RVD -v- Lesnar

[Guest Flyboy]

RVD has better chance of doing that, MrRant.

[Guest M Nyland]

RVD already has the fan base needed...management just won't give him that monster push that he needs for everyone to go "he's just as good as Taker, or HHH, or Rock, or Angle, or Jericho..."

 

he seems to be under their level and he will continue to be until he starts to do things that scream "LOOK AT ME...I'm a MAIN EVENTER!"

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Brock was ruined as soon as he was dubbed "The Next Big Thing." Don't tell the fans that he is the next big thing, let them find out for themselves. So, he can do a Shooting Star Press. That's good, but as soon as the WWE let him do it, it will get old & stale like all things in the WWE.

 

I say let RVD knock him out w/ the Van Terminator, so that Van Dam can continue an upward climb because the fans actually care about him.

 

As for Brock, well he can blame his first loss on Paul Heyman then turn on Heyman and go face. Then maybe the crowd will care.

[Guest Flyboy]

I think the casual fans (and us) are screaming to the WWE... "HEY! RVD'S A MAIN EVENTER!!" ...

 

They just close their ears because they don't want to hear it.

[Guest MrRant]

I think the casual fans (and us) are screaming to the WWE... "HEY! RVD'S A MAIN EVENTER!!" ...

 

They just close their ears because they don't want to hear it.

To be honest... no one wants to be proved wrong. It took awhile for Vince to wake up to Stone Cold as well.

[Guest M Nyland]

...and Rocky too

[Guest Cataclysm911]

It didn't take long for Angle though.

[Guest Human Fly]

I say let RVD knock him out w/ the Van Terminator, so that Van Dam can continue an upward climb because the fans actually care about him.

 

That's what I was going to say. That way Brock can win the match (by DQ), RVD can keep the IC (He doesn't really need it though), and when Brock wins the title at Summerslam he already has a feud set up with RVD.

 

(1,000th post)

[Guest Flyboy]

I think the casual fans (and us) are screaming to the WWE... "HEY!  RVD'S A MAIN EVENTER!!" ...

 

They just close their ears because they don't want to hear it.

To be honest... no one wants to be proved wrong. It took awhile for Vince to wake up to Stone Cold as well.

But, he did... and look what it got him.

 

I could see the same thing happening with Robbie.. if only Vince, JR, and the execs. wake the fuck up.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I say let RVD knock him out w/ the Van Terminator, so that Van Dam can continue an upward climb because the fans actually care about him.

 

That's what I was going to say. That way Brock can win the match (by DQ), RVD can keep the IC (He doesn't really need it though), and when Brock wins the title at Summerslam he already has a feud set up with RVD.

 

(1,000th post)

No, you got me all wrong. I want RVD to knock out Brock and win the match, not knock him out & lose by DQ.

[Guest LesnarLunatic]

I'd like to propose the following question to the RVD cheering squad on this board.

 

"What if Vince pushes RVD, and he flops terribly? In such a way that you can't reasonably blame your usual boogeymen, but in a way that he is pushed and the fans don't show an interest to him as a main eventer?"

 

When that happens, I imagine the sound of a balloon popping.

 

and I'm sure if that happens, you'll blame everybody but RVD.

 

It all reminds me of the Poochie ep of the Simpsons.

 

 

Man: How many of you kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real-life problems, like the ones you face every day?

Kids: [clamoring] Oh, yeah! I would! Great idea! Yeah, that's it!

Man: And who would like to see them do just the opposite -- getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers?

Kids: [clamoring] Me! Yeah! Oh, cool! Yeah, that's what I want!

Man: So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots?

Kids: [all agreeing, quieter this time] That's right. Oh yeah, good.

Milhouse: And also, you should win things by watching.

 

let's face it, under usual WWF PPV logic, RVD is going over. If the heel goes over on the last RAW, when was the last time he didn't lose on the PPV?

 

Alot of you wanna just burn down the house of cards being built for Brock. Job him, TKO him, take his title shot, ya don't give a shit about the prestige of his title shot, the prestige of King of the Ring that is in need of being upheld, just because you have a personal vendetta against him. It doesn't matter if what you want to see would kill his career. You just want it nownownow so RVD can be champ.

 

and you want an example of a man entering the WWF and becoming champ fast: Yokozuna. Became champ in 6 months. Brock will become champ in 5 and a half months.

 

still, Brock losing in a close competitive match on Sunday is how I would book it. The sort of match that can help RVD become a legit contender when Lesnar wins the WWF title.

 

anyways, with Rock's selling, and Lesnar's offense, Brock v. Rock can't be that bad.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I'd like to propose the following question to the RVD cheering squad on this board.

 

"What if Vince pushes RVD, and he flops terribly? In such a way that you can't reasonably blame your usual boogeymen, but in a way that he is pushed and the fans don't show an interest to him as a main eventer?"

 

When that happens, I imagine the sound of a balloon popping.

 

and I'm sure if that happens, you'll blame everybody but RVD.

 

It all reminds me of the Poochie ep of the Simpsons.

 

 

Man: How many of you kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real-life problems, like the ones you face every day?

Kids: [clamoring] Oh, yeah!  I would!  Great idea!  Yeah, that's it!

Man: And who would like to see them do just the opposite -- getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers?

Kids: [clamoring] Me!  Yeah!  Oh, cool!  Yeah, that's what I want!

Man: So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots?

Kids: [all agreeing, quieter this time] That's right.  Oh yeah, good.

Milhouse: And also, you should win things by watching.

 

let's face it, under usual WWF PPV logic, RVD is going over. If the heel goes over on the last RAW, when was the last time he didn't lose on the PPV?

 

Alot of you wanna just burn down the house of cards being built for Brock. Job him, TKO him, take his title shot, ya don't give a shit about the prestige of his title shot, the prestige of King of the Ring that is in need of being upheld, just because you have a personal vendetta against him. It doesn't matter if what you want to see would kill his career. You just want it nownownow so RVD can be champ.

 

and you want an example of a man entering the WWF and becoming champ fast: Yokozuna. Became champ in 6 months. Brock will become champ in 5 and a half months.

 

still, Brock losing in a close competitive match on Sunday is how I would book it. The sort of match that can help RVD become a legit contender when Lesnar wins the WWF title.

 

anyways, with Rock's selling, and Lesnar's offense, Brock v. Rock can't be that bad.

I'd rather watch RVD, somehow, get all of the fans to not think he is good, instead of watching Brock get pushed as another unbeatable monster.

 

BTW, in my world there wouldn't even be a KotR PPV.

 

Wrestlemania

4 on 4 or 5 on 5 Survivor Series

SummerSlam

Royal Rumble

 

That's it.

[Guest Army Eye]

...and Rocky too

Rocky? He got a big push IMMEDIATELY.

[Guest Down Below]

Not a main-event push though...

[Guest papacita]

Am I the only one who'd like to see a Wrestlemania X type situation involving Rob, Rock and Brock for the World Title? Here's a possible scenario:

 

Let's just say that Brock/RVD ends in an HBK/Bulldog type double pin finish. Brock is pissed after the match, and later on, comes down during the World Title Triple Threat match and attacks the Rock, bringing RVD down to the ring to save him, but he accidentally catches the Rock with a chair. Brock and RVD get into it again on the floor, Taker and Angle end up fighting on the outside as well, where Taker grabs RVD's chair and uses it to take out Angle, RVD and Brock. So Taker's left standing alone, and he wants to finish The Rock, so he brings him back to the ring, and is getting ready to give him that "chair to the throat" thing, when RVD suddenly comes in and hits him with a Vandaminator, allowing Rock to roll Taker up for the pin.

 

The Next night on Raw, Brock and Heyman come out talking about Brock's guaranteed title shot at SummerSlam, and saying that Brock will be the Champion, when RVD comes out and asks him how can he beat the Rock when he hasn't beaten him yet? Heyman says something like "Brock was screwed", RVD challenges Brock to a rematch on Raw, I-C Title Vs the SummerSlam Title shot, which Brock accepts. During that match, another ref bump, and Taker comes out and attacks RVD...hits him with the Last Ride or something like that, before the Rock comes out save him. While Rock and Taker are fighting, Brock hits the F5, goes for the pin, but while the ref is counting, another ref runs out from the back and calls for a DQ, saying RVD wins, and is now the #1 contender for the title. Brock is pissed, Taker is still pissed about losing the title thanks to RVD, so the both of them gang up on Rob. This brings the Rock into the ring with a steel chair. He takes out Lesnar, and is about to get Taker when RVD goes for a spin kick, Taker ends up ducking and Rob accidentally catches the Rock with a Van Daminator. Taker then Tombstones Rob and walks out leaving everybody laying.

 

So after all this dies down, RVD is the #1 contender, but Brock and Heyman complain about his contendership status changing on a DQ. Taker's pissed about being screwed out of the title by RVD, and Rock's pissed about getting KO'd by RVD not once, but twice...and just for fun, have RVD cut a promo about how Rock wouldn't even be the Undisputed Champ if not for him. So Bischoff or Vince finally decides to settle this mess by having Brock get his Title Shot against the Rock at SummerSlam, and having the Undertaker face RVD. The winner of Taker/RVD would go on to face the winner of Brock/Rock later in the night, so RVD can finally get his win over Taker that they teased back in May, Brock gets his title shot, and everybody's happy.

 

Ok, maybe this post should've been in fantasy booking, but oh well. That's my idea.

 

Edit: BTW: The Rock/Angle/Taker scenario is assuming that the match is No DQ.

[Guest claydude14]

ya know, RVD not main eventing SS could in turn lead to a good thing...

benoit-rvd

[Guest bob_barron]

A TKO finish wouldnt be that bad- it did wonders for Stone Cold. Just keep the match close throughout, make sure-

JR goes: RVD is one tough thun of a bitch BY GAWD what will it take to put him down mah gawd all mighty.

King: Brock has MAN PUPPIES!

 

Well you get the idea. RVD can do the job- he just has to keep strong. And a close 20-30 min encounter (they only have six matches) will make them both look good and may help Brock get some heat.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

About Lesnar..it's like I said in the other post.

 

Give the people what they want (RVD it seems right now), and they'll watch.

Give the people what YOU want (Lesnar) and they'll happily change the channel.

 

*shrugs* At least, that's how it seems to me. How many guys are they going to feed to Lesnar?

[Guest Flyboy]

*shrugs* At least, that's how it seems to me. How many guys are they going to feed to Lesnar?

As many as it takes to get him over I would guess. (if he DOES even get over)

 

He's more than liking going to eat RVD, then eat either UT or the Rock... so...

[Guest cabbageboy]

I am one of the few who will go out on a limb and say RVD will pin Brock at the PPV. First, RVD has had his ass kicked by Brock every week on Raw for the past month. Second, he jobbed to UT on Raw in that tag match. By the logic of any sane booking RVD finally gains revenge here.

 

Let's look at it. Austin jobbed to HHH and then mained WM against the Rock for the title a month later. Brock should job on Sunday (maybe RVD can hit the Van Terminator, Van Daminator, the sommersault into the crowd, and all that to put him down) and it won't matter a bit once he kills the Rock for the title at SS. After that you have a ready made RVD/Brock feud because RVD is the one guy who has beaten him.

 

I mean, it doesn't make a bit of sense to have Brock squash RVD and win the IC title. It would be meaningless. There would be no IC match at SS and RVD would also have his heat totally killed.

[Guest M Nyland]

I mean, it doesn't make a bit of sense to have Brock squash RVD and win the IC title.

Silly poster...trying to use Logic....WWE says that is BAD and you should go watch "THE GAME" on DVD...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I have given this some thought.

 

HHH is going to Raw.

 

Therefore...RVD will no longer be the top face (Well...he'll still be the most over...but we know who they will push)

 

So HHH scoops RVD's spot...and at the end of his match with Brock, RVD is either still the midcard champion...or even worse...just a random midcarder.

 

 

I have come to the following conclusion:

 

Given that the companies Raw plans will now revolve around HHH...I do not expect to see RVD get put over in any way, shape or form.

 

Brock not over? Push him harder...let's make him a double champion. People will have to care then.

 

But they won't.

 

RVD will not be made to look like anything other than someone who could not beat Brock.

 

Because Brock is suffering so badly that they feel the need to sacrifice someone to him.

 

And RVD is the most over person who will lay down for him on Sunday.

 

The Rock is the most over person who will lay down for him...period.

 

And we'll get that at SummerSlam.

 

Fuck the WWE.

 

Sign my petition.

[Guest Flyboy]

 

I guess your days of be optimistic is over, hm? I guess mine are too considering the way the WWE is going...

[Guest Brian]

If any logic dictates anything, it's that RVD deserves a win on a larger stage, for a bigger prize after all the teases and losses.

[Guest Flyboy]

Well, he's the IC Midcarder Champ, now...

 

The only title above that is... the Undisputed Title.

[Guest Brian]

And the undisputed title shot.

[Guest Flyboy]

Damn straight.

 

On a "bigger scale", were you thinking Summerslam or WMX9?

[Guest Brian]

SummerSlam. Damn if I hadn't said it a thousand times but it makes complete sense to have RVD lose at Vengeance because of the way they've given teases with the Van Terminator and the five star if Heyman does something in the match and RVD comes back on RAW, says how Heyman has always cost him the respect and glory he deserves, and says as much as the IC title meant to him he wants to hit Brock where it hurts even more; he wants to go to SummerSlam and challenge Undertaker for the title, the man who beat Hogan, who beat HHH, who beat Rock and Angle (the four biggest names right now). And he wants to pay Heyman back for all those years where he never gave RVD the main stage. Well, now RVD is here and he's going to seize the moment. RVD has to be visibly hurt, limping or what not. There has to be total underdog feeling, especially with Heyman at ringside. And RVD has to give van daminator with the chair on Heyman. He has to hit some sort of big move he's never debuted. And he has to end it with the five-star. Heck, put Rock in there somewhere so they can play off a seperate Rock/Brock feud post-match. Becuase that kind of rub on PPV (Rock/Brock), not on TV, doesn't need a title if they do it right.

[Guest Flyboy]

..... That is some incredible booking, my friend.

[Guest Brian]

They set it up. I didn't. Sure they probably didn't mean it because jobbing Brock out a month before his big title win does nothing and halts any momentum he had, but they have the pieces laid out for something really, really good.