Gay/Lesbian marriages

[Guest Some Guy]

My girlfriend kisses girls at parties just to get noticed, not that there's anything wrong with that. She's not Bi though . This was before we started dating, but the pictures are hot. It's a self esteem thing I think. I have enough confidence in myself that I don't need to constantly show off who I am or who I'm with.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Mine usually does it to demonstrate to the world that I'm hers. Just possessiveness, really. If someone else starts flirting with me she always grabs me and plants a hard kiss on my mouth, then drags me away. It's charming in a strange kinda way.

[Guest EricMM]

My girlfriend kisses girls at parties just to get noticed, not that there's anything wrong with that. She's not Bi though  

 

Thats one thing that has always perplexed me. It's ok for girls to be close and to kiss and such things. They can pretend to kiss to get cameras flashing, and all that jazz, but guys (definitely including me) just don't feel that comfortable with other guys. I mean I dunno, its not something I precisely miss, but I know that guys seem to me to be more against/afraid of other gay men than women are of gay women.

 

Edit in bold :P

I don't know, but I know you wouldn't kiss other guys to get noticed at parties, even though you're not Bi, you know what I'm saying?

[Guest Some Guy]

No.

 

If you're implying that I would kiss a guy to get noticed you're wrong. I wouldn't kiss a guy unless I had absolutely no choice in the matter.

 

Eric guys are dusgusting, girls aren't. That's why seeing girls kiss is hot and guys do it is gross.

 

BTW I was kidding with the . I don;t care that she's not Bi, but a threesome, with another girl would own.

[Guest EricMM]

lol christ sorry that was a typo I'll fix it

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Guys just aren't as pretty as girls. And girls aren't conditioned to see homosexual behaviour as intrinsically threatening to their sexuality.

[Guest Some Guy]

Wouldn't homosexuality be intrinsically threatening to a heterosexual's sexuality? It seems so to me.

 

About guys not being as pretty as girls. That's very true. I look at myself and see just me, I don't see the guy who girls seem to like pretty well. I look at my male friends and just see them as people, not good looking or bad looking. However I can generally tell whether a guy would be considered ugly, I have a lot of trouble figuring out what guys would be good looking though. But when I look at my girlfriend I see her as beutiful and attractive. I also see her for how good a person she is, but that's obviously not a first impression.

 

Marney when you look at a guy who is generally considered good looking (like Brad Pitt or whoever) what do you see? And when you see a really good looking girl what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

 

I'm just curious how you think, I'm aware that not every lesbian is the same and all, but I'm curious if the you think along the lines of a heterosexual man like myself or not.

[Guest EricMM]

Ok so we are in consensus? (sp?)

 

Govt. controlling marriages: Bad

 

homosexual marriages: Ok as long as Some Guy doesn't have to watch

 

PDA's: Good, as long as it's cute.

 

I just wanted to try to keep on track. We could start a "what do you look for in a sig. other thread. If we could find more than one gal to help out "

 

The question is: Do women look for different things in women than men do? Thats a pretty interesting question.

 

But how do you answer when my last two crushes were as different as night and day. One was tall the other short, one was C/D one was A. One blonde one brunette, aiee. Such is life

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Wouldn't homosexuality be intrinsically threatening to a heterosexual's sexuality?

I guess what I meant was that a woman can have sex with a woman and still be absolutely certain that she's attractive not only to men but society at large. It doesn't necessarily make her question who she is as a person or make her feel weak in any way. Men can't have sex with men (especially if they're on the receiving, uh, end) and still have that confidence. It's a double standard that has existed since long before the time of Caesar - he was supposedly considered "effeminate" not for his homosexual proclivities but because of the position he preferred.

 

Marney when you look at a guy who is generally considered good looking (like Brad Pitt or whoever) what do you see?

I prefer Patrick Stewart, actually. Brad Pitt is one of those interchangeable guys. He's good-looking in a very bland sort of way. I prefer distinctiveness. Anyway, to answer the question, I can appreciate male beauty - and despite the fact that women as a gender are better-looking than men as a gender in absolute terms, some men are still better-looking than some women. I'd be lying if I said I don't see them sexually or get hot and bothered by a really cute guy. I do. I just don't act on those impulses because I prefer women. I don't like facial hair, I don't like the feel of shaven faces, I don't like male musculature and I don't like male mouths. I like soft lips, breasts, long slender legs, and... uh, well, anyway, you get the idea.

 

And when you see a really good looking girl what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

How I can get her to sleep with me, naturally.

[Guest Phr33k]

Funny how the point of a post suddenly changes whenever the poster wants to cover his ass. First, we should ban gays from marrying because it's just like so disgusting, y'know? Then, well, like, it was never supposed to be a completely rational argument anyway. Second, that's not in the Bible, is it? I mean y'know I've read like all of it and I never saw it. Now: well, it's not like we follow those lines anyway... don't read too much into it, dude, just because it like says so and shit.

 

Sheesh, males. What, you think your dicks are going to drop off if you admit you were wrong?

Yup! How'd you ever guess?

 

I just realized I haven't admitted I was wrong since I moved out to Calgary.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I was told you'd been dickless since you moved to Calgary...

[Guest EQ]

I think that any two people who love each other and who want to get married should. I really don't see how it's the government's place to tell anyone they can't.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

2 things...

 

I actually have this theory that homosexuality is nature's way of population control. It can be seen even in nature, such as seagulls, whose females (a nice percentage of them) will turn lesbian if the population grows too large to ensure that overpopulation does not occur. Could humanity be the same? I wouldn't doubt it, actually.

 

The other thing is directed solely on Some Guy. Youth Pride is an annual gathering in Boston (I believe near the Boston Common) organized by BAGLY (Boston Alliance of Gay and Lesbian Youths) to celebrate diversity in all forms. There's usually a gathering to celebrate, something like a parade, and then a "prom" of sorts.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

"Marriage" itself isn't REAL. It's just a word and a peice of paper, it's finite and not tangible. Besides, it's just a tool for the goverment now.

To you.

 

Thanks. Anyways, who cares what "the Church" thinks? These are the guys who persecute Jews when Christianity ITSELF is a sect OF Judaism! That's why it's called Judeo-Christianity! Not that I believe in the Judeo-Christian mythos. Fact is, I would shed no tears if the Roman Catholic Church and Southern Baptists weren't in our world.

Your arguments become less and less convincing with every biased, moronic reference to the Church. First of all, I am to the point where I'm just going to bypass your replies in every religion topic because they're so biased and hateful. How you can chastise someone else for disliking homosexual activity and then come out with comments like this, is beyond me. Second of all, get your facts straight before you start spewing this nonsense. There is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity. Christianity is not a sect of Judaism. "Judeo-Christian" is a term used to describe all Western religions and societies founded on them.

 

I never understood this argument. Ok, two men can't produce a baby. Why is that so "wrong" when people go about their entire lives having sex, yet not having babies. Should we outlaw contraception?

It might not be "wrong" in today's sense, but it isn't natural. You have to admit contraception isn't natural, the only natural method is the rhythm method. While it's not wrong in today's society to go about your entire life having sex with no babies, it still isn't natural. That's one of the the basic laws of nature, procreation to continue the existence of the species.

 

Hell awaits us all, anyway. By Christian logic. We've all sinned. We've all lied. Many of us have stolent - wether from a store or from the cookie jar. No one is perfect. Do you what you want because you do not get a second chance. Live your life by what you feel, not by who accepts you.

For crying out loud, more ignorant, moronic comments about Christianity. I wish you guys would get your facts straight before you start spewing this nonsense. There is nothing in "Christian logic" that says you do not get a second chance. Ever heard of forgiveness? That's a major part Christianity. It would be so much easier to have a discussion if people would be intelligent and have a basic understanding of concepts they criticize. At least DrTom knows about Catholicism and Christianity so he can sound educated when he discusses it.

 

Uh, the Bible is pretty frickin' clear on that point. What were you reading, the Mormon Gospels or something? How'd you miss this?

 

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

- Leviticus 18:22

 

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

- Leviticus 20:13

That's homosexual ACTIVITY, not homosexual orientation. The Church is pretty clear on that point as well. Approving of homosexual orientation just not activity.

 

Actually, the REAL reason why the Bible doesn't mention lesbianism is because the Old Testament is sexist.

More of the same from you, GN.

 

That being said, I am very against people who are against homosexuality. In any capacity.

So you can chastise people against homosexuality, telling them to be more open minded and accepting of other people's views while you refuse to understand where they're coming from?

 

It can be seen even in nature, such as seagulls, whose females (a nice percentage of them) will turn lesbian if the population grows too large to ensure that overpopulation does not occur.

And what are the signs that a seagull is a lesbian ?

[Guest GenerationNever]

Oh, goody, religion...

[Guest Retro Rob]

Thanks. Anyways, who cares what "the Church" thinks? These are the guys who persecute Jews when Christianity ITSELF is a sect OF Judaism! That's why it's called Judeo-Christianity! Not that I believe in the Judeo-Christian mythos. Fact is, I would shed no tears if the Roman Catholic Church and Southern Baptists weren't in our world.

 

How you can chastise someone else for disliking homosexual activity and then come out with comments like this, is beyond me.

Easily. I don't remember an angry band of homosexuals leading the Spanish Inquisition or the Massacre of Protestants (there was a name for that one). I also don't remember a bunch of homosexuals persecuting people who are different than they are.

 

If you do, please enlighten me.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Christianity DID start as a sect of Judaism. Check your history books.

[Guest Some Guy]

Wouldn't homosexuality be intrinsically threatening to a heterosexual's sexuality?

I guess what I meant was that a woman can have sex with a woman and still be absolutely certain that she's attractive not only to men but society at large. It doesn't necessarily make her question who she is as a person or make her feel weak in any way. Men can't have sex with men (especially if they're on the receiving, uh, end) and still have that confidence. It's a double standard that has existed since long before the time of Caesar - he was supposedly considered "effeminate" not for his homosexual proclivities but because of the position he preferred.

 

Marney when you look at a guy who is generally considered good looking (like Brad Pitt or whoever) what do you see?

I prefer Patrick Stewart, actually. Brad Pitt is one of those interchangeable guys. He's good-looking in a very bland sort of way. I prefer distinctiveness. Anyway, to answer the question, I can appreciate male beauty - and despite the fact that women as a gender are better-looking than men as a gender in absolute terms, some men are still better-looking than some women. I'd be lying if I said I don't see them sexually or get hot and bothered by a really cute guy. I do. I just don't act on those impulses because I prefer women. I don't like facial hair, I don't like the feel of shaven faces, I don't like male musculature and I don't like male mouths. I like soft lips, breasts, long slender legs, and... uh, well, anyway, you get the idea.

 

And when you see a really good looking girl what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

How I can get her to sleep with me, naturally.

Patrick Stewart is the Star Trek captain, right?

 

 

I agree with you especially on the last line.

I think the same is true for every straight guy at least, "I wonder if she'll fuck me?" or "I wonder how she is in bed?" etc... Just some of us don't go full bore after every hot chick we see, besides I get slapped or whacked in the gut for looking to obviously anyway.

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Christianity DID start as a sect of Judaism. Check your history books.

You're dead wrong.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Christianity DID start as a sect of Judaism.  Check your history books.

You're dead wrong.

Doesn't the Chatolic's Church's "old-testament" come from part of the Jew's Torah?

 

Spicy, Judaism was the first monotheistic religion. The other two, Islam and Christianity, all branched off of it. I have no idea what you're thinking.

[Guest EricMM]

About christianity, yes yes, Jesus was jewish, of course Jewish people started Christianity, and they had the same values as Jewish people before them because they were jewish. It's definitely related to Judism but they made signifigant changes, so I wouldn't actually say they're a sect of Judism. But I would say they were a creation. Like Islam came from christianity.

 

So you can chastise people against homosexuality, telling them to be more open minded and accepting of other people's views while you refuse to understand where they're coming from?

I understand what you're saying, like I kind of apologized to Some Guy. But the way I see it is, treating homosexual people differently is like treating minorities differently specifically because of their race. So, it's not really something I'd like to understand.

 

I think the same is true for every straight guy at least, "I wonder if she'll fuck me?" or "I wonder how she is in bed?" etc... Just some of us don't go full bore after every hot chick we see, besides I get slapped or whacked in the gut for looking to obviously anyway.

Seriously is it not rough looking at girls? You don't want to leer, but they're so pretty. I have never been slapped though.

 

I of course agree that I think girls have more pretty features than boys, but isn't it strange that in spite of this, girls seem to find more flaws about themselves than guys do. A lot of guys will look in the mirror and go "hey I'm not that bad, I'm pretty hot" but just about every girl I know is so self consious of her "flaws" and ignore the 97% of her that is smoking. Too much cosmo reading with it's airbrushed models perhaps?

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

About christianity, yes yes, Jesus was jewish, of course Jewish people started Christianity, and they had the same values as Jewish people before them because they were jewish. It's definitely related to Judism but they made signifigant changes, so I wouldn't actually say they're a sect of Judism. But I would say they were a creation. Like Islam came from christianity.

Exactly. Thank you, Eric.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

That's homosexual ACTIVITY, not homosexual orientation. The Church is pretty clear on that point as well. Approving of homosexual orientation just not activity.

That's the weirdest defence I've heard yet. So it's perfectly fine to want to fuck other men as long as you don't actually do it. Run God's logic by me again?

 

PS. Yes, SG, Patrick Stewart is Captain Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Of course, lustful thoughts are also a sin. It's just that the Catholic Church views it not as the person that's evil, but the act that is the sin. And in defense of Catholics, the ones that I've known don't go running around condemning gays. They tend to be a lot harder on themselves and their own percieved shortcomings than other people's. It seems to me to be the Bible Belt protestants that make a big deal out of gays being sinners.

[Guest Nezbyte]

You all so totally no sold my rant. Boo!

 

I dont see why people cant hold differing opions. Christ, people.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

I'd like to see the Church develop a program to separate good people from their evil thoughts and actions... no, wait, they already did. November 1st, 1478.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Oh, TAG!

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

That's homosexual ACTIVITY, not homosexual orientation. The Church is pretty clear on that point as well. Approving of homosexual orientation just not activity.

That's the weirdest defence I've heard yet. So it's perfectly fine to want to fuck other men as long as you don't actually do it. Run God's logic by me again?

It's the same for hetero's too. Heterosexual activity is discouraged outside of marriage. I can't believe you've never heard that before, that's the Church's most basic response.

 

It's just that the Catholic Church views it not as the person that's evil, but the act that is the sin. And in defense of Catholics, the ones that I've known don't go running around condemning gays. They tend to be a lot harder on themselves and their own percieved shortcomings than other people's. It seems to me to be the Bible Belt protestants that make a big deal out of gays being sinners.

Thank you.

 

I'd like to see the Church develop a program to separate good people from their evil thoughts and actions... no, wait, they already did. November 1st, 1478.

"That such intolerance was not peculiar to Catholicism, but was the natural accompaniment of deep religious conviction in those, also, who abandoned the Church, is evident from the measures taken by some of the Reformers against those who differed from them in matters of belief.

 

Moreover, the whole history of the Penal Laws against Catholics in England and Ireland, and the spirit of intolerance prevalent in many of the American colonies during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries may be cited in proof thereof. It would obviously be absurd to make the Protestant religion as such responsible for these practices. But having set up the principle of private judgment, which, logically applied, made heresy impossible, the early Reformers proceeded to treat dissidents as the medieval heretics had been treated. To suggest that this was inconsistent is trivial in view of the deeper insight it affords into the meaning of a tolerance which is often only theoretical and the source of that intolerance which men rightly show towards error, and which they naturally though not rightly, transfer to the erring."

 

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm

 

Oh, TAG!

Oh, fuck off.

[Guest GenerationNever]

Oh, TAG!

Oh, fuck off.

Nice defense...isn't profanity also discouraged?

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Hmm, maybe we could start a new Spicy McHaggis testament. I suppose the abbreviation would be SPIC, or perhaps HAG. Or maybe we could call it the McGospel. Might get a few more kids to read it...