Lance Storm is overrated

[Guest LexLugerRules]

If you really think about it.

 

I havent seen a match with Storm over ****.

 

I'll agree that Storm has charisma, and can be a future main event star.

 

But is he really in the top 5 for best workers in the WWF? I think not.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

Go watch some Japan matches.

[Guest LooseCannon]

I tend to agree with LLR, though I haven't seen him wrestle outiside the WWE except for a little bit in ECW, and some in WCW. He's always struck me as an adequate worker, but nothing more. I never found him to be charismatic enough to get above the Chris Benoit level and consistently main-event, but you never know.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Go watch some Japan matches.

The thing is, THIS IS NORTH AMERICA.

 

Just because your great wrestler in Japan, doesnt mean your going to be a great wrestler in North America.

 

And in Japan, they have GIANT FRIGGIN SILVA AS A MAIN EVENTER!

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

And we have The Big Show at times. Your point? It's not a case of talent, he's a freak. An attraction.

 

Sad thing, Storm has never gotten a real oppertunity to do what he can do. Meaning, match time. Now that he's stuck with Christian (ugh) he'll never get any singles matches for a while. It's not fair to say he's over-rated, when he gets like 4 minutes a week in the ring at most.

 

On Japan:

 

"Just because your great wrestler in Japan, doesnt mean your going to be a great wrestler in North America."

 

It's true, but not in the way you meant it. Most guys that have come over from Japan, both Japanese and Americans, have been buried to the point where they're nothing more than jobbers. You take a guy's moveset, and what does he have left? Nothing.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Sad thing, Storm has never gotten a real oppertunity to do what he can do. Meaning, match time. Now that he's stuck with Christian (ugh) he'll never get any singles matches for a while. It's not fair to say he's over-rated, when he gets like 4 minutes a week in the ring at most.

I'm talking about his WCW and ECW work to.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Well, we've seen how much people have improved once they got OUT of ECW. *cough* RVD. ECW most times was glorified spot crap. I'm sure Storm's ECW work couldn't have been that stellar, considering the opponents he had to face..and the fact Justin Credible was his tag partner. I didn't see any of Lance's WCW work, so I wouldn't know.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I have to disagree. The talent in North America isn't so hot as you can see by what the WWE showcases. The hard workers are not the big dogs and Lance rarely even works with the mid-card.

 

If you are judging him, now is the wrong time. In a few months if Vince pushes this Canada thing hard, you'll see what he can do against the best the WWE has.

 

Lance just now started getting work. He went from being an IC champ to a jobber to a janitor and then came back with nothing. Now he has a title and he has something to do.

 

He has wrestled so little with anyone worth a shit in the WWE that judging him on that is pointless.

 

Watching him in WCW is almost as sueless because the bulk of his career there was against Hugh Morrus and the WCW roster was as depleted as they come. His debut and tagging with Kidman early showcase his ability in the ring and his solid effort.

 

ECW wasn't a real good place either. When Lance was around was in the era of holy shit moments and sick bumps, where Lance couldn't cut it because he's not hardcore (look at his chairshots) He never really got much of a chance to shine and ECW surely didn't have the cream of the crop so to speak.

 

When Lance can mix it up on a regular basis with Jericho, Benoit, RVD, Guerrero, Rey, Rock, Booker, etc. You won't have any reason to complain.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

i'm with El psycho diablo and his fine banner. I can tell he's a good worker, but he doesn't quite fit in. Hopefully a solid tag reign will showcase him and the marvellous christian.

[Guest LooseCannon]

If you are judging him, now is the wrong time. In a few months if Vince pushes this Canada thing hard, you'll see what he can do against the best the WWE has.

I'll agree with that. Maybe in a few months we'll see what he can do. I just haven't seen anything by him yet that has gotten me excited. Like I said, he seems like a perfectly adequate worker, which is probably above average for WWE in its current state, but I haven't seen anything by him yet that would justify some of the internet buzz about him.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

I have to disagree. The talent in North America isn't so hot as you can see by what the WWE showcases. The hard workers are not the big dogs and Lance rarely even works with the mid-card.

 

If you are judging him, now is the wrong time. In a few months if Vince pushes this Canada thing hard, you'll see what he can do against the best the WWE has.

 

Lance just now started getting work. He went from being an IC champ to a jobber to a janitor and then came back with nothing. Now he has a title and he has something to do.

 

He has wrestled so little with anyone worth a shit in the WWE that judging him on that is pointless.

 

Watching him in WCW is almost as sueless because the bulk of his career there was against Hugh Morrus and the WCW roster was as depleted as they come. His debut and tagging with Kidman early showcase his ability in the ring and his solid effort.

 

ECW wasn't a real good place either. When Lance was around was in the era of holy shit moments and sick bumps, where Lance couldn't cut it because he's not hardcore (look at his chairshots) He never really got much of a chance to shine and ECW surely didn't have the cream of the crop so to speak.

 

When Lance can mix it up on a regular basis with Jericho, Benoit, RVD, Guerrero, Rey, Rock, Booker, etc. You won't have any reason to complain.

Sure, Storm's main work in WCW as with Morrus(Who isnt that bad), but Scott Steiner got a decent match out of him.

 

And Storm got to fight good workers like Booker T, Rey Mysterio Jr, Jeff Jarrett, and Kidman. And I seen all wrestlers have alot BETTER matches with different oppenets.

 

I dont think Storm is crap, I just dont think he is GREAT. I'm he is above average.

 

I also think he couldnt draw, if he was a main event.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Those names you mentioned above maybe got 1 to 2 matches with Lance tops. Russo was booking so the matches were short and with lots of scmozz endings and interference. I remember both matches with Booker and they were very good. Lance wrestled WITH Kidman a lot, but not much against him. Never really with Rey. The guy really got lost in the shuffle so Morrus was HIS ONLY matches for a while. No they weren't bad, but you can't recycle it long before it just gets old.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Lance Storm is overrated

 

yeah, and Lex Luger Rules right?

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I'll venture on to say that if you are a fan of Jericho, I think Storm is the better worker of the two. I see him as more agile than Benoit, maybe not Eddy, but he is younger ans with less injury so he is one of the ebst there is out there and if he gets his chance, he'll prove it. He needs a new submission move, though. I think the giving him the Sharpshooter (notice the decline in The Rock using it) would really help him get over.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Lance Storm is overrated

 

yeah, and Lex Luger Rules right?

Whats your problem?

 

Not once did I say Lex Luger was a GREAT worker.

 

I grew up watching him, and am a mark for him.

 

I'm sure you were a little Hulkamanic when you were a kid. Well I liked Luger.

 

Those names you mentioned above maybe got 1 to 2 matches with Lance tops. Russo was booking so the matches were short and with lots of scmozz endings and interference. I remember both matches with Booker and they were very good. Lance wrestled WITH Kidman a lot, but not much against him. Never really with Rey. The guy really got lost in the shuffle so Morrus was HIS ONLY matches for a while. No they weren't bad, but you can't recycle it long before it just gets old.

 

Well until Storm has a ****, I am sticking with my opinion.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Due to popular Demand. Top 5 best workers in the WWE.

 

Angle

Van Dam

Benoit

Eddie Guerreuo

Edge

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Storm/Edge from I think Summerslam 2001 would satisfy that. Go watch it. I'd say that is the lone match , though. I can definetly see your point and that is your opinion. Can't argue with someone who is open-minded but objective.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Here's the trick. A lot of guys NEVER have **** matches. I don't even feel the massively over-rated Benoit/RVD and Benoit/Eddy v Rock/Edge were four.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Storm/Edge from I think Summerslam 2001 would satisfy that. Go watch it. I'd say that is the lone match , though. I can definetly see your point and that is your opinion. Can't argue with someone who is open-minded but objective.

I'll agree that was a very good match. But I seen Edge in better matches. And it wasnt **** in my opinion. (I gave it ***1/2).

 

Now dont get me wrong, I dont think Storm is a horrible worker. I think he is a good worker, but not a great worker.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

It was a joke,btw

 

I'm sure you were a little Hulkamanic when you were a kid. Well I liked Luger

 

Actually, i hated Hogan. I was always a Savage/Bret fan.

 

Im from UK you see, so none of that "Real American" bullshit washed with me.(Probly added to my hatred of Luger too)

 

To me Storm is much better than Edge. Edge is a punch-kick guy. He couldnt go to Japan and wrestle the matches Storm could. Given chance, Lance could go 4* and more.

 

...and whats to say he hasn't already? what some see as below 4* others would see as 4*+

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Lance Storm is overrated

 

yeah, and Lex Luger Rules right?

Luger was the fucking king in 1989, and don't let anyone tell you different.

 

As for Storm's Japan stuff, I'd really like to know what he did that was that good, because I haven't heard about it. I've only seen the one Sky-Diving J tag match with him and Yasuroaka Vs. Samurai/Honaga, and it wasn't that good. I know WAR didn't exactly have the hugest crop of talent or the best booking when it came to utalizing good workers, but I really don't see Storm standing out from the crop over there.

 

Storm's ECW stuff was fun at times, like the Lynn matches, but most of the time he was stuck in shitty tag matches with Justin Credible, somewhere no one wants to be. The WCW work was also fun, and he was pretty much the only guy having fun matches with anyone, but nothing exceptional. The highlight of his WWF work so far was probably the IC title match with Edge last year where he put in a really solid performance and showed he belonged. Of course, then he was de-pushed for a year up until a few weeks ago, but the point was reaffirmed in his match with the returning HHH which actually provided for fun TV. So yeah, Storm is a consistantly-fun worker, but rarely turns up something breathtaking.

 

...and his punches fucking suck. Yeah.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

I think Edge proved he is more than a punck/kick guy at Backlash 2002.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Luger was the fucking king in 1989, and don't let anyone tell you different.

nope, Flair and Steamboat were king in 89. Luger was a good heel back then, never anything close to a good worker.

[Guest mach7]

Well until Storm has a ****, I am sticking with my opinion.

Exactly. It's all a matter of opinion.

 

Who exactly is judging the quality of these matches? It all depends. He might not be a great worker to you, but he might be to someone else.

 

Like I said, it's a matter of opinion.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Here's something.

 

What seperates "Good" from "Great"?

 

To me, anything over *** 1/2 level is a damn good match, and better than what 80% of the rest of the roster is churning out. I don't trust rants a lot of times, because they tend to be biased. (Like Keith. Benoit v Anyone = ****).

 

Could it be that Storm just hasn't had the oppertunity to shine yet? Granted, some of his work was good in the past. But ECW was ECW..and Lance isn't the hardcore type. WCW was falling apart. He hasn't gotten that much of a chance in the WWE yet.

 

No, he's no Chris Benoit.

 

Oh, Edge may look good right now, but see who he's been working with? Kurt Angle, and now Eddy/Benoit. Who's Storm been working with? Mark Henry..Rikishi..

 

See my point?

 

The reason Edge may look like a better worker, is because he's put against higher-caliber opponents, and raised onto a pedistal. They won't let him look bad right now. It's not really fair to call Lance an 'adequate worker' until he gets the same chance.

[Guest mach7]

The reason Edge may look like a better worker, is because he's put against higher-caliber opponents, and raised onto a pedistal. They won't let him look bad right now. It's not really fair to call Lance an 'adequate worker' until he gets the same chance.

*ding ding ding* We have a winner.

 

I totally agree. I'd be interested in seeing the inevitable Storm vs RVD match-up on RAW...

[Guest Just call me Dan]

You want to talk about over-rated, Christian. Of course, this argument could be met by most of my own objections to Storm, but I don't see much technical stuff in him and his offense is as weak as Jericho's. He may be able to be as good as his "brother" at best.

[Guest bob_barron]

From what I've seen of Lance-

 

The SummSlam amtch v. Edge was awesome. That's the only match in the WWF/E where he's been given more than five minutes it seems.

 

Hopefully like everyone else said Team Canada will take off and we'll get to see 10-20 min Lance matches

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Here's something.

 

What seperates "Good" from "Great"?

 

Someone who constantly has great matches. And carry someone(Which Storm cant)

 

To me, anything over *** 1/2 level is a damn good match, and better than what 80% of the rest of the roster is churning out. I don't trust rants a lot of times, because they tend to be biased. (Like Keith. Benoit v Anyone = ****).

 

I agree anything over ***1/2 is a damn good matches. I also dont base my opinion on rants.

 

Could it be that Storm just hasn't had the oppertunity to shine yet? Granted, some of his work was good in the past. But ECW was ECW..and Lance isn't the hardcore type. WCW was falling apart. He hasn't gotten that much of a chance in the WWE yet.

 

WCW may have been falling apart, but he still couldnt even carry Hugh Morrus(Who is carryable, Scott Steiner carried him to a good match). And he had pently of great oppenets.

 

I do feel Storm can be a great superstar, but he isnt YET.

 

The reason Edge may look like a better worker, is because he's put against higher-caliber opponents, and raised onto a pedistal. They won't let him look bad right now. It's not really fair to call Lance an 'adequate worker' until he gets the same chance.

 

Edge has been having great singles match since his singles push, I mean he dragged a good match out of TEST(Who isnt bad in my opinion). Although his matches with Regal have been pretty bad(I cant remember the last time Regal had a great match).

[Guest LexLugerRules]

You want to talk about over-rated, Christian. Of course, this argument could be met by most of my own objections to Storm, but I don't see much technical stuff in him and his offense is as weak as Jericho's. He may be able to be as good as his "brother" at best.

I consider Christian like Lance Storm.

 

He's a good wrestler, who has the charisma to be a main eventer.

 

But I dont think he can draw.