Lance Storm is overrated

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

I just wanna point out that Storm had a really good match with Jeff Jarrett on a Thunder. It wasn't **** but it was at least ***.

 

The match was about 10 minutes long, back and forth action and a ton of False finishes. And, it even ended with a Clean Win by Jarrett.

 

They told a great story and it was one of the last good matches WcW had, IMO.

[Guest AndrewTS]

My thoughts on Luger: Was once a decent worker, but Flair never gave him the rub to be a bonafide main eventer. His ring work declined like hell soon after, possibly from his bad back.

 

And when he got to WCW...ugh...terrible matches all the time. He'd "play Ricky Morton" in all his SINGLES matches, then do a series of inverted atomic drops, flying forearms, and then the TORTURE RACK!!

 

I wasn't even very old at the time, but I noticed, "Gee...Luger SUCKS!"

 

As for Storm, how is he overrated? He's a very good ring worker, but problem is...he's rather boring on the mic (he can be funny, but seems uncomfortable on the mic and sounds very stiff), he doesn't have any really explosive, crowd-popping moves (fixed easily enough), but he can really go when he isn't stuck with slugs like Kish and Morris.

[Guest mister foozel]

i dunno, this is coming from a guy who thinks Lex Luger rules...

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Can we not bash anyone on their particular likes/dislikes for wrestlers? Maybe you don't like Luger, but he does. It's not a crime. Let's keep these discussions civil, and I won't have to kill all of you in a blind rage.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Pff, what do you know, you like RVD and Hayabusa

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Top 5 workers in WWE:

1) Kurt

2) Benoit

3) Eddy

4) Jericho

5) Storm

 

That's my opinion. Flame if you want.

I Agree.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

In terms of the press he receives on the internet...I definitely think Storm is overrated.

 

Nothing about Lance Storm's in-ring performance captivates me. His ring psychology makes for good match analysis but drowns out interest from the crowd. His moveset and execution is extremely safe for his opponent but it's also fairly indistinguishable from any other superstar out there. His interviews are somewhat entertaining just because of his almost blatant lack of personality, but that almost guarantees he'll never be a top-level draw.

 

Most of the matches that have been mentioned here (RVD/Storm, Rock/Storm, Booker/Storm, Edge/Storm) all have opponents who are adept at working the crowd and keeping them interested in the overall drama of the match. (This arguably means that other workers were carrying him.) And, because Storm doesn't really bring a sense of drama to the table on the mic or in the ring, I don't really think he's capable of carrying a five-star match or even a four-star match.

 

Storm will probably always bang out a solid two-to-three snowflake match every time he goes out...and his opponents will never have to worry about him not putting over their offense or attempting to steal the crowd heat...but the fact of the matter is that Lance Storm is far too vanilla to be considered one of the elite workers in the WWE.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I can't really say Jericho would be in the top five anymore. His work just hasn't clicked for me lately. I know this place is extremely pro-Jericho..but..eh.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Top 5 on current form:

 

1. Benoit (just completely on fire since returning, carried Bubba well)

2. Guerrero (hasn't missed a step and is back to a top-5-in-the-world worker)

3. Angle (rarely has a bad match, carries slugs like Henry to watchable ones)

4. The Rock (every match since returning has been good, some great)

5. Mysterio Jr. (moving up but only has had 2 matches, looks excelent)

[Guest MaxPower27]

Bah, I strongly dislike The Rock, his promos are used as bathroom breaks for me, that's how exciting he is to me.

 

HMW: I agree with that on a current form, as Benoit has been rolling lately, and his matches have been AWESOME. RVD v. Benoit kicked all types of ass.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Jesus Christ.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not starting any trouble but this is seriously pissing, me off.

 

When people cant have a proper agurement.

 

In this thread, I dont know how many people said.

 

LOLOOL!!!1111!!! U LIKEZ LUGER! U NO NOTING BOUT WRASSLIN! LOLLOLOLLOOLOL!!!!!!!111!!!!

 

Jesus Christ, instead of bashing me for being a Luger mark, how about keeping on topic, and having a good fucking agurement.

[Guest Chuck Woolery]

How about spelling arguement right?

 

 

Mike Van Siclen.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

How about spelling arguement right?

 

 

Mike Van Siclen.

Dont be an ass please.

[Guest Chuck Woolery]

Bah, it was my first post on this thread, and it's midnight, and I'm bored, and I've never seen a Luger match so I can't comment on that.

 

Mike Van Siclen.

Hmph.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Due to popular Demand. Top 5 best workers in the WWE.

 

Angle

Van Dam

Benoit

Eddie Guerreuo

Edge

Edge?

 

*shrugs* cant think of much to disprove, but I dont think Edge should be in the top five anythings. I mean Jericho, but... even he's not *that* superior.

 

I dont know about Edge as tehe 5th... Angle/VanDamn/Benoit/Guerrero... I got no real problem there, but despite his being pushed to the floor, I still like Jericho

[Guest LexLugerRules]

I havent really got opinion on Jericho.

 

At times, hes a great worker who puts on great matches.

 

And at times, hes a sloppy fool.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I Still think Regal is good. Put him with Benoit, Angle and Eddy and you'll get gold.

 

Put him with RVD and it's acceptable.

 

Put him with Edge and it's a disaster.

 

Put him with Fit Finley and watch me mark out.

Jesus, I have GAB '98, and after watching Booker T / Fit Finley with a more open mind.... god Regal / Finley would very likely be out of this fucking world

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Well Lex, I dont exactly think Jericho is GREAT by any measure, but I dont know, Maybe its because I'm not and never will be an Edge-Head, but I just havent been entertained by him whatsoever. Not quite to the "Brock Lesnar? *click* ooh Sportscenter!" level, but still, I watched the cage match more for Jericho than Edge.

 

EDIT: And I DEFINETLY think Jericho blows spots, I'm not gonna argue there. From me its more dissapointment with Edge than love of Jericho... He is pretty "Hit or Miss"

[Guest Ph34r Tha Leaf]

Back to Storm, I too think he is very bland in the ring and on the mic.

 

<Storm> A little leg work

<Other Guy> Makes a comeback

<Storm> Dropkick to knee and more leg work

<Other Guy> Makes a comeback

<Storm> Drop toe hold he goes for the Leaf

<Other Guy> Gets to the ropes or blocks it, then he tries something like a missile dropkick

<Storm> He catches one of their legs and gets the tap from the Leaf

 

Rince, repeat.

[Guest Brian]

Jericho, when he's on and he has been lately since he got the title at Vengeance, can be very, very good. He's just got an incredible way of selling offense like he's dead most of the time. He has a nice offense that's pretty well-rounded with some really great, convincing moves he can break out but the downside is he has no credibility on a finsher.

 

I think Mysterio, once everyone sees the full extent of what he can do, will be an easy top five. I'm still waiting for him and Knoble for like fifteen minutes on the mat building to a lucha/NJ-espue match like Tajiri. Damn, I want Rey/Tajiri for twenty. I want Chavo/Rey for twenty.

[Guest The Mountie]

Rey/Chavo for twenty minutes would be great but I tell you there'd be 10,000 people in the arena chanting 'BORING!, BORING!', because the WWF has programmed its casual audience to expect the run-ins, backstage skits, turns, feuds, etc. that attracted them to the product in the first place. The problem is they can't even deliver the soap opera any more, so JR says 'Right, we'll build a cruiserwight division' but then makes them have 5 minute matches with roll-up finishes. Then, I read this week that the company wants to adapt a more submission-based style. What happened to the supposed changing of the name to emphasise 'entertainment'? The fact of the matter is the company no longer knows what they are doing and no matter how many great wrestlers they have, they will all suffer as a result.

[Guest bob_barron]

They're starting to get into Rey though.

 

That match v. Tajiri was awesome

[Guest AndrewTS]

In my own defense: I didn't bash the Luger lover, I just bashed Luger. I didn't even really bash him, per say, just pointed out how horrible he'd gotten.

 

However, the light offense of Storm is one of his problems. Part of the reason Rock is over is, although he only uses maybe 5 moves in the course of an entire match up (save for some PPV matches), he puts a hell of a lot of effort into each one, so it LOOKS powerful as all hell. The spinebuster, for example.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Go watch some Japan matches.

The thing is, THIS IS NORTH AMERICA.

 

Just because your great wrestler in Japan, doesnt mean your going to be a great wrestler in North America.

 

And in Japan, they have GIANT FRIGGIN SILVA AS A MAIN EVENTER!

The point is that he is capable of **** matches, but WWE won't allow him to display his ring skills. I mean really, does making Rikishi look good give him the oppertunity to show his skills? No.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

I Still think Regal is good.  Put him with Benoit, Angle and Eddy and you'll get gold.

 

Put him with RVD and it's acceptable.

 

Put him with Edge and it's a disaster.

 

Put him with Fit Finley and watch me mark out.

Jesus, I have GAB '98, and after watching Booker T / Fit Finley with a more open mind.... god Regal / Finley would very likely be out of this fucking world

I liked the Benoit/Regal match at Pillman memorial. My only problem with Regal is that his kicks look... fake. I know Iknow, wrestling strikes are fake, but at least LOOK like your kicking the guy.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

regal is a grewat wrestler, its just that he simply cant work wwe style

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Top 5 workers in WWE:

1) Kurt

2) Benoit

3) Eddy

4) Jericho

5) Storm

 

That's my opinion. Flame if you want.

I Agree.

I would still put Benoit over Angle. Angle has a little bit more to learn. He'll probably be on the level of a Flair one day, but for right now Benoit puts on a better show.

[Guest mister foozel]

All I'm saying is this:

 

Before you bash a guy you haven't really seen wrestle like Lance Storm, think about the crap you're supporting like Lex Luger, who you HAVE seen wrestle.

 

But I guess that was actually off-topic when I said it, so my opinion on this whole thing about Lance Storm is just that I need to see more of his wrestling before I put him on any kind of high pedistle others have him on already.

 

Until then, yeah, I guess he is a bit overrated.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Luger was a great, great worker at one point, not always. His ninties work was some of the worst I've ever seen. But for a few years, there was brilliance, and that was the point I was trying to make. Instead of making fun of him, watch the matches and see the greatness.

 

Regal is a very limited worker these days, if not a bad one. In 2001, he managed to find a good role for himself in a few tag matches, but his singles matches were still very dissapointing. Jericho, who was doing some good work at the time, could only get decent, fun matches out of Regal, nothing worth getting excited about. Austin, who was the Best Wrestler in North America at the time, could hardly get decent out of him. He just didn't have a good match in him for virtually anyone, unless it was a tag match where all of his flaws could be hidden by those who knew how.

 

Storm's problem isn't so much that he doesn't know how to put a compelling match together, but that he over-reaches too much. Bumping and selling aside, Storm isn't very dynamic as far as story-telling. If he's got an actual purpose in mind, and it isn't out of his reach, he can be good, but too often he over-reaches and kills a possibly-good match, or just doesn't try enough and reduces the match to a jumbled mass of drop-kicks and body-presses that don't mean a damn thing. If he can get focuses and find someone who knows how to help him get to what he's trying for, then it can be good, but otherwise he can be quite the "wasted motions" worker.

 

As for the top five, I have to say RVD and Storm don't belong. Obviously it's Benoit, Eddy, and Angle in whatever order you prefer, but after that Rey and Tajiri deserve the praise, maybe Chavo too. I don't think people realize how vapid a worker Kidman has become, and how much Taj blatantly carried him in a lot of their matches. Noble can be really good, too, but he hasn't really done anything for me yet. So yeah, my list would probably be:

 

1. Chris Benoit

2. Eddy Guererro

3. Kurt Angle

4. Rey Misterio Jr.

5. Yoshihiro Tajiri

[Guest LexLugerRules]

All I'm saying is this:

 

Before you bash a guy you haven't really seen wrestle like Lance Storm, think about the crap you're supporting like Lex Luger, who you HAVE seen wrestle.

Ok, not to start a flame war, but are you stupid or blind?

 

I SAID I KNOW LUGER WASNT A GOOD WORKER IN THE 90'S.

 

But Luger had better matches than Storm.

 

I have seen LOTS of Storm matches, and they are boring.