Guest RicFlairGlory Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Well right now I have RR 98, WM 98, SmSlam 98. I need to grab KOR (for Taker/Mankind), and Survivor Series too (Rock turning was great, though I'm reluctant to buy it because I think I have it on tape somewhere). '98 was a lot better than I gave it credit for at the time. Now I know Austin/Michaels and the Casket Match have no chance, but what's everyones take on the '98 MOTY?
Guest bob_barron Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I bought the Classic 5 Box Set. My MOTY is Rock v. HHH ladder and Austin v. Dude OTE
Guest RicFlairGlory Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Eh.... putting Foley in a MOTY, I'd have to think long and hard about not including HIAC, but Austin/Dude Love was a damn good match. More match than the shock of HIAC, I'd probably take that match over Rock/HHH, though I thought that was one of the last great Ladder Matches.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 See, the thing is, Bret was still world-class in '96, but he left after WM and didn't come back until Survivor Series, which is a very large portion of the year. Most of the Kliq crap is better off being forgotten, believe it or not. Anyway, my '96 picks would have to go towards Foley/Michaels (deffinately an exceptionaly match, and Michaels' best of the year), and Austin/Bret, which I found better than the re-match. Also, I have to mention Misterio Vs. Ultimo/Ultimate Dragon match from WWIII, which doesn't seem to get much love from anyone, despite being anything Michaels did that year (I'm not bitter, by the way, just angry). Never saw Benoit/Malenko. That was the one with the wretched crowd of bikers, right? I have to see that one...
Guest bob_barron Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Yea- the match is awesome but the crowd just kills it. My rankings- 96- 1.Bret v. SCSA 2.Foley v. HBK 3.Benoit v. Deam 97- 1.Bret v. SCSA 2.HBK v. Taker 3.Hart Foundation v. SCSA/LOD/Shamrock/Dust 98- 1.Rock v. HHH 2.Dude v. SCSA 3.DDP v. Benoit
Guest RicFlairGlory Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Man I wish I saw more WCW Pay Per Views... All I have are GAB '98 (Fit Finlay is great), and BAtB '98 (yay, Rodzilla *zzzzzz*)
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Taker/Foley gets discarded immediately for not being a match, IMHO. Deffinately not Austin/Michaels, which was just a crippled Michaels not knowing how to work a match without scorching his back, and therefor, doing nothing good. This was post-neck injury Austin, too, who wasn't ready to carry him at that point. All in all, '98 was a pretty horrible year for great match in the WWE, when it all comes down to it. I mean, Austin/Dude Love, when stripped down to just the wrestling part, was simply a fun brawl and not much else. Yeah yeah "defined the WWF style from then on" blah blah blah "revolutionized wrestling" yada yada yada, it doesn't hold up that well. Shit, that leaves WCW, and they weren't exactly setting the world on fire either...umm...lots of the usual Cruiserweight stuff, but nothing on the levle we had seen before...the Benoit/Booker series was nice, but never quite reached the high end levle... umm... I suppose....Benoit/Raven? Yeah, I guess that would be my choice.
Guest Zero_Cool Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I always thought that Malenko/Dragon from Starcade 96 was a MOTYC. But from what I've seen from that year, I would go with Mankind and Michaels at Mind Games.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I always thought that Malenko/Dragon from Starcade 96 was a MOTYC. But from what I've seen from that year, I would go with Mankind and Michaels at Mind Games. Never saw it. I could see it being a MOTYC if they stuck to the NJ Junior style that Ultimo new best. I'm intrigued, so I think I'll track it down. As it stands, I still think Austin/Hart gets the duke for '96. Bret and Austin may have been the most ideal pairing one could possibly think of in 1996.
Guest SlowChemical6 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Show was never released on commercial tape The show WAS released on Coliseum Video, it is just extremely rare. I paid $300 for it and then turned around and sold it on eBay for upwards of $500.
Guest Goodear Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Never saw Benoit/Malenko. That was the one with the wretched crowd of bikers, right? I have to see that one... That match is like so much worse than you would expect with the stupid overtime periods breaking the flow of the entire match (if you want to have a 30 minute match - have a 30 minute match without the built in breaks in the action). The ending sequence with a school boy and Woman-fearence is entirely underwhelming as well.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 That match is like so much worse than you would expect with the stupid overtime periods breaking the flow of the entire match (if you want to have a 30 minute match - have a 30 minute match without the built in breaks in the action). The ending sequence with a school boy and Woman-fearence is entirely underwhelming as well. Yeah, that does sound pretty damn dissapointing, and I'm sure the crowd didn't help. I heard they had a match on Nitro in '98 that was better.
Guest bob_barron Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 I thought the match was good- Hog Wild also has a good Dragon-Rey match and a kickass Eddy-Flair match
Guest wolverine Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 My 1996 NA MOTY was Michaels-Foley. But my overall MOTY was of course Misawa/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 12/6/96. Nothing the WWF has ever done or will ever do can top this. My 1997 NA MOTY was also Rey-Eddy. And the person who said "1.20.97" I'm sure was referring to Misawa vs. Kobashi--the 1997 MOTY.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 My 1996 NA MOTY was Michaels-Foley. But my overall MOTY was of course Misawa/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 12/6/96. Nothing the WWF has ever done or will ever do can top this. My 1997 NA MOTY was also Rey-Eddy. And the person who said "1.20.97" I'm sure was referring to Misawa vs. Kobashi--the 1997 MOTY. Hmm...I seem to be the only one who favors Hart/Austin over Michaels/Foley for '96. Ah well.
Guest Brian Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 You're not the only one. That match, though incredibly good, suffered from not having a finish.
Guest bob_barron Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 My 1996 NA MOTY was Michaels-Foley. But my overall MOTY was of course Misawa/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 12/6/96. Nothing the WWF has ever done or will ever do can top this. My 1997 NA MOTY was also Rey-Eddy. And the person who said "1.20.97" I'm sure was referring to Misawa vs. Kobashi--the 1997 MOTY. Hmm...I seem to be the only one who favors Hart/Austin over Michaels/Foley for '96. Ah well. I like Hart v. Austin better as well Ricky
Guest BionicRedneck Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 1.20.97 Misawa Vs Kobashi? I thought that was one of the most overated matches ever. Don't get me wrong, its an awesome match, but some have called it the best match ever, which seems nuts to me. Oh, and I prefered Austin/Bret too.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Well, it appears I was quite wrong. Nice suprise there. And while I highly disagree with 1/97 being the greatest match of all time, I think it probably was the MOTY for 1997.
Guest Caliban Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Shawn/Bulldog from KOTR 96 and Diesl/Shawn from IYH Good Friends, Better Enemies are NOT on the Best of 1996 tape, if you're talking about the offical release. It does have Michaels/Mankind, though it's probably clipped. It also contains... Bret Hart vs Undertaker, Royal Rumble (crap) Bret Hart vs Diesel, Steel Cage, Feb IYH (not much better) Ahmed Johnson vs Goldust, KOTR 96 (it's Ahmed. Crap) Steve Austin vs Marc Mero, KOTR 96 (great match) Actually, reading this review, it's all clipped...
Guest nWoScorpion Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 WWF 1996 Match of The Year: Shawn Michaels vs. Davey Boy Smith (KOTR) 1997 MOTY: Bret Hart Vs. Steve Austin (WM 13) (i didnt watch WWF in 1997 from april-september so those months i exlude by default) 1998 MOTY: Uh...Dude love vs. Stone Cold (OTE 98) because its the only ME I actually liked a lot. HIAC sucked on a wrestling stand point, since UT had a broken ankle and Mankind had just fallen off the cell TWICe. 1999: MOTY: Mankind Vs. The Rock (RR) Just because. 2000 MOTY: Angle Vs. Jericho Vs. Benoit (WM 2000)
Guest bob_barron Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 WWF 1996 Match of The Year: Shawn Michaels vs. Davey Boy Smith (KOTR) 1997 MOTY: Bret Hart Vs. Steve Austin (WM 13) (i didnt watch WWF in 1997 from april-september so those months i exlude by default) 1998 MOTY: Uh...Dude love vs. Stone Cold (OTE 98) because its the only ME I actually liked a lot. HIAC sucked on a wrestling stand point, since UT had a broken ankle and Mankind had just fallen off the cell TWICe. 1999: MOTY: Mankind Vs. The Rock (RR) Just because. 2000 MOTY: Angle Vs. Jericho Vs. Benoit (WM 2000) As much as I love DBS- Bret v. Austin and some WCW Stuff was better Angle v. Benoit v. Jericho???? That wasn't even the best match at WM.
Guest BionicRedneck Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 Angle v. Benoit v. Jericho???? That wasn't even the best match at WM I agree, i could think of loads of matches better than that from 2000, but, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Guest mach7 Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 HBK vs Mankind? Are we talking about In Your House: Mind Games? Amazing match, if we are.
Guest bob_barron Posted August 7, 2002 Report Posted August 7, 2002 They also had a good match on RAW in 97.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted August 8, 2002 Report Posted August 8, 2002 WWF 1996 Match of The Year: Shawn Michaels vs. Davey Boy Smith (KOTR) 1997 MOTY: Bret Hart Vs. Steve Austin (WM 13) (i didnt watch WWF in 1997 from april-september so those months i exlude by default) 1998 MOTY: Uh...Dude love vs. Stone Cold (OTE 98) because its the only ME I actually liked a lot. HIAC sucked on a wrestling stand point, since UT had a broken ankle and Mankind had just fallen off the cell TWICe. 1999: MOTY: Mankind Vs. The Rock (RR) Just because. 2000 MOTY: Angle Vs. Jericho Vs. Benoit (WM 2000) While I haven't seen Bulldog/Michaels in a while, I remember enjoying Foley/Michaels more. I'm not sure if the rest of your picks are just NA, or just WWF, but for '99 Benoit/Malenko Vs. Raven/Saturn was an easy pick for NA MOTY, and better than anything the WWF pulled off. As for 2000, the Foley/Trips Street Fight blew away anything from Wrestlemania that year.
Guest Caliban Posted August 8, 2002 Report Posted August 8, 2002 My personal picks... 1996 - Mankind/HBK (mind Games) 1997 - Austin/Bret (WM 13) 1998 - Dude Love/Austin (Over the Edge) 1999 - Hardys vs Edge and Christian (No Mercy) 2000 - Rock vs HHH, Iron Man match (Judgment Day)
Guest RicFlairGlory Posted August 8, 2002 Report Posted August 8, 2002 My personal picks... 1996 - Mankind/HBK (mind Games) 1997 - Austin/Bret (WM 13) 1998 - Dude Love/Austin (Over the Edge) 1999 - Hardys vs Edge and Christian (No Mercy) 2000 - Rock vs HHH, Iron Man match (Judgment Day) Well, I cant quite remember all of '99... so I'm gonna leave that one blank, but I think I'd have to go with 1996: Shawn Michaels / Mankind -Mind Games- 1997: Bret Hart / Stone Cold -WrestleMania13- 1998: Dude Love / Stone Cold -Over the Edge- 1999: 2000: Triple H / Cactus Jack -Royal Rumble- (many will disagree, but I thought it was damn good, better than their HIAC match) Mick Foley seems to show up all the time.... and Caliban's pick of Rock/Foley... not a bad choice, I just dont remember enough of '99
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