Canadian Alliance *important*

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Hell, if the world hates America so much, then speak the fuck up. We'll stop defending you asses. Wasnt Europe constantly waging war while we were isolated? Yeah, that's what i thought too.

The people have "spoken the fuck up". Why do you think there are protests all around every time that Bush goes out speaking in foreign countries? The only problem is that when such protests occur - regardless of what the reason is, they are not only crushed by the police in their own countries because of the influence of American commercialism in those country's governments, but the protesters also aren't given fair coverage in the news media. Although that should be no surprise to anyone, given the corrupt right-wing nature of the American media. It's funny how ultra-conservatives always make claims about "the liberal media", and yet... where's the liberal viewpoints? Where's the coverage of "liberal" protests? Where are the "liberal" guest speakers on news programs? Oh, that's right, they're not allowed to "speak the fuck up", because they can't afford to practice their alleged "free speech".

[Guest Angle-plex]

HA! Freedom of Speech. Yeah, we have that.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

The reason we think we're better than anyother country is because overall we are. They is no country with a bigger economy, there is no country with a stronger military, there is no country our size with better living conditons, there is no country our size with better employment, etc....

True, America does have a big economy and a strong military, but it's also one without a lot of opportunity, at least not anymore. America is all about the dollar - you can't get the money unless you have the job, you can't get the job unless you have the schooling, you can't get the schooling unless you have the money. Oh, wait, am I missing something in the loop? Yes, yes I am! In America, if you don't have the money to start out with, you'll never come out on top. There haven't been any "rags to riches" stories ever since the turn of the century for a reason, that being that the 1% in America who own 90% of the wealth are too greedy to think of anyone else other than themselves.

 

As for the living conditions, I wouldn't even be so quick to call that true. Perhaps if you have the money (notice a trend here?) then you can afford the sprawling, spacious estates and luxury foods and top of the line technology, but what does "better living conditions" even mean? Try telling the family of six who has to share a two-bedroom apartment how much better their living conditions are. If by "better living conditions" you mean for the upper classes, the class system is the same throughout all first-world countries. My middle-class 3-bedroom house that I rent in Pacifica, CA, is the same as that of a rented middle-class 3-bedroom house in England, Japan, Germany, and yes, Canada

 

Now, if I may speak freely, I think the major problem with the idea of American superiority, which was shown in this silly "America vs. Canada" conflict, is that it's not only real, but it takes priority over everything else. From what I can tell about this situation, a group of Canadian posters, probably in jest and following the lead of WWE's "Team Canada" team, start showing the banners. Suddenly, they become noticed, because my goodness, they're not American! But still, it's cool, because then we realize the best opportunities to make a dumb Test/beaver/eh? joke. Then, to further the joke and push the envelope a bit like the real "Team Canada", Bif puts an upside down American flag as his avatar. Suddenly, American jingoism and superiority tags over... he can't do that, he's from an inferior country! And that, ladies and gentlemen, starts a flame war. Am I the only one who sees something wrong with that? Why can't it ever just be all in fun? I have no problem with American pride, but it's been ingrained in the skill that America is so superior that we have to shove it in every other country's face at any other opportunity. It blinds some of us, to the point where we can't even play along with a simple joke. Sure, the flag's upside down, but it's A PIECE OF FABRIC, for Christ's sake! It's not even a serious political statement... so the American flag is upside down, what does that even mean? Does it mean America is morally bankrupt, and that the original values it was based on have been ignored? Because if that's what it's supposed to mean, then even as a proud American I agree 100%! And if that's not what it's supposed to mean, then who the hell cares? Really, do you? I don't, I'm in on the joke, I think it's funny. I guess I haven't been brainwashed well enough.

[Guest Some Guy]

True, America does have a big economy and a strong military, but it's also one without a lot of opportunity, at least not anymore. America is all about the dollar - you can't get the money unless you have the job, you can't get the job unless you have the schooling, you can't get the schooling unless you have the money. Oh, wait, am I missing something in the loop? Yes, yes I am! In America, if you don't have the money to start out with, you'll never come out on top. There haven't been any "rags to riches" stories ever since the turn of the century for a reason, that being that the 1% in America who own 90% of the wealth are too greedy to think of anyone else other than themselves.

 

First off that's a false hood. It may be harder to get the best job if you're poor but it is not impossible. It's about working your ass off and being smart. My father did it, my Italion imigrant boss did, my Russian imigrant girlfriend's parents are doing it, my Brazialian imigrant co-worker is doing it. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes time. Sometimes generations for families. I am not responible to pay for someone without money, just the same way no one paid for my dad. He had to bust his fucking as to get every God damn scholarship he could to provide my sister and I a better life than he had. And you mock that and claim there is no upward mobility in this country. Fuck you and look around, the American Dream is still alive and it is still possible to get somewhere in this country.

 

 

As for the living conditions, I wouldn't even be so quick to call that true. Perhaps if you have the money (notice a trend here?) then you can afford the sprawling, spacious estates and luxury foods and top of the line technology, but what does "better living conditions" even mean? Try telling the family of six who has to share a two-bedroom apartment how much better their living conditions are. If by "better living conditions" you mean for the upper classes, the class system is the same throughout all first-world countries. My middle-class 3-bedroom house that I rent in Pacifica, CA, is the same as that of a rented middle-class 3-bedroom house in England, Japan, Germany, and yes, Canada

 

Sorry last time I checked not everyone needs a "sprawling, spacious estate" to have a good standard of living. My family of three lives well, better than most actually, but we don;t ahev the world at our fingertips, we have to go out and get it. Maybe the family of 6 that you speak of should give it a shot or maybe, just maybe there should not be six of them if they can't afford to provide for all of them. Oh yeha but responsibilty is not the politically correct thing to preach now a days.

 

Biff putting an upsid down flag in his sig is insulting, it is a slpa in the face of my country. Not because he's not American or because he's Canaidian. It was a slap in the face and I and apparently AS didn't apreciate it. I never posted anything anti-Canaidian prior to you guys starting this shit. The fact that you consider the AMerican Flag to be just a "piece of fabric" is your right, but I don't. I consider it to be a symbol of the country that provided my family with the chance to succeed and prosper, without hurting anyone or halting anyone else's forward progress. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your anti-American mindset but that's how I feel and that's how millions upon millions of other Americans feel.

 

It's not about brainwashing, becasue if that's the case then you have been successfully brainwashed by someone into thinking that America is no longer a great country. I don't hate Canada, as a matter of fact I'm going there in a few weeks. I hate people who attack my country without any knoweldge of what they're talking about.

[Guest crandamaniac]

Biff putting an upsid down flag in his sig is insulting, it is a slpa in the face of my country. Not because he's not American or because he's Canaidian. It was a slap in the face and I and apparently AS didn't apreciate it. I never posted anything anti-Canaidian prior to you guys starting this shit. The fact that you consider the AMerican Flag to be just a "piece of fabric" is your right, but I don't. I consider it to be a symbol of the country that provided my family with the chance to succeed and prosper, without hurting anyone or halting anyone else's forward progress. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your anti-American mindset but that's how I feel and that's how millions upon millions of other Americans feel.

 

I just want to pipe in with my $.02 (american that is). Bif's avatar was The Upside down flag. If you look at it one way, then you can say it's a piece of fabric turned upside down. But another way is to look at it through it's true meaning. The Upside down flag means trouble, and is seen as a sign of disrespect. Me personally, as an american, do not see the point in using a cheap method like that to disrespect or poke fun of people. I personally have not disrespected anybody's flag, or as Some Guy said there symbol of there nation, and with the exception of a couple of people most everybody else hasn't either. I have no problem with anybody espousing the virtues of their country, as I am proud of my country as well. What I do have a problem with is when you feel it is best to enrage and disrespect others to make a point.

[Guest Ram]

the fact that the majority of Americans grow up and live their lives thinking that they're better just because they're American.

WTF? FACT? ... FACT?!

 

So, if you can make a judgement based on a country by a few (unless you can tell me you've talked to and read the mind of every single American walking on Earth), then Russians are all terrorists, Germans all hate Jews and like to kill people, the English are snobs, the British have bad teeth, the Mexicans all smell and steal, all black people are criminals, all white people hate black people, all Canadians are cowards and stupid, all Africans are poor, all the Hawaiians are tourist moochers, all the Japanese are small and power seekers, all the Chinese are bootlegging crime lords.

 

The list can go on and on. You cannot say the majority, you cannot call it fact, and if you call it your opinion, you'd have a mind to the equivalent of a guy who thinks commercials carry subliminal messages for the underground government. You have nothing to base it on other than a few people you may have heard of or met, but if you want to base it on that, then you are ONE IGNORANT FUCK.

 

You can't state that as true nor as false, hell it should be a question. People are not all the same. And when somebody believes that one is all, then you have no right to talk.

[Guest Ironman]

Canada has been the BUTT of American jokes for years

Why else do we keep ya around?

[Guest Syxx]

I think the Americans have proved our point, they are better than anyone else, and everyone (even that poor black kid from the ghetto who cant play sports or rap) has a chance at making millions, there is no vicious cycle of poverty in America, and Canada is an inferior country and shouldnt be allowed to have a problem with Americans, because our army doesnt kill people, and are not as intimidating, I now understand.

[Guest redbaron51]

I just want to pipe in with my $.02 (american that is). Bif's avatar was The Upside down flag. If you look at it one way, then you can say it's a piece of fabric turned upside down. But another way is to look at it through it's true meaning. The Upside down flag means trouble, and is seen as a sign of disrespect. Me personally, as an american, do not see the point in using a cheap method like that to disrespect or poke fun of people. I personally have not disrespected anybody's flag, or as Some Guy said there symbol of there nation, and with the exception of a couple of people most everybody else hasn't either. I have no problem with anybody espousing the virtues of their country, as I am proud of my country as well. What I do have a problem with is when you feel it is best to enrage and disrespect others to make a point.

See the WWE doing that was all script, and just for storyline purposes, and yes was insulting, but really Storm and Co was just doing there job.

 

But what draws the line is in real life, during the Gold Medal game for the woman's hockey game against Canada, when our flag was on the floor, and you americans were walking over it. That is just disrespectful in every way possible, and even with the biased reffing, Canada still showed who kick who's ass.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

QUOTE  

True, America does have a big economy and a strong military, but it's also one without a lot of opportunity, at least not anymore. America is all about the dollar - you can't get the money unless you have the job, you can't get the job unless you have the schooling, you can't get the schooling unless you have the money. Oh, wait, am I missing something in the loop? Yes, yes I am! In America, if you don't have the money to start out with, you'll never come out on top. There haven't been any "rags to riches" stories ever since the turn of the century for a reason, that being that the 1% in America who own 90% of the wealth are too greedy to think of anyone else other than themselves.

 

First off that's a false hood. It may be harder to get the best job if you're poor but it is not impossible. It's about working your ass off and being smart. My father did it, my Italion imigrant boss did, my Russian imigrant girlfriend's parents are doing it, my Brazialian imigrant co-worker is doing it. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes time. Sometimes generations for families. I am not responible to pay for someone without money, just the same way no one paid for my dad. He had to bust his fucking as to get every God damn scholarship he could to provide my sister and I a better life than he had. And you mock that and claim there is no upward mobility in this country. Fuck you and look around, the American Dream is still alive and it is still possible to get somewhere in this country.

 

damn I actually have to agree with Some Guy on something...

my father died as a firefighter when i was younger, and what did my mom do, she worked 2 fuckin jobs to put me and my brother through school, so we would be able to go to big colleges, and we would have more windows of oppurtunity to us, for every homeless person and deadbeat you hear on the news, there are 3 people who are working their fuckin asses off to give better lives to other peopel

[Guest Some Guy]

I think the Americans have proved our point, they are better than anyone else, and everyone (even that poor black kid from the ghetto who cant play sports or rap) has a chance at making millions, there is no vicious cycle of poverty in America, and Canada is an inferior country and shouldnt be allowed to have a problem with Americans, because our army doesnt kill people, and are not as intimidating, I now understand.

The cycle of poverty as you put it more of a self fullfiling prophecy than the fault of the system. Kids convince themselves because of their parent's failures that they too ca not suceed. They see uneducated parents who don't work and collect welfare checks and don't see any reason to work. WHy work when you can leach off those who do for free? Why go to school when Mom doesn't work and Dad left me? It's not all the system's fault the peolpe have to take at least some of the responsibilty for their conditions. Bad parents who set an even worse example (not working, drugs, drinking, abuse, etc..) for their children are to blame for these problems as well.

[Guest Big Poppa Popick]

You know

 

okay, I'm an American, but seriously. aside from SomeGuy and some Evenflow comments, the rest of you are spouting mindless dribble that even elected officials wouldnt be caught dead saying, and we know that they're very very dumb individuals.

 

So listen up. If you're going to make an assertion, document it with actual facts...None of this blanket statements that America is racist and Canada is not, or America rules and Canada sucks.

 

My god, where are *not SomeGuy and EFDDT* the intelligent people who know HOW TO MAKE A FRICKING COGENT ARGUMENT

 

It's simple Aristotlian logic here people, A leads to B which gives us conclusion C. C'mon

 

And I get a laugh out of the guy who says he's happy to be moving to Canada but won't revoke his citizenship. Yeah, pay really high taxes "Well, we do that here too..sighs"

 

Idealistic youth regurgitating patriotic baloney...Either legitmately discuss this without bringing up inane piecemeal exception-based arguments or have a mod kill this damn thread.

 

It's not even worth my time anymore.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

ok simply put about the American Dream...it's not dead, but the media etc, only deals with the bad aspects of society. The single mother who raises her children and works a job to put them through school, so they can have a good education and enjoy the better aspects of life is living the American dream. The American dream is about working harder to make your life better, but it is not being reported, take a look around, and then you will see that people are hard working with blue-collar ethics. Not everyone is a crook, thief or a deadbeat, I know this may have been discussed a while back, but any sort of denial of the American Dream is just plain wrong.

 

As for this whole Canada thing, Dont hate countries, hate the assholes in each respective country, whether it's America, Canada, or anywhere

[Guest Some Guy]

Well said, Bear.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

[Guest evenflowDDT]

the fact that the majority of Americans grow up and live their lives thinking that they're better just because they're American.

WTF? FACT? ... FACT?!

 

So, if you can make a judgement based on a country by a few (unless you can tell me you've talked to and read the mind of every single American walking on Earth), then Russians are all terrorists, Germans all hate Jews and like to kill people, the English are snobs, the British have bad teeth, the Mexicans all smell and steal, all black people are criminals, all white people hate black people, all Canadians are cowards and stupid, all Africans are poor, all the Hawaiians are tourist moochers, all the Japanese are small and power seekers, all the Chinese are bootlegging crime lords.

 

The list can go on and on. You cannot say the majority, you cannot call it fact, and if you call it your opinion, you'd have a mind to the equivalent of a guy who thinks commercials carry subliminal messages for the underground government. You have nothing to base it on other than a few people you may have heard of or met, but if you want to base it on that, then you are ONE IGNORANT FUCK.

 

You can't state that as true nor as false, hell it should be a question. People are not all the same. And when somebody believes that one is all, then you have no right to talk.

You're right, I apologize, and will change my statement...

 

"the fact that the majority of Americans I have met grow up and live their lives thinking that they're better than other countries just because they're American."

 

I'm not "an ignorant fuck". I made an error in judging, something which I joined the Canadian Alliance to try and stop on this board. I tip my hat to you, sir, for helping me improve my argument

 

PS: Russians aren't all terrorists, they're all drunks. Everyone knows that

PPS: And if it weren't for Austin Powers, an American movie, the "English people with bad teeth" stereotype wouldn't exist. I'd never heard that one before, in all likelihood that was purely an invention of the film...

[Guest Shaved Bear]

the fact that the majority of Americans grow up and live their lives thinking that they're better just because they're American.

WTF? FACT? ... FACT?!

 

So, if you can make a judgement based on a country by a few (unless you can tell me you've talked to and read the mind of every single American walking on Earth), then Russians are all terrorists, Germans all hate Jews and like to kill people, the English are snobs, the British have bad teeth, the Mexicans all smell and steal, all black people are criminals, all white people hate black people, all Canadians are cowards and stupid, all Africans are poor, all the Hawaiians are tourist moochers, all the Japanese are small and power seekers, all the Chinese are bootlegging crime lords.

 

The list can go on and on. You cannot say the majority, you cannot call it fact, and if you call it your opinion, you'd have a mind to the equivalent of a guy who thinks commercials carry subliminal messages for the underground government. You have nothing to base it on other than a few people you may have heard of or met, but if you want to base it on that, then you are ONE IGNORANT FUCK.

 

You can't state that as true nor as false, hell it should be a question. People are not all the same. And when somebody believes that one is all, then you have no right to talk.

You're right, I apologize, and will change my statement...

 

"the fact that the majority of Americans I have met grow up and live their lives thinking that they're better than other countries just because they're American."

 

I'm not "an ignorant fuck". I made an error in judging, something which I joined the Canadian Alliance to try and stop on this board. I tip my hat to you, sir, for helping me improve my argument

 

PS: Russians aren't all terrorists, they're all drunks. Everyone knows that

PPS: And if it weren't for Austin Powers, an American movie, the "English people with bad teeth" stereotype wouldn't exist. I'd never heard that one before, in all likelihood that was purely an invention of the film...

in the simpsons, on an earlier episode...the dentist has a "Big book of British smiles"

[Guest evenflowDDT]

True, America does have a big economy and a strong military, but it's also one without a lot of opportunity, at least not anymore. America is all about the dollar - you can't get the money unless you have the job, you can't get the job unless you have the schooling, you can't get the schooling unless you have the money. Oh, wait, am I missing something in the loop? Yes, yes I am! In America, if you don't have the money to start out with, you'll never come out on top. There haven't been any "rags to riches" stories ever since the turn of the century for a reason, that being that the 1% in America who own 90% of the wealth are too greedy to think of anyone else other than themselves.

 

First off that's a false hood. It may be harder to get the best job if you're poor but it is not impossible. It's about working your ass off and being smart. My father did it, my Italion imigrant boss did, my Russian imigrant girlfriend's parents are doing it, my Brazialian imigrant co-worker is doing it. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes time. Sometimes generations for families. I am not responible to pay for someone without money, just the same way no one paid for my dad. He had to bust his fucking as to get every God damn scholarship he could to provide my sister and I a better life than he had. And you mock that and claim there is no upward mobility in this country. Fuck you and look around, the American Dream is still alive and it is still possible to get somewhere in this country.

I dunno if it's any different on the East Coast or something, but the American Dream is dead. My father has worked hard all his life, and continues to work hard, working more over-time now than ever, and the only thing he's gotten is spit on, by greedy debtors and insurance companies that have ensured that he has no credit rating and that we'll be in debt forever simply because of the medicine that everyone in my family (except me, thankfully) requires because of chronic medical conditions.

 

I've worked hard for my entire life as well, except I've never been given any real opportunities because my family's not rich enough to have "connections" or poor enough to get any aid (I've applied for many jobs and several different types of scholarships and financial aid and been turned down every time, so this is "fact"). So it's likely I'll have to work hard for the rest of my life like my father for nothing as well... hopefully that will change after college, but some how I doubt it, since I want to follow my goals and be a film major, but that's not, ya know, financially viable...

 

What do my father and I have in common? We both took a chance going for our dreams instead of "the norm". He moved to California because he didn't want to "play it safe" with the family business in Minnesota, and I'm a film student instead of a business major or an engineer. If you go for "the norm", then yea, maybe you can accomplish something. But try to be unique, try to go for your real dreams? You'll get screwed out of everything you own as soon as you slip in the slightest... so, America is the land of opportunity. As long as that opportunity is conformity.

 

DISCLAIMER: This argument is based solely on mine and my family's own personal experiences. It may not be valid for you, but it's why I believe The American Dream is dead. I also admit to it being a selfish argument, but I believe the reason I've been insulted and denied opportunities throughout my entire life because, as I've been told, I'm too nice, not selfish or arrogant enough to be the heartless type of person that is the only type I have personally ever seen "succeed in America".

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

The English tend to have bad teeth, not so much from lack of brushing (though it maybe) but because their water doesn't (it might now) have floride/florite (whichever) added into it. It strengthens teeth and makes them less easy to get cavities.

 

Why do I know that....

[Guest MrRant]

True, America does have a big economy and a strong military, but it's also one without a lot of opportunity, at least not anymore. America is all about the dollar - you can't get the money unless you have the job, you can't get the job unless you have the schooling, you can't get the schooling unless you have the money. Oh, wait, am I missing something in the loop? Yes, yes I am! In America, if you don't have the money to start out with, you'll never come out on top. There haven't been any "rags to riches" stories ever since the turn of the century for a reason, that being that the 1% in America who own 90% of the wealth are too greedy to think of anyone else other than themselves.

 

First off that's a false hood. It may be harder to get the best job if you're poor but it is not impossible. It's about working your ass off and being smart. My father did it, my Italion imigrant boss did, my Russian imigrant girlfriend's parents are doing it, my Brazialian imigrant co-worker is doing it. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes time. Sometimes generations for families. I am not responible to pay for someone without money, just the same way no one paid for my dad. He had to bust his fucking as to get every God damn scholarship he could to provide my sister and I a better life than he had. And you mock that and claim there is no upward mobility in this country. Fuck you and look around, the American Dream is still alive and it is still possible to get somewhere in this country.

I dunno if it's any different on the East Coast or something, but the American Dream is dead. My father has worked hard all his life, and continues to work hard, working more over-time now than ever, and the only thing he's gotten is spit on, by greedy debtors and insurance companies that have ensured that he has no credit rating and that we'll be in debt forever simply because of the medicine that everyone in my family (except me, thankfully) requires because of chronic medical conditions.

 

I've worked hard for my entire life as well, except I've never been given any real opportunities because my family's not rich enough to have "connections" or poor enough to get any aid (I've applied for many jobs and several different types of scholarships and financial aid and been turned down every time, so this is "fact"). So it's likely I'll have to work hard for the rest of my life like my father for nothing as well... hopefully that will change after college, but some how I doubt it, since I want to follow my goals and be a film major, but that's not, ya know, financially viable...

 

What do my father and I have in common? We both took a chance going for our dreams instead of "the norm". He moved to California because he didn't want to "play it safe" with the family business in Minnesota, and I'm a film student instead of a business major or an engineer. If you go for "the norm", then yea, maybe you can accomplish something. But try to be unique, try to go for your real dreams? You'll get screwed out of everything you own as soon as you slip in the slightest... so, America is the land of opportunity. As long as that opportunity is conformity.

 

DISCLAIMER: This argument is based solely on mine and my family's own personal experiences. It may not be valid for you, but it's why I believe The American Dream is dead. I also admit to it being a selfish argument, but I believe the reason I've been insulted and denied opportunities throughout my entire life because, as I've been told, I'm too nice, not selfish or arrogant enough to be the heartless type of person that is the only type I have personally ever seen "succeed in America".

The American Dream never proclaimed success... just the the chance of it. By deviating from the course you can stand to have a greater chance at success or failure. Either path is honorable though.

 

 

Man I'm deep.

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

Could you guys stop fucking quoting pages worth of posts? We know what you're talking about...hell, just cut out other quotes inside the one you're referring to.

 

That's fucking annoying.

[Guest Some Guy]

I dunno if it's any different on the East Coast or something, but the American Dream is dead. My father has worked hard all his life, and continues to work hard, working more over-time now than ever, and the only thing he's gotten is spit on, by greedy debtors and insurance companies that have ensured that he has no credit rating and that we'll be in debt forever simply because of the medicine that everyone in my family (except me, thankfully) requires because of chronic medical conditions.

 

I've worked hard for my entire life as well, except I've never been given any real opportunities because my family's not rich enough to have "connections" or poor enough to get any aid (I've applied for many jobs and several different types of scholarships and financial aid and been turned down every time, so this is "fact"). So it's likely I'll have to work hard for the rest of my life like my father for nothing as well... hopefully that will change after college, but some how I doubt it, since I want to follow my goals and be a film major, but that's not, ya know, financially viable...

 

What do my father and I have in common? We both took a chance going for our dreams instead of "the norm". He moved to California because he didn't want to "play it safe" with the family business in Minnesota, and I'm a film student instead of a business major or an engineer. If you go for "the norm", then yea, maybe you can accomplish something. But try to be unique, try to go for your real dreams? You'll get screwed out of everything you own as soon as you slip in the slightest... so, America is the land of opportunity. As long as that opportunity is conformity.

 

DISCLAIMER: This argument is based solely on mine and my family's own personal experiences. It may not be valid for you, but it's why I believe The American Dream is dead. I also admit to it being a selfish argument, but I believe the reason I've been insulted and denied opportunities throughout my entire life because, as I've been told, I'm too nice, not selfish or arrogant enough to be the heartless type of person that is the only type I have personally ever seen "succeed in America".

You and your father have made choices that will/have possibly affect your ability to make money. Becoming a Director is a 1 in a million shot. I'd suggest you get a real job first then try film school at night when you can afford it. After you've set our self up finacially, then you could responibly chase pipe dreams.

 

You feel teh American Dream is dead, yet you give me one example and it's more your fault than anything else. Take a look in the mirror and look at who is to blame for your life. Your father chose to leave a family business which would have ensured a better life for you. You chose to go to film school and not business school. You make your bed, you have to lie in it. It's nobody's fault but your own. Sorry, but from what you've told me America did not cause your problems, irresponibility did.

[Guest Syxx]

Its not about choice, when a lot of this shit is based on institutionalized racism, that is based on a factor one has no control over-color of skin. Plain and simple Black people are still paying the price for years of slavery, and are still discriminated against in the work force, and BPP I know I only got a 4 on your asshole scale, but dont try to tell me I need stats to back up a claim that there is racism in the States, because you and I know damn well there is tons of it, especially in the job market.

 

Some guy, you try growing up in a ghetto, with nothing to your name, surrounded by tons of drugs, and gang violence, and see which road you choose to take, and how damn hard it is to get out of that trap.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

Some guy, you try growing up in a ghetto, with nothing to your name, surrounded by tons of drugs, and gang violence, and see which road you choose to take, and how damn hard it is to get out of that trap.

 

While I may not be Some Guy, I did live in a ghetto for a 10 years of my life, now this was not easy because I was the only white kid in this neighborhood, amongst blacks, it is hard to get out of it, but instead of walking the streets gang bangin' at least make an effort to better your lives instead. They rather just hang out, then go to school, then that is their choice, because they have the equal oppurtunity as everyone else, they are just neglecting it, and if they do that, than their is no reason why they should be striving in our society. Anyone, and I mean anyone caqn say to themselves "I'm going to make something out of myself", and everyone does have the chance through public schools, and for minorities it is DIRT easy to get a scholarship to a school, if they aren't going to put in the effort to free themselves from the ghetto than they aren't going to get out, because nothing does, nor should, come for free in this society

[Guest evenflowDDT]

You and your father have made choices that will/have possibly affect your ability to make money. Becoming a Director is a 1 in a million shot. I'd suggest you get a real job first then try film school at night when you can afford it. After you've set our self up finacially, then you could responibly chase pipe dreams.

 

You feel teh American Dream is dead, yet you give me one example and it's more your fault than anything else. Take a look in the mirror and look at who is to blame for your life. Your father chose to leave a family business which would have ensured a better life for you. You chose to go to film school and not business school. You make your bed, you have to lie in it. It's nobody's fault but your own. Sorry, but from what you've told me America did not cause your problems, irresponibility did.

Yea, so what you're saying is that the "American Dream" only works for certain dreams, those who don't want to take chances or risks, but rather those who stick to safe, "real jobs" and assimilation. If you want to branch out, and try something different, then the "American Dream" isn't for you. If you want to follow your heart, your own dreams, then America will make it hard for you because you don't want to follow their idea of what you should want. I can live with that, I suppose...

 

America - the land where dreams can come true, as long as you dream the same as everyone else and have no choice in the matter... how fitting.

[Guest Some Guy]

Yea, so what you're saying is that the "American Dream" only works for certain dreams, those who don't want to take chances or risks, but rather those who stick to safe, "real jobs" and assimilation. If you want to branch out, and try something different, then the "American Dream" isn't for you. If you want to follow your heart, your own dreams, then America will make it hard for you because you don't want to follow their idea of what you should want. I can live with that, I suppose...

 

America - the land where dreams can come true, as long as you dream the same as everyone else and have no choice in the matter... how fitting.

I'm not saying that you have to pick a real jop to be successful, but it does greatly increase your chances if you do. There are only so many Spielbergs, Lucas', etc.. It is nearly impossible to become famous, it's nearly impossible to become a director, actor, or whatever. Go for whatever you want but don't come crying to me if you fail and blame the country for your choices (going for a very low percentage job and refusing to assimilate).

 

"The Americn Dream" is about obtaining a better life for your family, it's about sacrifice and hard work. It's not necesarily about glory and fame.

 

BTW assimilation is far and away the best method way to become successful in America and every other country.