Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I heard people saying shit like, "They shouldn't put the title on RVD, he can't work for longer than 5 minutes." Have you completely missed his entire WWE run? InVasion, vs. Jeff Hardy - Great match, well over 5 minutes SummerSlam, vs. Jeff Hardy - Another great match, well over 5 minutes Unforgiven, vs. Y2J - F'n amazing match, well over 5 minutes No Mercy, vs. ?? - Don't remember who he wrestled here Survivor Series, Alliance vs. WWF - Great performance once again Vengeance, vs. Undertaker - Awesome hardcore match, well over 5 minutes Royal Rumble - Short stay in the Rumble, but not because he can't work No Way Out, vs. Goldust - Solid match, well over 5 minutes Backlash, vs. Eddie Guerrero - Awesome match, well over 5 minutes RAW, vs. Eddie Guerrero - F'n amazing match, well over 5 minutes Judgment Day, vs. Eddie Guerrero - Another awesome match well over 5 minutes King of the Ring, vs. Brock Lesnar - Surprisingly good match, probably the second best match of the night, well over 5 minutes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Your Olympic Hero Report post Posted July 17, 2002 No Mercy, vs. ?? - Don't remember who he wrestled here King of the Ring, vs. Brock Lesnar - Surprisingly good match, probably the second best match of the night, well over 5 minutes Haha well No Mercy was his one main event push in a 3 way against Steve Austin and Kurt Angle. Another solid match over 5 minutes. Against Lesnar at KOTR is a different story. I don't think that match even lasted 5 minutes, and it was a squash. But I get your point - Van Dam CAN work over 5 minute matches very easily. But people on this board have to have SOMETHING to bitch about Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Which "people" say RVD can't work over five minutes?? "King of the Ring, vs. Brock Lesnar - Surprisingly good match, probably the second best match of the night, well over 5 minutes" erm...the match time was 5:42 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted July 17, 2002 {No Mercy, vs. ?? - Don't remember who he wrestled here} Wasn't that Angle Vs Austin Vs RVD? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Personally, my hate for RVD comes the character itself and his spot-spot-spot style which bores me to tears(which is why I hated the Jeff Hardy feud). I could care less if he could or couldn't work a 5 minute match. Oh, and at No Mercy last year, he was in the main event against Austin and Angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 17, 2002 redbaron was the one who accused RVD of not being able to work for longer than 5 minutes, I believe. And you guys were right, RVD vs. Brock was 5:42. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 {No Mercy, vs. ?? - Don't remember who he wrestled here} Wasn't that Angle Vs Austin Vs RVD? Yes... yes it was. Ended with a Kick-Wham-Stunner on RVD. And the only reason RVD was IN the match was to boost the PPV rating because he was so over at the time (and still is). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Ended with a Kick-Wham-Stunner on RVD. And the only reason RVD was IN the match was to boost the PPV rating because he was so over at the time (and still is). yeah, cause that austin guy couldn't draw a dime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Personally, my hate for RVD comes the character itself and his spot-spot-spot style which bores me to tears Well, his character... is well he's character. And, he's spot-spot-spot style is getting better, damnit! And sometimes it comes in use.. *points to the tag team main event on this past Raw* So ha, silly APO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Ended with a Kick-Wham-Stunner on RVD. And the only reason RVD was IN the match was to boost the PPV rating because he was so over at the time (and still is). yeah, cause that austin guy couldn't draw a dime. Well, let's see here... Austin was HEEL at the time. Angle wasn't as over as RVD. So yeah.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Well he was working matches longer than 5 minutes before WWE, and he has wrestled them longer than 5 minutes in WWE. So the statement isn't true. Also, he uses less mat work now then I have seen in some of his ECW matches, believe or not, but I think he has to adapt to what the WWE fans come to the arena to see, and that is spots. Just how they still antagonize Bubby Ray with the "we want a table" chant even though the match isn't a NO DQ/Table match.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Ended with a Kick-Wham-Stunner on RVD. And the only reason RVD was IN the match was to boost the PPV rating because he was so over at the time (and still is). yeah, cause that austin guy couldn't draw a dime. Oh Yeah. That was the match where Vince knocked the shit out of Austin with the chair. Austin still walks around with that scar on the back of his head. btw, I wouldn't go as far to say Austin couldn't draw a dime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I think he was being sarcastic when he said that the biggest draw in the history of the biz couldn't draw a dime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 17, 2002 yeah, cause that austin guy couldn't draw a dime. Heh. And, he's spot-spot-spot style is getting better, damnit! And sometimes it comes in use.. *points to the tag team main event on this past Raw* So ha, silly APO! ::: Points out to Flyboy that he did not see RAW this week due to DirecTV raping his satillite ::: So THERE, SILLY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 17, 2002 It's funny how the spot-spot-spot style of the X-Division in NWA-TNA is praised but the spot-spot-spot style of RVD is criticized. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Maybe RVD does use a lot of spots, but at least he HAS cool spots. Most of the WWE is kick, punch, rest, kick punch, while RVD might be spot, rest, spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I can't speak for anybody else, but my reasoning is because aside from Lynn, I've never really seen most the X-Division guys before aside from Styles and the singles matches for the title have been pretty damn great and it seems much more fluid than any Van Dam match I've ever seen. Probably not the best answer, but who gives a shit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 the thing about rvd is his matches were way better in ecw because he had all the time he needed in that ring. he had adapted to the wwe style quite nicely but watch his PPV and TV match from 1999 and 2000 in ecw and rarely one of them lasted less than 20 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 the thing about rvd is his matches were way better in ecw because he had all the time he needed in that ring. he had adapted to the wwe style quite nicely but watch his PPV and TV match from 1999 and 2000 in ecw and rarely one of them lasted less than 20 minutes. Even as the biggest RVD mark, he STALLED WAYYY too much in his ECW matches. It got annoying as hell... but he's cut that out. Although, when he bowed to the crowd at InVasion.. that was cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 17, 2002 the thing about rvd is his matches were way better in ecw because he had all the time he needed in that ring. he had adapted to the wwe style quite nicely but watch his PPV and TV match from 1999 and 2000 in ecw and rarely one of them lasted less than 20 minutes. Personally, I felt that quite a few of his matches from that time period(like the Sabu one) could have definitely been shorten so he wouldn't have had to stall all the goddamn time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 "I can't speak for anybody else, but my reasoning is because aside from Lynn, I've never really seen most the X-Division guys before aside from Styles and the singles matches for the title have been pretty damn great and it seems much more fluid than any Van Dam match I've ever seen." I agree with this assessment. The guys in the X division are going nonstop...they hit another incredible move before I can catch up with the last one. The WWE style would never allow that (which is why the cruisers can't get over) as it has to be formula. Heel takes control...face makes comeback...heel cuts it off...face makes comeback...heel cuts it off...face makes comeback...heel hits finisher...face kicks out...face hits finisher...someone runs in...heel gets cheap win or face wins and is then attacked by heel and or someone else...so as no one's heat is affected and the entire match was pointless. That about sums that up...plus they can't bust out stiff shots or cool moves in the WWE. RVD is over because he does different things than everyone else. IMO...anyone who DOES NOT DO A SPINEBUSTER should be a top guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheSmarkzone Report post Posted July 17, 2002 the thing about rvd is his matches were way better in ecw because he had all the time he needed in that ring IMO, his matches in the WWE have been 3x better than any of his matches in ECW. Yeah, he got 20 minutes in ECW, and he spent 10 minutes stalling and playing to the crowd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 If RVD ever turns heel...he will stall again. That's how he plays a heel. It's also WHY he can't play a heel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Yeah, what is up with that move anyway? Are they just paying tribute to Double A or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I don't know where it came from...but everyone does one. And most of them are really really bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Now that I think of it... The best Spinebuster this year was done by AA at WrestleMania! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 Yeah, what is up with that move anyway? Are they just paying tribute to Double A or something? HOSSES~! = Spinebusters, people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted July 17, 2002 So its obvious that RVD can wrestle more than 5 minutes, anyone who ever watched his ECW matches would find the arguement that he only does 5 minutes Laughable. Perhaps it was phrased wrong, maybe the person mean't that RVD blows himself up in 5 minutes. Meandering between Spots. Like hits his trademarks and just mill around, either selling or just milling. You can't really blame RVD though, because he too has been stripped of most of his Wrestling Arsenal from the Nazi like Moveset restrictions of the WWE. Majority of ECW's matches are filled of Springboards and Table work, similar to Sabu. Can't do much of that in a given match in WWE. SO RVD does the best that he can. Also considering who he faces. in ECW it seemed that Ego's was NOT a consideration in booking, as everyone faced everyone in matches. Main eventers face low carders, Midcarders faced everyone. Not like HHH who can't seem to face Hardcore holly, Justin Credible or anyone like that, but MUST face Main Eventers Or he'll fold his arms stick out his bottom lip and Says " I don't wanna Play WHAAAAA." Of course im Paraphrasing heh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted July 17, 2002 The worst has to be Rock's. Hell, Faarooq pretty does it the same way, but at least looks like it hurts. Rock's just looks like he's laying them down or somthing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cabbageboy Report post Posted July 17, 2002 I don't recall RVD stalling that much as a heel in ECW. His major stalling came when he was the biggest face in the company. I mean really, watch Hardcore Heaven 99 against Lynn. Christ, it was like 30m long but only 20m of it is actually wrestling. The first 10 it seemed like RVD just posed and played mind games with Jerry. The coolest RVD ECW era matches are ones where he doesn't stall much: vs. Bigelow, one vs. Lynn for the TV on TNN, etc. I can't explain what it is, but RVD will always be more over than the X division guys because he knows how to make a major spot count. He has a way of getting the crowd in on it, not just reeling off wild spot after spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites