Gay/Lesbian marriages

[Guest jtronx]

GenerationNever wrote:

"Marriage" itself isn't REAL. It's just a word and a peice of paper, it's finite and not tangible.

 

This may be the smartest thing I've ever seen you write.

 

Some Guy wrote:

 

Homosexuality is a deviant (I don;t mean that in an evil, religous way, just that it deviates from the norm) behavior, pratice by relatively few people when compared to the whole population, why should the government promote it?

 

So is left-handedness. Should teachers still discourage it, and force lefties to write with their right hands, like they used to do? Should the State not allow, say, Greek marriage because Greeks are "relatively few people when compared to the whole population?"

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I don't support gay marriage either, but what I find "disgusting" is SG's position. By his reasoning, since I don't like anchovies on pizza, it should be outlawed. But I like pepperoni, so Domino's can still offer that without having their corporate headquarters surrounded by SWAT teams. You don't share homosexual men's attraction to each other, SG, so they shouldn't be allowed to marry? Pardon me, but are you on fucking crack?

 

As for his submoronic equivocation of democracy and mob rule, how far do we really need to take it? C'mon, we shouldn't accede to the completely internal wishes of a minority simply because they are a minority? Simply because he personally finds their sexual practices "disgusting?" What the hell? By those standards the decision of the Third Reich to prosecute Jews for uncoerced sexual relations with Aryans was perfectly justified. You want to blather about your sexual preference, SG, fine. But don't try to present it as a respectable argument for any position. Because it isn't. It's blind, stupid, knee-jerk bigotry.

[Guest GenerationNever]

GenerationNever wrote:

"Marriage" itself isn't REAL. It's just a word and a peice of paper, it's finite and not tangible.

 

This may be the smartest thing I've ever seen you write.

 

 

 

Thanks. Anyways, who cares what "the Church" thinks? These are the guys who persecute Jews when Christianity ITSELF is a sect OF Judaism! That's why it's called Judeo-Christianity! Not that I believe in the Judeo-Christian mythos. Fact is, I would shed no tears if the Roman Catholic Church and Southern Baptists weren't in our world.

[Guest EricMM]

I don't think it gay marriage should be allowed. It's not a natural thing. I just find the thought of two men being together to be disgusting, and I don't the government should promote it. Since I am attracted to women I can understand lesbianism.

Homosexuality is a deviant (I don;t mean that in an evil, religous way, just that it deviates from the norm) behavior, pratice by relatively few people when compared to the whole population, why should the government promote it?

 

I think Vermont and Hawaii are the only states that allow it, but I'm not sure.

 

This country is a democracy, I say put it on the ballot during the next Pres. election and let the people decide whether it is acceptible in our society. It won't be, I guarentee it. There just aren't enough gays and supporters in this country.

It's not a natural thing.

I never understood this argument. Ok, two men can't produce a baby. Why is that so "wrong" when people go about their entire lives having sex, yet not having babies. Should we outlaw contraception? And to say that what men do it's natural, do you want to outlaw oral sex too? or handjobs? No... You have to think of what you're really saying.

I just find the thought of two men being together to be disgusting

Compared to your homophobic blathering, I think two men having sex is clean and wholesome. You're much more disgusting. YOU should be outlawed. OUTLAW SOME GUY!

Since I am attracted to women I can understand lesbianism.

Ugh. WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE??? Either it's two guys or two girls. It's the same general thing. You think it's okay because you like to jerk off to it?

This country is a democracy, I say put it on the ballot during the next Pres. election and let the people decide whether it is acceptible in our society.  It won't be, I guarentee it.  There just aren't enough gays and supporters in this country.

Some homophobe in our english class tried this argument once. He was soundly destroyed, because most people would be in favor of gay people doing what they damn well please. What the fuck business is it of yours what someone else does behind closed doors. You are obviously strait. Therefore you will obviously NEVER be affected by a homosexual man ever in your lifetime because if he took one look at your hate-filled mind he'd be disgusted. So don't worry no man will ever hit on you. So why in the world does it matter to you? Let it go.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Eric, homophobia is not just disliking homosexuals or homosexuality. Homophobia is FEAR, notice the word "phobia." I.E. just because a male or female finds homosexual tendencies unpleasant does not make the said person homophobic. It isn't an insult that can be flung to onto people who don't like homosexuals.

 

I.E. some don't find spiders appealing, doesn't mean they're arachnaphobic.

[Guest Nezbyte]

I couldnt care either way. But, the hating of people who dont disagree with you is a kin (akin? Bah, fuck it) to racism. Just because they arnt CONFORMING to something that is different you get mad. Calm the fuck down. Who cares if SG finds it disgusting (or whatever), it's his goddamn choice.

 

My cousin is a homosexual, and i am fine with that. I just dont want to see him and his "partner" (god, that's fucking retarded) get their freak on.

 

Personally, i am more accepting of lesbians because ... they dont have penis'.

 

Hell awaits us all, anyway. By Christian logic. We've all sinned. We've all lied. Many of us have stolent - wether from a store or from the cookie jar. No one is perfect. Do you what you want because you do not get a second chance. Live your life by what you feel, not by who accepts you.

 

The End.

[Guest chirs3]

Plus there's always the argument, "If homosexual marriages are legalized, is the government "promoting" homosexuality?" It was implied in Some Guy's post...

 

I just find the thought of two men being together to be disgusting, and I don't the government should promote it.

 

And in my opinion, that's really really... stupid. There are a billion and four things the government already allows - should we then assume that the government is promoting them?

 

By allowing homosexual marriages, the government wouldn't be promoting homosexuality - they'd be taking a perfectly neutral stance, saying "We're not gonna say if it's right or wrong, but we will allow them, if they choose, to marry, because they should have the same basic rights as everyone." How can someone be against that?

[Guest Ram]

If they want to, fine.

 

Personally, I find active homosexuality makes me feel highly uncomfortable, but whatev.

 

Better call them "unions" or something other than "marriage". I'd say a backlash would happen, but I don't think anyone would be against an order of fairness.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Active homosexuality makes you uncomfortable? You poor thing. Maybe you should stop looking into other people's windows. Or has there been a sudden rash of men sucking cocks in broad daylight on your street? Maybe you live in Times Square?

[Guest Phr33k]

Well, I have no problem with gays and lesbians being married. As far as I'm concerned, if two people are in love - no matter what they have between their legs - they should have that liberty. Also, to all the people who say that the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong, I've read the whole Bible, and I don't remember it ever stating that fact.

 

On another note, Quebec courts approved a gay couple for a marriage license, under a new law. Last week, they denied permission to another one, despite it being under the same law. I used to live in Montreal, and I'll bet I can guess which one was French and which one was English.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Uh, the Bible is pretty frickin' clear on that point. What were you reading, the Mormon Gospels or something? How'd you miss this?

 

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

- Leviticus 18:22

 

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

- Leviticus 20:13

[Guest J*ingus]

Of course, the Bible doesn't say anything about eating out at your favorite seafood place, so technically you're off the hook, Marney. (How's that one for the strict interpretationalists?)

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Not one of my favourite things anyway...

[Guest Some Guy]

I never said my postion was fully rational.

 

Eric, how is me saying that I find something disgusting homophobic? I find the thought of two men having sex to be repulsive, sorry if you can't handle that, but it is not homophobic or even anti-gay, I just think it's gross.

 

The difference between gays and lesbians is that I am personally attracted to women, so I can understand how someone else could be, I am not in the least bit attracted to men so I can't understand it.

 

Someone said that I would never be affected by homosexuality, that's not true. I had a gay relative die of AIDs, I've been hit on by gay guys a handful of times, once when I was 14 and the guy looked to be in his 30s. While being hit on by a man is uncomfortable and I didn't like it at all, my friend gave said, "well if a gay guy thinks your good lokking then take it as a compliment, because chances are so do straight girls." And before someone asks me if I ever hit on girls on the street, the anwser is very rarely and it is totally different considering how few homosexuals there are in proportion to the rest of society.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Hey, SG, I'll be going to Youth Pride next year in Boston with a few friends of mine...wanna hook up?

 

Now that my daily gay joke is out of the way...

 

From Marney

Active homosexuality makes you uncomfortable? You poor thing. Maybe you should stop looking into other people's windows. Or has there been a sudden rash of men sucking cocks in broad daylight on your street? Maybe you live in Times Square?

 

1. This made me laugh out loud, man.

2. Damn fucking straight. What a person does behind closed doors, as long as it's not harming anybody else directly, is there own business (hence why I'm for the legalization of almost every drug there is, albeit with the same restrictions tobacco and alcohol products have).

 

I'm a supporter of same-sex marriages, mainly because I don't care how other people live their lives. I have gay friends, lesbian friends, lots of bi friends (the current trend in sexual preference, it seems), and I don't really care what they do. If they want to get married to people they love, even if they're same-gender, I'm all for it. Hell, I'll help out with the ceremony.

 

And SG, the very fact that you can't understand homosexual relationships between two men, but can between two women, really does shine a negative light on you. Can you understand how straight/bi women can be attracted to men? It's the same way for gay/bi men to be attracted to other men.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Actually, the REAL reason why the Bible doesn't mention lesbianism is because the Old Testament is sexist.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Marney, you are on a roll in this thread.

 

For the most part I agree with Dr. Tom. Let's just forget marriage all together. BUT if two people, regardless of their gender, want to get married, who the hell are we or the government to stop them. Do what you want because as someone earlier said, you only get one chance.

[Guest Phr33k]

I said I didn't remember it, not that it wasn't there. Anyways, it also says that you should be put to death if you curse your parents, so I wouldn't read too much into that. We don't sacrifice newborns anymore.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Funny how the point of a post suddenly changes whenever the poster wants to cover his ass. First, we should ban gays from marrying because it's just like so disgusting, y'know? Then, well, like, it was never supposed to be a completely rational argument anyway. Second, that's not in the Bible, is it? I mean y'know I've read like all of it and I never saw it. Now: well, it's not like we follow those lines anyway... don't read too much into it, dude, just because it like says so and shit.

 

Sheesh, males. What, you think your dicks are going to drop off if you admit you were wrong?

[Guest Ram]

Active homosexuality makes you uncomfortable? You poor thing. Maybe you should stop looking into other people's windows. Or has there been a sudden rash of men sucking cocks in broad daylight on your street? Maybe you live in Times Square?

Oh fuck off. Do like you said and "don't read too much into it".

 

I meant the two guys making out at the table in the bar. Same if my parents were making out ANYWHERE, or if a couple I know was making out right next to everybody at a small get-together.

 

Next time, I'll elaborate.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

So someone held a gun to your head and made you watch?

[Guest Some Guy]

Marney this is one of the few issues where I am somewhat irational. I find the male on male sexual contact to be disgusting, sorry.

 

Corey, I can understand how a straight woman can be attracted to a man, it's in their genetic makeup, it's natural. I don't see how that casts a negative light on me. But if you think so to each their own.

 

What is "Youth Pride" anyway?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Don't have to apologise to me, SG. I agree with you.

[Guest Ram]

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to prove to you.

 

I don't have to see it happening to feel uncomfortable. I know my parents do the deed, but I only feel uncomfortable when its happening when I'm around. I don't have to be WATCHING IT WITH FUCKING OPEN EYES TO FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Maybe growing up and getting a thicker skin would help. Not to mention minding your own business.

 

Not that that's likely, but whatever.

[Guest Some Guy]

So Ram you're against all public displays of affection?

I tend to agree with you although I've been guilty of it in the past, like tonight for instance. All PDA whether it be straight or gay can make people uncomfortable and I try to respect others, but my girlfreind is very touchy feely and I keep it to a minimum.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

PDA is a major turn-on for me. Within limits, no gasping and groaning and flat-out necking, that just looks silly. But a kiss here and there, a caress, extended eye contact, holding hands... that kinda thing is great.

[Guest EricMM]

Of course some PDA's are rude, I mean, noone should be making out in (some) public places.

 

Holding hands does rule tho, but that's not the same as going to second base across the isle in a bus (which some couple was doing near me last year I was like, man, wait like FIIIVE minutes eh?) Some things are ok, but its also ok for two guys or two girls to be doing such things.

 

Regarding the bible, I've said it again and again, Leviticus is just stuuuuupid. A lot of the old testament is actually.

 

Some Guy I guess I was overly harsh. I mean we all have our gross-outs. I mean i hate spiders. If there was some spider guy who saw me squish every spider I saw, he'd be all "Spiders control the insect population, you are a arachnophobe and you are stupid and have no empathy and etc." and I'd be all "Dude, they have 8 legs and fangs, they're just gross no arguments!!" *squash squash*

 

That being said, I am very against people who are against homosexuality. In any capacity. My mom raised me that way. She worked at Whitman Walker Clinic, where she counsoled a lot of HIV positive people, some of whom were homosexual. She then started getting on me and my brother's case about saying things like "Thats so gay" etc. But I think she was right you know? We're all just people trying to have a decent life, what two other people do in the privacy of your own bedroom is not anyones business but their own. The Govt. shouldn't control how they get married, and people shouldn't treat them any different than they treat strait people IMO.

 

Thats my opinion. Sorry it's long winded.

 

And Marney it didn't fall off

[Guest Some Guy]

PDA is a major turn-on for me. Within limits, no gasping and groaning and flat-out necking, that just looks silly. But a kiss here and there, a caress, extended eye contact, holding hands... that kinda thing is great.

That's what I meant. I don;t mind a little kiss and holding hands, but making out or groping on the street or in front of people is just tasteless. My girl tries to go for heavy kisses in public and I usually stop her short. I don't like to make a spectacle out of myself (she does) and offend people.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

My girlfriend's not as bad as yours, SG, but almost. <g>