husband for help, ideas, and direction. Geez, and people wonder why Triple H gets as much shit as he does. But if you look at the process, he's in Steph's ear. And he's sitting there. And Steph's in Vince's ear. Sure Vince is to blame but every other period has been like this, whether it's been Steph or Patterson or whomever.

[Guest alfdogg]

What will it take to make people understand that Stephanie does not WRITE a fucking thing. She is not a writer. It is not her job. Her job title doesn't suggest that she is a writer. SHE IS NOT A WRITER. SHE IS NOT A WRITER!!!!!!

 

Christ, Shane is over the new media department of WWE, do you think that he designs the website?

 

With that said(for what will no doubt be the 1000th ignored time) acting like Steph is taking a pen and writing a show around her man and it goes to television is RIDICULOUS. HHH is pushed JUST as hard as Angle and Rock and Austin. JUST AS HARD. Only when HHH gets a win, it is politicing. Angle wins everything within a year and no one bats a eye. Austin doesn't job without massive, armegeddon type interference(5-6 guys minimum) and no one bats a eye. Rock...well thats tough becaue he jobs to everyone, but still you get the point.

 

HHH since his return has jobbed to Jerhico, Angle, Test, Hogan, Taker and Booker T. Clean to Booker T, and realitively clean to Jerhico and Test. Yet you still say he doesn't job. Should he have won the Rumble or the title...no. But you can't say that he is the first champ to have the title when he shouldn't have(looks at Angle and the worst face run in recent history even beating out HHH and Hogan). You say politics, I say being in the company damn near a decade and working your way to the top. Taker gets the title, and what in the hell did he do over HHH. Well....He squashed some Hardys.

 

The WWE believes that when times are rough, you put the title on a proven star. HHH was the ONLY proven star at the time, wheter you like it or not. I don't like the whole proven star thing, but that is way they do things.

 

You look at Jerhico beating HHH clean and HHH getting the title back because of a fast count. Hmm. sounds familer to the heel work that Jerhico was praised for in WCW. He wins at the LMS, but no one can say that he didn't put Jerhico over in that match.

 

HHH (kinda) turning back heel to be the mastermind behind the Austin thing...yeah, it was a bad idea...of course everyone would have moaned if they had done what the crowds wanted and turned him to the top face. This all lead to the clean job to Taker at Mania BTW.

 

For every HHH is holding em down theory you have, you can look to the writting committee for botching it with what they thought was a good idea. (the COMMITTEE, not the one person that presides over the meetings and tosses some of her ideas the writers way along with other bookers.)

Stephanie IS a writer. The HEAD writer. You're the only person denying that.

 

Kurt Angle is an olympic gold medalist, and Vince likes pushing those people to the moon (see Henry, Mark).

 

A LOT of people on here bitch about Austin's politics.

 

The Booker T job was NOT clean. Christian interfered, and so did Steph.

 

The Test job had interference from Lance Storm, and Taker's distraction.

 

Jericho's job had Taker's distraction.

 

If it was anyone besides your hero HHH that did these jobs, you'd be bitching about them just like you do about Angle.

 

Angle at least had good matches duirng his title runs, unlike HHH's most recent one.

 

Taker has made RVD look good, and you could make an argument for Jeff Hardy as well. He has tried a lot harder than HHH since HHH's comeback.

 

I guess Austin and Rocky aren't as "proven stars" as HHH. Typical HHH mark statement.

 

About the reversed title change...it wasn't that I was complaining abou, it was the fact that he had to get his job back that very night. So this is just you not thinking about what I said and just looking to argue instead. Yeah, he put Jericho over in the LMS match...so over that Jericho was in the midcard for over a year afterwards.

 

Taker was supposed to job to HHH originally after Shawn's interference, which meant Hunter being the one to end Taker's WM record. Yeah, I'm really sure the crowd wanted him as top face over Rock and Austin or even Jericho at that point.

 

Anyway, all you are is obviously just a HHH mark, because only a HHH mark would post something as asinine as this.

[Guest Ripper]

Yeah...I am mark...that posted alot of fact while you are using assuptions.

 

I could care less about HHH. He is cool as a heel, whatever, whatever. I just don't buy all that crap that you obviously have dived head first into.

 

"Stephanie IS a writer. The HEAD writer. You're the only person denying that."

 

Maybe because I am the only person that actually wanted to find out what she did and not just want to have someone to put a target on. She is Head of the Writing Committee. Not the same as writer.

 

Yes, Rock and Austin had star power...but Austin had just come of a disaterous title run and if he had not been a bitch and half assed it in the ring, might have been part of a sucessful NWO angle. Rock was busy having the biggest drawing match in recent history. Oops...there goes that pesky historic fact thing again.

 

Everyone wants to ignore Jerhico himself talking about how HHH and X-pac were the main ones that got him to fit into the WWF and HHH elevated him...and who did he go back to the midcard to have matches against...Kurt...Angle... Then he was elevated into the main event again...Who was that guy wrestling Austin and HHH when HHH got hurt??? But lets forget all of this because this goes against the whole HHH is evil theory...

 

HHH suffered losses due to people standing there and HHH was talking shiot to them...sorry that is a clean loss. AND YOU KNOW IT. Only if its HHH its not clean anymore...then it is holding down.

 

Whatever.

[Guest alfdogg]

Wel, since you can't reply to me without flaming me, I'll just let this die.