Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Actually Edge is still a WWF creation so Vince will make him get pushed more most likely. Others will be scaled back in his place. Maybe they will move him to Raw where he can be put in the top face role instead of RVD. .. If that does happen, I'll say that it'll take a lot to get Edge more over than RVD at this point, but still... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Don't worry, Angle's still a WWE creation. Angle's problem is that he does not need any help getting over though so they probably don't feel the need to push him. Same mindset with RVD they just take for granted that they will be over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted July 17, 2002 It was bound to happen eventually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AM The Kid Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Okay...I don't exactly like this news, but I don't mind Steph. It could work you guys, get your heads out of your asses and just wait a little while before you make your conclusions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wwF1587 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 ::Begins to cry softly::.... HA! I DONT GET UPN! I GET TO WATCH THE BETTER SHOW! SACKDOWN! SUCKS!... ::continues to cry::....damn you Vince.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Why should we wait to make conclusions? This isn't push #123 for Test or something. This is the typical WWE quick fix...McMahons = ratings. Well, guess what? That was true 4 years ago and stopped being true around WrestleMania 2000 (if we're generous). Steph never has any usefulness beyond two week stretches. Vince is OK but he's been on TV too much. Shane hasn't been on since November aside from Monday night AND can cut a better promo than Steph ever could. No offense, but they could call me right now, say "Hey JHawk, want to be on-air GM of SmackDown?", and it will take longer for you guys to get sick of me! This is twice in eight months Steph's been allowed to return from a permanent layoff (and even if we say "Well, the triple threat stip wasn't really a contract", Survivor Series WAS, and I'm sick of unexplained logic gaps), and this is after we said flat out that WE ARE FUCKING SICK OF STEPHANIE! Sorry for shouting, but dammit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Down Below Report post Posted July 17, 2002 So long as Smackdown still generates two hours of entertaining wrestling/sports entertainment, I don't have a huge problem with this. I mean, so long as Bischoff & Steph are booked to put over the talent and verbally elevate guys like Angle, Benoit, RVD, Jericho, Edge, Booker T etc, by saying how much they want these guys on their brand, I don't have a problem with the latest developments. If however Bischoff & Steph just put themselves over, brag about previous accomplishments and talk about how much they respect the Taker or HHH, then I will be tremendously pissed off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted July 17, 2002 "PWTorch.com reader Paul Santarelli attended the tapings and writes: "The new GM is Stephanie McMahon. She looked good, dressed conservatively, and didn't sound all that annoying (almost as if there was something in her throat and she couldn't squeal). She got a big reaction when she came out followed by slut chants, but her promo about keeping all of the smackdown stars on Smackdown and not giving anything to Bischoff was well taken. From the looks of it, I would say she is going to play a babyface character. She made no mention of her relationship with Triple H other than saying that she will be laughing when he chooses to stay on Smackdown instead of going to Raw." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I've got a question for you guys...storyline wise, I doubt HHH will want to be on a Steph run SD, so he may end up on Raw, giving it more star power. However....given their political games in the back, do you think it will be worse now that most likely their power is spread over two shows? Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BoboBrazil Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Steph and HHH always attended both Raw and Smackdown anyway. This changes nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted July 17, 2002 They are probably going to find a way to get HHH on both shows anyway so it is a moot point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JimmyHendricks Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I don't post here often, but I visit all the time. This is a quote from HHH (well, as best as I can remember it) from his DVD: "Steph is so convincing on TV that smart marks, people who know everything about the business, hate her. They want her off of TV and think she is a ratings killer. But what they don't understand is that when she is on TV, ratings are good. That's because she plays that character so well and is so good at what she does." Yeah Paul, whatever. **COUGHpussywhippedbitchCOUGH** I wonder how long it'll be before Steph and HHH get back together, and then HHH defeats Bischoff in a "Winner gets total control of both shows" match, and we have the McMahon-Helmsley regime all over again. And the bad (and sad) thing is, this is what the WWE thinks is good for us. This is what they think will pull them out of the ratings toilet. This whole storyline favors only TWO people: Stephanie and HHH. Stephanie gets to be in charge of Smackdown, and she gets the chance to be on RAW as well, since all the wrestler's contracts are negotiable. And she'll get booed out of the building every week, not because she's a good character, but because she really is THAT DAMN BAD. But Vince will say to himself "Hey, she's getting some major heat! Wow! She's such a great heel! Let's put her on TV more often!" And HHH will become the center of attention, as he'll have to decide whether or not to go with Steph or Bischoff. And 75% of the show will revolve around that, and we will supposed to care. And some people actually think that HHH isn't being favored because he'll sleeping with the head booker. And some people actually think that Stephanie is a fair head writer with the company's best interests in mind. And how will this help Jericho? Either he signs with the guy that held him down for years, or he signs with Steph and becomes her personal bitch. Gee, I wonder which one will happen. FUCK YOU, WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mach7 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I just hope she hasn't dropped any of her looks. She' gorgeous IMO. Yeah, if by "gorgeous" you mean "fucking hideous" - then I agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Steph was gorgeous pre-boob job (as Dames' sig pic would suggest). Of course she didn't talk as much pre-boob job either, and that whiny voice makes he significantly less hot. All of you who have been clamoring for this bitch's return TV can officially go to hell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Smackdown sucks but television is right again because Newsradio is back on A&E. In fact its on at 2 so it goes head to head with Kids in the Hall its like Dave Foley battling himself for ultimate daytime television supremacy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 17, 2002 There are many different emotions running through me, it is really hard to convey them into words... Anger, Disappointment, sadness, indifference, apathy.. You get the point. I don't like Steph the performer. I don't like steph the writer. Hell, I don't like the Mcmahon family period because I feel they ruined professional wrestling. This distain aside, this bias taken out of the situation, Steph as GM of Smackdown is WRONG. Not because she is a horrible actress. Not because she is a horrible writer. Not because she is a Mcmahon. The reason is BECAUSE THEY SAID SHE WOULD NEVER BE ON OUR TV'S AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! The Wwf will say their ratings are down because the wrestling industry is cyclical. I won't get into the absurdity of that statement, I will just say it's wrong. Some will say it's because there are no new stars, some will say it's because the Wwf stopped being cool, some will say it's because of the mcmahons being on TV so much. Sure, those are factors, but ultimately the reason is the Wwf screws its fans every single month it seems. There is a difference between CHANGE and the PERCEPTION OF CHANGE. The inVasion angle was supposed to bring change, it didn't. Ric Flair was supposed to bring change, it didn't. The NWO were supposed to bring change, it didn't. The split was supposed to bring change, it didn't. The Wwf was still pushing the same guys with the same look who wrestled the same style of matches. They still used the same format, the same finishes, the same booking scheme as they have for the past 4 years or so. They have lied to the fans so much that the fans get sick of the lies. Does any one take a stipulation seriously any more? Is there any thing written in stone? Why should fans believe what Vince says, what the Wwf says? Why should they put their confidence, their faith in the Wwf product? Why should they waste, or devote, or invest their time in watching an angle when that angle becomes meaningless the next month? Consumer Confidence is incredibly important for any product to survive. Wcw lost a great deal of that confidence, that trust, they once had. The biggest Nitro ever? That became a running gag. It came to a point where no one believed it and credibility of announcers, of talent, of the show itself was destroyed. Just look at WCW in 99/2000. They changed their logo, they changed their set, they tried to change their image but it was all the perception of change, in reality the way things were run, both backstage in the ring was the same. How many ownership changes did they have in those years? How many times did they try to bring back things that worked in the past. How many thing did they do before they died that the Wwf are doing now? The Wwf are insulting their fans. Every bad storyline, every plot hole and pointless angle is a slap to the face of everyone watching. Stephanie as GM is a needless one. At Survivor Series Steph was supposed to leave forever, it took her about 4 weeks to get back on TV. Vince was supposed to hate her, but he didn't, he took her back. Steph was supposed to leave on the Raw, forever. She is back. Why, now, should we believe ANYTHING the Wwf does with her now? SHE HAS NO CREDIBILITY! THEY have no credibility! And we have no confidence in their product because of it. This is just one in a million other broken promises the Wwf has made. But fans won't stand for it much longer, hell, they are leaving because of it. They left Wcw because of it. And this one is going to be in our faces for weeks and weeks and weeks until the next 'change' will be made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrSCARY Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Not her!! Anyone but her! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest midnight_burn Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Well at least i don't get Smackdown, so i don't have to put up with Stephanie hogging TV up time. I just hope this doesn't end up with HHH moving to Raw. I like Raw, i don't want to watch fucking HHH on Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thefrenchargel Report post Posted July 17, 2002 don't worry, ratings will tank, and we will laugh. I ain't watching smackdown EVER, unless I read about a couple of really good matches on the show from now on. Strikedown Smackdown, says I. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted July 17, 2002 There are many different emotions running through me, it is really hard to convey them into words... Anger, Disappointment, sadness, indifference, apathy.. You get the point. I don't like Steph the performer. I don't like steph the writer. Hell, I don't like the Mcmahon family period because I feel they ruined professional wrestling. This distain aside, this bias taken out of the situation, Steph as GM of Smackdown is WRONG. Not because she is a horrible actress. Not because she is a horrible writer. Not because she is a Mcmahon. The reason is BECAUSE THEY SAID SHE WOULD NEVER BE ON OUR TV'S AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! The Wwf will say their ratings are down because the wrestling industry is cyclical. I won't get into the absurdity of that statement, I will just say it's wrong. Some will say it's because there are no new stars, some will say it's because the Wwf stopped being cool, some will say it's because of the mcmahons being on TV so much. Sure, those are factors, but ultimately the reason is the Wwf screws its fans every single month it seems. There is a difference between CHANGE and the PERCEPTION OF CHANGE. The inVasion angle was supposed to bring change, it didn't. Ric Flair was supposed to bring change, it didn't. The NWO were supposed to bring change, it didn't. The split was supposed to bring change, it didn't. The Wwf was still pushing the same guys with the same look who wrestled the same style of matches. They still used the same format, the same finishes, the same booking scheme as they have for the past 4 years or so. They have lied to the fans so much that the fans get sick of the lies. Does any one take a stipulation seriously any more? Is there any thing written in stone? Why should fans believe what Vince says, what the Wwf says? Why should they put their confidence, their faith in the Wwf product? Why should they waste, or devote, or invest their time in watching an angle when that angle becomes meaningless the next month? Consumer Confidence is incredibly important for any product to survive. Wcw lost a great deal of that confidence, that trust, they once had. The biggest Nitro ever? That became a running gag. It came to a point where no one believed it and credibility of announcers, of talent, of the show itself was destroyed. Just look at WCW in 99/2000. They changed their logo, they changed their set, they tried to change their image but it was all the perception of change, in reality the way things were run, both backstage in the ring was the same. How many ownership changes did they have in those years? How many times did they try to bring back things that worked in the past. How many thing did they do before they died that the Wwf are doing now? The Wwf are insulting their fans. Every bad storyline, every plot hole and pointless angle is a slap to the face of everyone watching. Stephanie as GM is a needless one. At Survivor Series Steph was supposed to leave forever, it took her about 4 weeks to get back on TV. Vince was supposed to hate her, but he didn't, he took her back. Steph was supposed to leave on the Raw, forever. She is back. Why, now, should we believe ANYTHING the Wwf does with her now? SHE HAS NO CREDIBILITY! THEY have no credibility! And we have no confidence in their product because of it. This is just one in a million other broken promises the Wwf has made. But fans won't stand for it much longer, hell, they are leaving because of it. They left Wcw because of it. And this one is going to be in our faces for weeks and weeks and weeks until the next 'change' will be made. EXACTLY!!!! HEll, I've already given up on the wwe product. Since the split, i have yet to catch one full episode of SD! I am living proof of this lost confidence you described so well. After KOR, I hadn't watched a single WWE show besides Confidential until last night. I felt the fed was going in the right direction with the long matches, no more nwo, even eric b. BUT of course they pull this shit out of their ass. For every step forward it's two steps back and it just frustrates me. I've said it before. If you don't watch the mediocre and illogical WWE product, that does not mean you are not a wrestling fan. It means you expect a quality product that entertains you and when it fails to do that, get your wrestling fix elsewhere. I know I have and I don't regret it one bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 not only is te whole owner/ceo/gm played ot...but now we have THREE FUCKING HEELS IN THE ROLE(S)..face it steph or bischoff cant be faces and nobody should kid temselves that Vince will stay off the air..gee maybe vince will turn face and fight eric and steph..that would be sucha novel idea!!!!!!!!!!! and to any surprised by steph's return..you really shouldnt be..after all vince has been "gone from tv forever ' too. fans are not going to care about 2 heels warring with each other- see when Flair was a heel Raw owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 17, 2002 well, i for one am glad that the WWE is giving us something fresh and original. This dueling owners...i mean General Managers should be very interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Razor Roman Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I'd like to go into a curse-laden tirade right now. But I actually have work to do today. I no longer have any faith in WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wwF1587 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Ya know perhaps the WWE should start listening to us "internet idiots who just stir crap". I have to say SM is beautiful. But thats it. Her voice is the most annoying thing I have ever heard. The fact that this has been done before OVER AND OVER again upsets me too. But I am one of those fans that keeps hoping the product gets better, having faith that it will get better but its not. RAW was a huge improvement. SD! is a HUGE step back. And the sad thing is, WWE will continue to say SD! was the better show. Let me spell it for ya JR... B U L L S H I T! RavishingRickRudo, you have said it best, but unfortually everyone in WWE is senial or just plain moronic. And as long as Stephanie is in booking, this crap WILL NEVER CHANGE! I have a bunch of old WW(F)! tapes coming, ya know in 98 - 00 when it didnt suck, I have to rely on those to keep me entertained cause I damn sure know that WWE isn't. I hope SD! fails miserably, I am just glad I dont have UPN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted July 17, 2002 SmackDown was the better show. Before these spoilers, it was consistent and building. RAW has had no fucking direction unti lthis week, and it's one of the reasons it's been hit and miss. And it's still lost, because where do you go now. Booker, nothing. RVD, unless they change SS plans, nothing. Benoit, oh yeah, let's risk injury again so we can get nothing of Buh Buh over in a feud that has no direction. No one wil gain any ground. Short-term, you can throw us a few bones, but long-term it's shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Well, when has the answer been more McMahons? Who knows what Vince's role will be, but I'm guessing he'll be around. I can see this HHH - Stephanie thing becoming Randy Savage - Elizabeth Wrestlemania 7 all over again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jimmy no nose Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Does anyone else think that for a month or 2 they'll just pretend that Triple H and Stephanie never were together and make no mention of it, but then out of no where they'll always be together and acting like they're married again? That seems to be what happens to every angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Razor Roman Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Does anyone else think that for a month or 2 they'll just pretend that Triple H and Stephanie never were together and make no mention of it, but then out of no where they'll always be together and acting like they're married again? That seems to be what happens to every angle. Well, I don't remember hearing that their divorce was finalized... Sheesh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I just hope she stays away from Velocity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest humongous2002 Report post Posted July 18, 2002 This whole Steph/Bischoff angle was made possible so they could still make the Lame to look like the #1 guy in the WWE. I don't know why Vince is wasting his time on a crippled, paranoid, mutant looking prick, as hard as they try in making HGH look like superman, he still not getting that much fan reaction because people want to see him as a heel, even your average mark knows that he sucks as a babyface. And it sure didn't take long for that cunt to get back on tv, I guess Vince likes to torture the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites