How can people talk shit about RVD?!

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

HOSSES~! = Spinebusters, people.

 

Then Test needs a spinebuster ASAP because HE'S A HOSS, BAH GAWD! TRY THE SAUCE!

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Yeah, what is up with that move anyway? Are they just paying tribute to Double A or something?

HOSSES~! = Spinebusters, people.

Don't you DARE disrespect the name of Double A, you BASTARD!!!!

 

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[Guest TheSmarkzone]

AA was almost a hoss, he was just vertically challenged.

[Guest Flyboy]

Yeah, what is up with that move anyway? Are they just paying tribute to Double A or something?

HOSSES~! = Spinebusters, people.

Don't you DARE disrespect the name of Double A, you BASTARD!!!!

 

:::: homicidial rage simmers down ::::

No, no..

 

I wasn't referring to AA as a hoss because he's not. I meant all the current WWE wrestlers that use spinebusters... maybe sans the Rock and Farooq.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"I can't explain what it is, but RVD will always be more over than the X division guys "

 

The reason is because the one thing that RVD knows how to do is to pop a crowd.

 

Hogan made a career out of that.

 

RVD has it too...but he's also a better wrestler than Hogan.

 

I see the limit on RVD's popularity and marketability being how far the WWE wants to take him.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

So its obvious that RVD can wrestle more than 5 minutes, anyone who ever watched his ECW matches would find the arguement that he only does 5 minutes Laughable. Perhaps it was phrased wrong, maybe the person mean't that RVD blows himself up in 5 minutes. Meandering between Spots. Like hits his trademarks and just mill around, either selling or just milling. You can't really blame RVD though, because he too has been stripped of most of his Wrestling Arsenal from the Nazi like Moveset restrictions of the WWE. Majority of ECW's matches are filled of Springboards and Table work, similar to Sabu. Can't do much of that in a given match in WWE. SO RVD does the best that he can. Also considering who he faces. in ECW it seemed that Ego's was NOT a consideration in booking, as everyone faced everyone in matches. Main eventers face low carders, Midcarders faced everyone. Not like HHH who can't seem to face Hardcore holly, Justin Credible or anyone like that, but MUST face Main Eventers Or he'll fold his arms stick out his bottom lip and Says " I don't wanna Play WHAAAAA." Of course im Paraphrasing heh

I kinda have to disagree here. I think the move restrictions actually helped RVD in the long run by getting rid of the pointless junk in his moveset which makes his matches not seem like spot-rest-spot like in his latter days in ECW.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Yeah, what is up with that move anyway? Are they just paying tribute to Double A or something?

HOSSES~! = Spinebusters, people.

Don't you DARE disrespect the name of Double A, you BASTARD!!!!

 

:::: homicidial rage simmers down ::::

No, no..

 

I wasn't referring to AA as a hoss because he's not. I meant all the current WWE wrestlers that use spinebusters... maybe sans the Rock and Farooq.

Hey... I was kidding, dammit!!!

 

:::: runs back to his room and cries ::::

 

[Guest Flyboy]

I see the limit on RVD's popularity and marketability being how far the WWE wants to take him.

True..

 

That's why he only has two t-shirts, right now. Tsk, tsk, tsk..

 

Anyone thinks the WWE is losing HUGE money over this?

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

RVD gets the biggest pops out of anyone on the RAW brand.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think they were losing a shit ton during the Invasion.

 

I think they could make some good money off RVD merchandise when he gets a push to the top.

 

But man...how many RVD shirts could they have sold during Invasion?

 

Austin was a heel so his shirts went down...HHH was gone...Angle was struggling as a face...Rock was gone for half of it.

 

RVD could have sold a ton.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

I think that "Do Unto Others" shirt sold pretty well. I have one.

[Guest Flyboy]

And I would have brought everyone they had for him..

 

Except the "Whatever" shirt... because I hate the word whatever. Long story.

 

It could be very simple..

 

Front: (going vertical) R V F'N D

Back: (has a picture of RVD pointing to himself)

 

Damnit, someone put me on the WWE marketing team!

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

The dragon shirt is cool, I don't really like the ying/yang one.

[Guest Flyboy]

I have the dragon one... his first WWF/E one.

 

I would buy the "Whatever" one except for that damn word, but I really like ying-yangs.. so I might coop and buy it.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

The Rock and Faarooq are both hosses, by the way. So that explains why they LIVE AND DIE BY THE SPINE ON THE PINE!

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Rocky is more of as "Stud" than a "Hoss"

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

Stud, hoss, stallion, horse, bull...

[Guest redbaron51]

I know he can work longer than 5 minutes, but he uses all of his damn energy up in 5 minutes or less, then his opponent (which is sad to see Hardy carrying RVD through a match) has to carry RVD. If RVD had a bit more of an arsenal like say Benoit, Angle, Jericho, Guerrero, Austin, Undertaker (that may be pushing it) then he can work well. But as the match gets longer, it seems like he tends to blow all of his energy in the early part, and wait for a spot to happen.

 

He would never last as a credible WWE World Champion.

[Guest chirs3]

I'm a little late coming into this thread, but here's my take on RVD.

 

He does wrestle a spot-to-spot-to-spot kind of style. But what's great about RVD is he does things nobody else does. And he's being put up against a monster like Lesnar, so I'm too caught up yelling "YES! PIN HIM, YOU SHIT! PIN HIM!" to notice that he just hit his 500th WWE Rolling Thunder. He's fun to watch in the ring.

 

I wouldn't mind him picking up a few more general moves - suplexes, slams, that sort of thing - but he's got about a dozen signature's that are his and his alone, so of course he's going to want to hit all or most of them in a match.

 

Given the right opponent, he can work really good-to-great matches (not to say he needs to be carried, but a good opponent always helps), and he's crazy over.

 

Edit: Just because I want to, and am bored, I'm gonna list his signatures. These are moves that are either entirely his, or almost entirely his. Lemme know if I miss any.

 

-- Rolling Thunder

-- Rolling Thunder with Cartwheel instead of Roll

-- Spinning Legdrop

-- Backflip into cover

-- Splitlegged Moonsault

-- Jumpkick (not dropkick, jumpkick) from the top rope

-- Step-over heel kick

-- Asai Moonsault on the outside

-- Legdrop over the guardrail

-- Second-rope or top-rope flying crossbody (when thrown into corner)

-- Three shoulder-tackle corner spot

-- Monkey Flip

-- Van Daminator

-- Van Terminator

-- Five Star Frog Splash

 

Throw a few regular moves in there, suplexes and whatnot, and add all his kicks, and that's fine with me.

[Guest Flyboy]

He would never last as a credible WWE World Champion.

 

Funny... really.

[Guest TheSmarkzone]

He would never last as a credible WWE World Champion.

 

What is not credible about him? He's an amazing athlete and crazy over. Yeah, the fans would never buy RVD as the champ...

 

To quote Eddie Guerrero...you're one vato loco, essa.

 

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"I know he can work longer than 5 minutes, but he uses all of his damn energy up in 5 minutes or less, then his opponent (which is sad to see Hardy carrying RVD through a match) has to carry RVD. "

 

 

What the hell is your definition of carrying?

 

Every HArdy vs. RVD match I saw was a spotfest.

 

And no one gets carried through a spot fest.

 

There is no psychology to it...so no one is leading in that department.

 

Jeff wasn't doing his spots for him...so that's wrong.

 

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKIONG ABOUT?

[Guest Austin3164life]

Yes... yes it was.

 

Ended with a Kick-Wham-Stunner on RVD. And the only reason RVD was IN the match was to boost the PPV rating because he was so over at the time (and still is).

I actually think that Angle was more out of place in that three way than RVD. Austin had the big blowoff match with Angle on Raw in which Austin was shown as a still-strong Alliance leader, after his two week hiatus. RVD was becoming the "leader" of the Alliance, and that was obviously conflicting to Austin. I wanted RVD to feud with Austin but the WWF added Angle to the mix to build up the death of the Alliance. But, RVD can work a good match that lasts more than 5 minutes. For the style of wrestling he performs, he does it very well.

[Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair]

Even as the biggest RVD mark, he STALLED WAYYY too much in his ECW matches.

Im a Huge RVD mark and I would have to agree go back and watch Guilty As Charged 2001 (I think) in his match against Lynn and he staled heaps to much.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

RVD is quite capable of working a 5 minutes and up match, although I'm not sure he could do it as a heel, as a heel has to control a larger portion of the match. Rvd's offense is more suited for comebacks, not beatdowns.

 

Best spinebuster at the moment is Batista's I say. I enjoy stiff moves that probably hurt Randy Orton. Oh and I assume the move is done so much because A: It's really easy to do and B: It's not a hard bump to take. Same thing with neckbreakers and sleepers.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

The reason RVD is a top face in the ring is for these 2 simple reasons:

 

1. His bumping is top notch (he takes simple moves like a DDT and makes them look awesome...his taking of the pedigree on his face or the Stunner straight on his neck...or when Regal pulls him back straight on his neck and head...beauty)

 

2. He's so popular that fans give a shit about his comebacks...BIG TIME.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

To be fair..

 

Saying RVD is "spot-spot-spot"..you'd have to go the other direction, too. Lots of WWE guys are "spot-spot-spot". How about Austin? Mudhole stomp, Thesz Press, Stunner. Triple H? Facebuster, High Knee, Pedigree. Angle? Belly to Belly, Angle Slam, Anklelock. See my point?

 

Pointing out RVD just because he does high spots is kind of a cheap shot. If anything, everybody in the WWE is a 'spot wrestler'..because look what most matches degenerate into?

 

"spot-spot-spot".

[Guest I Fear Hogans Air Guitair]

1. His bumping is top notch (he takes simple moves like a DDT and makes them look awesome...his taking of the pedigree on his face or the Stunner straight on his neck...or when Regal pulls him back straight on his neck and head...beauty)

Yeah that is true anyone remeber Invasion Last Year Hardygave him a DDT and RVD Dropped right on his head and leats not forget Dreamers piledriver.

[Guest Zero_Cool]

Getting back to talk about the bastardization (is that a word) of the spinebuster...what's with every single wrestler using knife edge chops these days? Here's something I've noticed of the main chop users in the WWF.

 

2000: Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho...that's about it

2002: Steve Austin, The Rock, Booker T, Big Show, X-Pac (I think), Benoit, Jericho, Angle, Edge,

 

I'm not really sure about Pac, Edge, or Angle, by the way. Ric Flair is excused simply because he helped make the move popular.

 

We should make a list for the growth of the use in spinebusters.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I have honestly never seen Big Show throw a knife-edge chop before.

 

Something else that annoys me a little bit is when Buh-Buh Ray slaps someone on their chest and the crowd of trained seals goes "WOOOOOOOO!". Save that for REAL chops, dammit!