Undertaker vs Lesnar dead already?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Word up.

 

So they're not done yet, eh? Hmmmmmm. I can see 'Taker challenging Lesnar next week on RAW for his SummerSlam spot and then putting Lesnar over, but I'd much rather see Undertaker beat the Rock in rematch, with Undertaker cutting a "You may be the champ but you never pinned me" type of promo on The Rock. So what is the motivation behind Rock vs Lesnar match? Oh heavens, Brock threw down the title! Well, that's gonna get Rocky all riled up! Christ, the entire fuckin world knows that SummerSlam SHOULD be Undertaker vs Lesnar. I know it, you know it, your grandmother knows it and my mailman knows it.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Christ, the entire fuckin world knows that SummerSlam SHOULD be Undertaker vs Lesnar. I know it, you know it, your grandmother knows it and my mailman knows it.

Oh, in the supreme match of suck and blow?

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Oh yeah, and The Rock vs Lesnar would be the second coming of Flair vs Steamboat, right?

 

The sheer psychology that Lesnar vs Undertaker posseses would demand that this match take place. Rock vs Lesnar has zero reason to take place, aside from the stipulation in place. Answer me this, will going over The Rock at SummerSlam "make" Brock Lesnar?

[Guest Nevermortal]

Nothing's going to make Brock Lesnar now.

 

He's the most heatless guy (in regards to his position) on the roster.

 

Meanwhile the guy with the biggest pops gets stuck with the Midcard belt. Yep, WWE really listens to the fans.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Beating the Undertaker clean in the middle of the ring would make Brock Lesnar. It would showcase Lesnar as the monster that Undertaker couldn't kill. Undertaker has beat Yokozuna, Vader, Kane, Disel and Sid.....but not Brock Lesnar. If Lesnar beats Undertaker it would be the falling of a pillar of the WWE and a changing of the guard.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Last time I checked we agreed it would make the most sense for RVD/Taker. So I don't know why magically it should be Taker/Brock now. Because Brock F5ed him once? For God's sake...

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yes Mick Foley is right! It should be RVD/Taker. That makes the absolute most sense. Hell Brock/Rock makes more sense thant UT/Brock.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

I don't mind Brock/Rock. Maybe Rock selling his moves will help bring him along. Rock seems to have some exciting matches for the most part. Rock/Undertaker doesn't do it for me. Undertaker/Brock I'd enjoy only if Undertaker made Brock look good and jobbed.

 

When I heard about the ladder match before Raw yesterday, I seriously was thinking Brock would cost him the title, RVD would challenge Brock for his title shot, win it, then RVD would beat Rock. I seriously thought it was going to happen.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

Nothing's going to make Brock Lesnar now.

 

He's the most heatless guy (in regards to his position) on the roster.

 

Meanwhile the guy with the biggest pops gets stuck with the Midcard belt. Yep, WWE really listens to the fans.

maybe Benoit will take the IC belt, and RVD will be elevated

[Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20]

Um......My-Mailman-doesn't-watch

Wrestling.

[Guest jester]

It should be RVD vs. Taker, but since they insist on pushing Brock, it should be Taker vs. Brock.

 

Brock beating someone like Taker, who has looked unstoppable for the last little while would do more for his credibility, IMHO.

 

jester

[Guest HartFan86]

They already have done a good job building up Rock/Brock. First time since I can remember the main event is build up 5 weeks in advance. I'm all about that.

 

I would rather have RVD vs. Benoit than RVD vs. Taker, BTW.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

If Brock HAS to be in the SummerSlam main event, Rock will draw the most money against him. Brock/Rock will draw more than Taker/Brock or anyone else besides Rock for that matter. All the WWE is looking at is numbers. Not on Brock's part obviously, but they are hell bent on pushing him to the top RIGHT NOW and The Rock has the best chance of making him look like a million bucks and getting a decent buyrate at the same time.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

"Yes Mick Foley is right! It should be RVD/Taker. That makes the absolute most sense. Hell Brock/Rock makes more sense thant UT/Brock. "

 

It's called an archetype dude. All great storylines have one. Name me on archetype that Brock vs Rock posseses. Name me on storyline template. The closest one it comes to is Irresistable Force vs Immovable Object, in which The Irresistable Force should go over, which means The Rock wins. What does this do for Lesnar? Dick all. However, Brock and Taker brings the "Changing of The Guard" template to the table, something not done since Austin vs Bret, which was one of the best, if not the best storyline in the companys history. It also rocks the "Rookie Monster" vs "I've killed all monsters" storyline. Undertaker has also seen all the "Next Big Things" come and go and he's stuck around because it's his yard. Fans have a deeper connection with Undertaker then The Rock, hell, almost anybody else on the roster. So, Brock being the one to take down a pillar of the WWE in Undertaker means much more the beating The Peoples Champion. The fans connection with The Rock is very thin, if you want anymore proof, check out WrestleMania 18.

[Guest SteveyP93]

I don't know about any of you, but when Brock walked right by the Rock, and later when they had the stare down at the end of the show, I felt excitement. I'm looking forward to the match, and with 5 weeks until SS, they have plenty of time to further build this rivalry. Brock/Taker would just be a big man match, and that's not what I want as my main event for SS.

[Guest Wild_Orchid]

I don't know about any of you, but when Brock walked right by the Rock, and later when they had the stare down at the end of the show, I felt excitement. I'm looking forward to the match, and with 5 weeks until SS, they have plenty of time to further build this rivalry. Brock/Taker would just be a big man match, and that's not what I want as my main event for SS.

I couldn't agree more. Brock ignoring the Rock as he passed him was a very simple gesture...but a simple gesture that was ten times more effective than any backstage or in ring skit, especially at this early stage of the fued. Sometimes the best gestures are the more subtle ones. I like the fact that they're having Brock play "mind games" with the Rock. I too am getting very excited about the build up of this fued leading into SS.

 

Thumbs up to whoever on the writing team came up with that idea.

[Guest Smeghead]

The fans connection with The Rock is very thin, if you want anymore proof, check out WrestleMania 18.

1) That was four months ago.

2) Hulkstalgia was running wild.

3) It was in Canada. Canadian fans are weird. (No offense, Canadian fans, but you are.)

4) After the match, it took Rock about three minutes to get the fans to start cheering him again. Same thing with Raw the following night.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

They COULD pull off Rock vs. Lesnar and get Lesnar over if they continue the ~MIND GAMES~. Have Brock bring the Rock his first moment of doubt. The once cool and confident great one is now looking down the barrel of a shotgun and is sweating. I know it would have been too quick to establish last night, but JR saying that the Rock is fearless and not phased by the mindgames and King saying 'Are you sure?' at the end of the show would have REALLY picked the feud up.

[Guest NazMistry]

I don't know why people are shouting for anything other than Brock/Rock.

Firstly there has been no advancement of the RVD/Taker story for almost a month. With the memory of most fans and the writers, this is all but forgotten.

Brock/Taker would draw absoloute shit.

It's that simple.

With Brock/Rock, the marks do not know who would win. Thats the entire point. The WWE books for marks. Fans love Rock and he is now acknowledged by most fans as the No.1 star. And with Brock appearing invincible there is intrigue to the result.

Anything other than this match isn't going to draw, and it is most likely to be the best match of the three options. Rock will sell, sell, sell for Brock, and thus make him look good.

[Guest cabbageboy]

Brock SHOULD beat the Taker at some point though, maybe not at SS but sometime. I say go ahead and let Brock win the title and then build, build, build for Brock vs. RVD at WM next year. That seems like a really cool match for WM if you ask me, provided they don't give up on Brock due to his lack of heat.....wait till AFTER WM, then give up on him due to his lack of heat!

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I think that Brock would get MORE heat off of a taker feud than a Rock feud. Fans my cheer louder for the Rock, but I don't think anyone can deny that they CARE more about taker. Sort of a quality/quantity thing goin, ya hear? I mean, Taker beat the shit out of the Hardyz, RVD, and made JR kiss Mcmahons ass AND HE IS STILL GETTING CHEERED. Much Like Austin was last year.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Ummm....here's an archetype for you.

Brock won the KOTR. Rock is champion. Winner of KOTR meets champion at SS. There's your damn archetype.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

It is a well known fact that the old guard/new guard angle is one of the most successful in wrestling -one that touches each and every one of us as human beings-, KOTR vs. Champ at Summerslam... Didn't work very well with Mabel and Diesel last time I checked..

[Guest NazMistry]

KOTR vs. Champ at Summerslam... Didn't work very well with Mabel and Diesel last time I checked..

Yeah but Mabel wishes he was Brock, and Diesal can only dream of being The Rock.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Still, as an archetype, it is not very strong. You can't work that the same way you could work old guard/new guard. There is no emotional investment in it.

[Guest NazMistry]

Still, as an archetype, it is not very strong. You can't work that the same way you could work old guard/new guard. There is no emotional investment in it.

This is true. But then again not since Hogan Vs. Rock has there been a real emotional investment Main Event.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Fans love the Rock.

 

Period.

 

However...it is fair to say that they love every other face he has wrestled more.

 

vs. Hogan (who was a heel) Hogan more over

 

vs. Jericho at no Mercy (who was a tweener) Jericho had the crowd split at first...then a maojority sided with Jericho

 

vs. Austin at Mania 18...Austin more over

 

vs. RVD during the Invasion angle...RVD got the cheers.

 

 

For some reason...Rock does not fair well in face vs. face matches.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Which is what, IMO, could really 'make' Brock Lesnar. If they had hyped up Taker as being the pillar of the Wwf that he is, the man who has always been there, the man who quite possibly might not be there any more if Brock ends up destroying him. The Wwf NEEDS more emotional matches, the fans need that connection, they need to feel exhausted after a match..hell, *I* need to!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

RVD vs. Taker would have been a very emotional Main Event that already had the built in backstory...and only needed minimal build up at this point.

 

But they...went another way...

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

RVD is too dynamic for Taker. Takers history is with Monsters (sure, the feuds sucked..but it's still his history) and that level wouldn't and couldn't be worked with RVD like it can be with Brock.