Lance Storm is overrated

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Someone who constantly has great matches. And carry someone(Which Storm cant)

Watch the match SS again, Storm carried Edge to Edge's best singles match not involving Kurt Angle.

 

WCW may have been falling apart, but he still couldnt even carry Hugh Morrus(Who is carryable, Scott Steiner carried him to a good match). And he had pently of great oppenets.

 

erm....when? Slamboree 2000? and who were these "Great" opponents?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Luger was the fucking king in 1989, and don't let anyone tell you different.

nope, Flair and Steamboat were king in 89. Luger was a good heel back then, never anything close to a good worker.

Well, if you're going to try for the "he was carried by genius workers" arguement, you should at least mention Pillman and Windham, too, because their matches against each other also ruled the fucking world, and the Luger/Windham tag team was just balls out.

 

Watch Luger/Koloff or Luger/Rich from '87 and it's clear that, even at that point, Luger was a sollid worker and on his way to being a really good worker as he carried Nikita to a good, smart match that made him look very strong. The matches he had with the usual greats were products of his clever wrestling style, too. Watching Flair work the same old match with someone like Garvin and then with Luger is like night and day because Luger knew how to play off of Flair's arrogance with that of his own while also adding smart touches and great selling to make it all the better. His match with Steamboat from GAB '89 just rules it because not only does Steamboat know how to sell like a king but so does Luger, and it all comes together perfectly because of Luger's awesome heel work. Luger was deffinately not the best worker in '89, but he was certainly a good, smart, charismatic worker who could get heat on a match effortlessly and knew how to take what he was given and run with it.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Watch the match SS again, Storm carried Edge to Edge's best singles match not involving Kurt Angle.

 

Storm didnt carry Edge.

 

erm....when? Slamboree 2000? and who were these "Great" opponents?

 

Booker, Jarret, Mysterio, Kidman, Chavo, etc.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

Thank you RickyChosyu.

 

Luger in 1989, was The Rock in 1998.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I remember Storm's match with Booker on nitro being rather good.

 

How is Booker a "great" worker, when storm isn't?

 

As i said Luger was a good character in 80s but he was never as charismatic as Rocky.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

I remember Storm's match with Booker on nitro being rather good.

 

How is Booker a "great" worker, when storm isn't?

Booker T proved to me he can carry people(Big Show at Vengeance was underrated in my opinion).

 

It was good but not **** caliber. It was ***.

 

I gotta jet, nice aguring with you guys.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Oh, I don't know..

 

Regal and RVD was..how does he put it.."Perfectly Acceptable Wrestling"

 

"Someone who constantly has great matches. And carry someone(Which Storm cant)"

 

Again, he hasn't really had the oppertunity. Carrying someone usually relies on the fact that..

 

a) You control most of the offense. (HHH)

or

B) You bump like a maniac. (RVD, HBK, Flair)

 

Of which he's had the chance to do neither. He's not particularly a bumper like Spike, he's a wrestler. Hard to wrestle when you get beat up by Rikishi constantly.

 

"WCW may have been falling apart, but he still couldnt even carry Hugh Morrus(Who is carryable, Scott Steiner carried him to a good match). And he had pently of great oppenets. "

 

You have a point here..but consider this. Where is the motivation to put on a great match when you don't know what the hell you'll be doing next week, or who your boss will be, or if you'll even be in buisness? It's like Rey Mysterio. He wasn't motivated, so he realized doing a Bronco Buster could get as much of a pop as doing a springboard rana. Great matches require motivation. Wasn't Steiner also WCW Champion at the time?

 

"Edge has been having great singles match since his singles push, I mean he dragged a good match out of TEST(Who isnt bad in my opinion). Although his matches with Regal have been pretty bad(I cant remember the last time Regal had a great match). "

 

Now we want to talk average. If anything, Edge's matches have been bad, mediocre, or good (Angle). His feud and matches with Christian were dissapointing, his feud with Regal stunk, and his feud with Angle led to him getting the upper hand every single damn time. Edge has been made to look very, very good by the WWE hype machine, and that counts for quite a bit. His offense isn't too stellar, and revolves around spears, a reverse X-factor, load of punches and kicks, and whatever his finisher is at the time. He's constantly put over by the commentators, and given loads of airtime.

 

Storm on the other hand has gotten on average 4 minutes a week if he's lucky, and promo time only within the last few weeks. The announcers have never played him or the "Un-Americans" (ugh) as a threat, constantly making them into a joke.

 

Now?

[Guest BionicRedneck]

It was good but not **** caliber. It was ***.

 

.

Oh dear god

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

As I've said before..four stars is a stupidly high standard. How many workers put on average a four star match a month, much less more than five or six in a lifetime?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Back on the issue at hand, Storm's match with Edge was the best singles match the kid had been in up until the feud with Angle, and even then, only one of the Angle/Edge matches was clearly better than Storm/Edge.

 

Storm had some entertaining TV with Chavo, Booker, Awesome Vito, Rey, Morrus, and, later, the Filthy Animals, but nothing to write home about. His offense was always good, but he didn't really know how to make it mean something, in most cases. He can rarely work a body part very well, even when it has the logical purpose of building up to his finisher, and over-reaching his boundires seems to be a problem for him. I remember, particularly, a match he had with Norman Smiley (who can be a fun little carny shooter) which was downright atrocious; Storm even went on his official website and appologized for how terrible the match was. It was Storm trying to take it upon himself to carry Norman to long, drawn-out mat-based match, and it just completely blew up in his face. The Edge match was a good example of him sticking strictly to what he's good at and letting his opponent look good at the same time. He should work like that more often.

[Guest TheHulkster]

I like Lance, but I too don't agree with the blowjob treatment he gets on the net. He's proven to be a capable worker, but he has some pretty big glaring flaws that keep him from being a great pro wrestler. The biggest flaw he has is his embarrassingly light offense. Has Lance ever busted out a move that really made you jump out of your seat or wince in the least bit? He should try to make his offense at least make you suspend disbelief, I mean his punches are Sid-like in the way that they make you chuckle instead of say "Wow, I hope his opponent is alright". He could use a new finisher too, the Half crab screams 1985.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Let it be known that Edge did get a good match out of Test at one point, something even Eddy struggled with.

 

However, the Regal matches did suck, but I think pretty much everyone needs to agree that Regal was the ABSOLUTE WORST WRESTER to be wrestling Edge at the time, as they totally clashed and had no idea how to build an interesting series of matches, which was made all the worse by the fact that the feud JUST WOULDN'T DIE ALREADY. Was it slightly Edge's fault he couldn't figuer out how to put together a match with Regal that didn't suck? Yes. Is it more management's fault for booking them in a match together, let alone four or five of them? Hell yes.

 

I pray that Regal/Edge is left forgotten and I don't have to discuss it ever again.

[Guest LooseCannon]

I agree with Ricky's assessment completely, which is why I think he's overrated, atleast on the net anyway.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

In that case, a lot of guys could use new finishers.

 

 

Not many good un-banned finishers to be had, though.

 

*edit* On Regal..

 

Seeing as though Van Dam had the best match with Regal anyone's had in months..is it just proof that RVD's a better all-around worker than Edge is?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Seeing as though Van Dam had the best match with Regal anyone's had in months..is it just proof that RVD's a better all-around worker than Edge is?

Regal's best WWF match was a tag match w/Angle Vs. Jericho/Benoit on a Smackdown! sometime after Wrestlemania X7 that was just incredibly good. As for this year, I would agree RVD has been the only one to actually mesh with him pretty well. Even then, I found their matches to be "eh" and left it at that.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Seeing as though Van Dam had the best match with Regal anyone's had in months..is it just proof that RVD's a better all-around worker than Edge is?

Regal's best WWF match was a tag match w/Angle Vs. Jericho/Benoit on a Smackdown! sometime after Wrestlemania X7 that was just incredibly good. As for this year, I would agree RVD has been the only one to actually mesh with him pretty well. Even then, I found their matches to be "eh" and left it at that.

(looks at the people in that match..then just kind of laughs..not really suprised.)

 

*not a serious post. Go back about your buisness.*

[Guest TheDames7]

I remember Storm's match with Booker on nitro being rather good.

 

How is Booker a "great" worker, when storm isn't?

Booker T proved to me he can carry people(Big Show at Vengeance was underrated in my opinion).

 

It was good but not **** caliber. It was ***.

 

I gotta jet, nice aguring with you guys.

Booker did NOT carry Big Show in that match. Hell, Big Show dominated the match outside of Booker's signature maneuvers.

 

Storm had some great matches with Booker, Sting, Kidman and a few others in WCW and had a hell of a tag match (teaming with Credible) against Gedo and Jado.

 

Storm DID carry Edge in that SummerSlam match, as Edge's singles career had just started and he used to look lost on offense. I agree that he needs a new finish, however. Besides the half crab, everyone has a superkick and with HBK throwing them lately, Storm's doesn't have as much credibility. When he does the ROLLING Half Crab, along with working the leg, its bought as a credible finish. In WCW, when Storm had 3 titles and faced Booker for the World title, his half crab was so over as a legit submission finish that when he put it on Booker, the crowd had a collective orgasm as they all thought he was going to win for a second. All faces that he had faced previously tapped to it....THAT's how you build a submission finish.

 

Dames

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Hey..with the WWE building to a more "submission based style"..we can always hope.

[Guest DEAN RASMUSSEN]

Lance Storm is overrated

 

yeah, and Lex Luger Rules right?

Luger was the fucking king in 1989, and don't let anyone tell you different.

 

As for Storm's Japan stuff, I'd really like to know what he did that was that good, because I haven't heard about it. I've only seen the one Sky-Diving J tag match with him and Yasuroaka Vs. Samurai/Honaga, and it wasn't that good. I know WAR didn't exactly have the hugest crop of talent or the best booking when it came to utalizing good workers, but I really don't see Storm standing out from the crop over there.

 

Storm's ECW stuff was fun at times, like the Lynn matches, but most of the time he was stuck in shitty tag matches with Justin Credible, somewhere no one wants to be. The WCW work was also fun, and he was pretty much the only guy having fun matches with anyone, but nothing exceptional. The highlight of his WWF work so far was probably the IC title match with Edge last year where he put in a really solid performance and showed he belonged. Of course, then he was de-pushed for a year up until a few weeks ago, but the point was reaffirmed in his match with the returning HHH which actually provided for fun TV. So yeah, Storm is a consistantly-fun worker, but rarely turns up something breathtaking.

 

...and his punches fucking suck. Yeah.

Storm was carried by the vastly more talented Yuji Yasaraoka when they were a tag team in Japan. Storm's stuff in ECW was better than his WAR stuff- especially the match against Chris Candito on ECW TV vs his best match in WAR- the match against Jericho at WAR International Junior Tournament in 1995.

 

DEAN.

[Guest bob_barron]

I loved the Regal v. Edge series!

 

Well just look at my sig.

 

I think Lance did carry Edge at SummSlam- he controlled almost the whole match

[Guest Storm Tracker]

Lex Luger thinks Lance Storm is overrated? Lex Luger is more pathetic than Hulk Hogan. Lance Storm is an Impact Player and besides, he's from Calgary...Alberta...Canada!

Regal has the Power of the Punch!

Edge sucks!

[Guest BigPoppaKev]

I disagree with some statements here. I think it is easiar to be a good worker in NA than Japan because the Japanese are on a higher standard than wrestlers in NA. Like a good wrestler like say Christian would be somewhat of a mediocore wrestler in Japan. Not saying he isn't a good worker. And to add my two cents in I think Lance Storm is a very fundamentaly sound wrestler. Just because he doesn't have the flair of some guys people don't think he is the best wrestler around.

[Guest HollywoodSpikeJenkins]

Did anyone forget other great Storm/WWE matches?

 

 

Storm vs. Rock on a Smackdown for the WCW title was pretty good. Even though Im not a Rock fan....

 

Storm vs. RVD on Heat was a great match. It was just cut down because it went too long. But so was RVD/Lynn on Heat. Which was also a great match.

[Guest Goodear]

Well, if you're going to try for the "he was carried by genius workers" arguement, you should at least mention Pillman and Windham, too, because their matches against each other also ruled the fucking world, and the Luger/Windham tag team was just balls out.

 

Watch Luger/Koloff or Luger/Rich from '87 and it's clear that, even at that point, Luger was a sollid worker and on his way to being a really good worker as he carried Nikita to a good, smart match that made him look very strong. The matches he had with the usual greats were products of his clever wrestling style, too. Watching Flair work the same old match with someone like Garvin and then with Luger is like night and day because Luger knew how to play off of Flair's arrogance with that of his own while also adding smart touches and great selling to make it all the better. His match with Steamboat from GAB '89 just rules it because not only does Steamboat know how to sell like a king but so does Luger, and it all comes together perfectly because of Luger's awesome heel work. Luger was deffinately not the best worker in '89, but he was certainly a good, smart, charismatic worker who could get heat on a match effortlessly and knew how to take what he was given and run with it.

Oh My God... I agree with you! This never happens! Oh well.

 

Luger really was the total package at the time, that match with Ricky just rocks the party, with Lex and Ricky just bumping like whackos. My favorite part is the clothesline series where Ricky keeps getting back up and after the final clothesline, he gets up swinging wildly, before absolutely crumbling to the mat. And then the awesome DQ finish that was actually well booked since Luger forced his way out of the No DQ clause before the match ever got underway. Damn, don't get me started on Great American Bash '89. Awesome, awesome show.

 

And that Windham-Luger angle was so well played out with the initial title win, then Windham turning on Luger in the rematch, and then Luger winning the US title were all just wonderful examples of good booking and great wrestling.

 

Man if Flair just hadn't been unwilling to put Luger over, Luger would have had a much better place in history than he has. Damn, Luger was something back in the day.

[Guest LexLugerRules]

By your defention of carrying. Austin carried Benoit on Smackdown in Edmonton.

 

Where Austin maytain most of the offense in the match.

 

Hey I like Storm, it think he is charismatic, but hes not the best.

 

Edge hasent had good matches with Regal, because him and Regal just dont mesh together.

 

Not a knock on either wrestlers.

 

RVD and Regal meshed well together.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"Back on the issue at hand, Storm's match with Edge was the best singles match the kid had been in up until the feud with Angle, and even then, only one of the Angle/Edge matches was clearly better than Storm/Edge."

 

This is quite simply...the most accurate statement I have ever read on this messageboard.

 

 

1. RVD vs. Storm...they did have a good Heat match...followed up by an even better RAW match where RVD actually sold his leg to not jump up to the top turnbuckle. Neither was **** but they were darn good.

 

2. I am not a fan of Edge. He has a goofy look and his body always just looks like its in the wrong place when he performs every move he does.

 

3. Someone put RVD in the top 5 workers in the WWE. I always disagree with that as much as humanely possible...then I got to thinking about the sad state of affairs.

 

Benoit, Angle and Eddy are light years ahead of him...improvement or not.

 

Then you hit a big gray area.

 

I think RVD is better than Edge. I think Storm is better than RVD...he just doens't have hte same opportunities that RVD does for longer matches with better opponents.

 

Rey Rey is good, Chavo is very good, Helms is getting on my nerves...the gimmick needs to go...I'm not a big fan of Noble...Tajiri I like...and Kidman is solid.

 

SO I don't think that RVD is a top 5 worker...as the cruisers for the most part run their game better...

 

But I admit...it scares me more than pleases me how fast he is rising that list.

 

Before anyone says it...RVD's better than Booker Also...I love the Book...but he can have some really boring matches really often.

 

I Still think Regal is good. Put him with Benoit, Angle and Eddy and you'll get gold.

 

Put him with RVD and it's acceptable.

 

Put him with Edge and it's a disaster.

 

Put him with Fit Finley and watch me mark out.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Add Jericho to my list of people better than RVD.

 

Damn that HHH...he's buried him in my mind as well.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Storm says that his match vs. Lynn at AR99 is his best match, that was **** on a generous scale. However, Chris Benoit shits out those kind of matches blindfolded. Storm has the disadvange of being Canadian, in that he has to be compared to Bret Hart, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Owen Hart, and Test So when people put him in that league of course he is going to be overrated. When people call storm 'one of the best workers in the business', when you have Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit in that catagory as well, he is going to be overrated.

 

Great Wrestlers have Great matches, Storm hasn't had one yet. His style is annoying; he is too much of a good worker. Nothing he does in the ring looks natural, when he takes a bump you can see him set up for the next, he takes pride in not breaking an egg with his drop kick, but what he gains in 'protecting the boys' he loses the realism that wrestling needs...Christ, look at his fucking chair shots.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Storm has good technique but almost no idea how to put together a compelling match, and his softness is really apparent (Storm has the worst punches in WWE aside from Hogan's currently).

[Guest MaxPower27]

No idea how to put a match together properly? Pretty much everyone in this topic has agreed that Storm v. Edge @SummerSlam 2001 was a very good match. Guess what? Storm did that entire match! Seeing as how Edge was just getting out on a singles push, Edge doesn't know how to put a very good singles match together. Storm does, BOOM! A great WRESTLING match. That's why Storm is considered overrated, he doesn't have good WRESTLING opponents. He gets Rakasichi, Mark henry, etc. Guys who wouldn't know a wrestling match if they ate one.

 

This whole thing is based on opinion, so here's mine:

 

Top 5 workers in WWE:

1) Kurt

2) Benoit

3) Eddy

4) Jericho

5) Storm

 

That's my opinion. Flame if you want.