Cigarettes up to $7.00 a pack!

[Guest EricMM]

Good. Jack up the prices some more, and hopefully we'll eliminate some of the smoking habit around America. I find it DISGUSTING, as do most non-smokers.

You know what? I think the government should jack up taxes on the internet access of IDIOT POSTERS. Hopefully we'll eliminate some of the idiotic posting across America. I find it DISGUSTING, as do most non-idiots.

 

Dude, think before you post. Try a little empathy too. Or just... stop posting.

[Guest J*ingus]

You want to eliminate it? Fine, get cigarettes declared illegal. Until then, don't try to nickel-&-dime a lawful industry to death with a thousand sneaky papercuts.

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Good. Jack up the prices some more, and hopefully we'll eliminate some of the smoking habit around America. I find it DISGUSTING, as do most non-smokers.

You know what? I think the government should jack up taxes on the internet access of IDIOT POSTERS. Hopefully we'll eliminate some of the idiotic posting across America. I find it DISGUSTING, as do most non-idiots.

 

Dude, think before you post. Try a little empathy too. Or just... stop posting.

It's my opinion and I'll post it. If you don't like it you can kiss my ass. I think smoking is disgusting and I'll let you know. I don't care if you like smoking or not... you're entitled to your own opinion, just as I am. That's what this board is about--- your OWN opinion.

[Guest HoffmanHBK]

The only places at the entire college with overhangs to prevent me from getting soaked are in front of doors, if the school took some of the money that they get from my tax money and built a few bus stop like structures for smokers then I would go there, but they won't.  Blame the schools, they are aware of the issues and refuse to do anything about them.

Yeah, but as a non-smoker I'd rather inhale some of your puffs than have my school waste money on such structures. I do think your story is ridiculous, though. People that extreme obviously aren't thinking on the higher levels.

[Guest J*ingus]

"waste money"? We're basically talking about bus stops here, tiny little things that are nothing more than a few benches with a roof over them.

[Guest Olympic Slam]

They really need to put a limit on the amount they're taxing these cigarettes. The do-gooders don't seem to realize that when you hike up the price of something, people are going to look for a better deal, and sometimes that better deal is on the black market. And the black market......

1. Is Tax free, so instead of getting some revenue out of a pack, the do-gooder Liberals get NOTHING for their precious gov't programs. Oops...

2. Creates underground crime. Suddenly dealing smokes starts to sound like a good idea for street dealers and your friendly neighborhood mafia.

3. All that crime can lead to, duh, more criminals. More criminals plug up the justice system, take up space in our prisons and costs the country more in tax money.

 

I'm no fan of smoke (my parents have always smoked) but seriously we need to lay off the smoking community. In California it's ILLEGAL to smoke in a bar and restuarant! It's not even up to the owner of the place! How unfair is that?

[Guest J*ingus]

If I went to a Waffle House for one of my infrequent smoke binges and they told me that I couldn't light up, I think I might just shoot somebody.

[Guest Some Guy]

I love how the argument for the high taxes is, "I think it's disgusting." I think people who were too much perfume smell disgusting, yet I don't run around calling for it to be banned or taxed excessively.

Do you people think before you write such tripe?

[Guest Olympic Slam]

I love how the argument for the high taxes is, "I think it's disgusting." I think people who were too much perfume smell disgusting, yet I don't run around calling for it to be banned or taxed excessively.

Do you people think before you write such tripe?

With their logic, then I guess we'd have to tax the nation's taxi drivers. Converting body odor into tax revenue, to pay for illegal immigrant's medical care could be on your ballot this November!

[Guest Some Guy]

Exactly. Their logic seems to be "tax everything 'cause we don't like it, so you should suffer for it."

 

Liberals tend to be pretty cold hearted when actually look at what they do objectively.

[Guest J*ingus]

Well, I just picked up a pack (Marlboro Menthol Ultra-Light 100s, the only thing I ever smoke), and they were a mere $3.50. God bless the backward-ass redneck crackers who run this proud state!

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Smokers shouldn't complain, at least they can't be arrested for using their chemical of choice.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Smokes are 3.15 a pack around here for Camel or Marlboro. I don't care how much they cost, I will NEVER quit. If they go up to $10 a pack, fine, I'll turn to crime and steal the fuckers. Or else grow my own tobaccy, among other things.

[Guest hardyz1]

You know what? I think prices on cigarettes should be heavily decreased. Then smokers can smoke more and hopefully die quicker.

 

I probably shouldn't say that since my mom is an air polluter, but oh well. As a side note, she has been smoking as long as I can remember, and I have never gotten "used to it". It makes me cough and makes it hard for me to breathe. That is where all my anger towards smokers comes from.

 

Don't get me started on cigars. :::vomit:::

[Guest Samurai_Goat]

Hey, my thinking is, it's your lungs, everybody knows the risks nowadays, and if you're really concerned about 2nd hand smoke, go somewhere else. Not like it'll be hard to find. My parents smoke, I just make sure I'm somewhere else at the time.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Good. Jack up the prices some more, and hopefully we'll eliminate some of the smoking habit around America. I find it DISGUSTING, as do most non-smokers.

I don't smoke, but I'm not going to infringe on someone elses right to by supporting a tax increase like this one. Seriously, I have been around people who smoke and it is not the end of the world. Like someone else said, most of you guys are really blowing this second-hand smoke debacle out of proportions. If you are walking to school and someone is smoking in front of you, cross the street, walk around them, etc.

 

As for whomever it was that I just quoted, are you saying that because some people find smoking disgusting, smokers should have to pay more for their cigs? Going by that logic, Christian groups around the world should already have caused tax increases on porn, Rated R movies, and music because I'm pretty sure they find all of that to be DISGUSTING. In the end, if you don't want to inhale second-hand smoke, that's fine. There are PLENTY of ways to avoid it that wouldn't really inconvience you. Smokers know about the health risks that they are going to face because of their habit. If they still want to smoke that's fine and the govenment should find another way to increase revenue.

[Guest Some Guy]

If they still want to smoke that's fine and the govenment should find another way to increase revenue.

Like by decreasing spending.

 

Good points Rob.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Time for another MegaPost, it seems.

 

Some Guy:

You've just answered your own question. If the cigarette companies volunteered the info about Cigarettes fewer people would smoke, causing them to go out of business.

 

That's no reason to allow them to keep this kind of information classified. Fast Food companies give out pamphlets with information regarding their nutrition and fat contents and they're not going out of business.

 

What prevents you from just going outside when I light a Cigarette? Oh yeah, you're more important than a lowly smoker

 

People aren't born to smoke. People are born, though, capable of developing illnesses from smoking exposure. I'm receiving more chemicals than you are, actually.

 

Just because you have never even considered that a smoker is an actual person just like you

 

That's not true at all. As I said, my own Dad is a smoker. He just wishes he could quit. But that doesn't mean I hate him or something. However, I do have a lower opinion of someone if my first impression of them is with a cigarette hanging out of their mouths. Also, I do have pangs of disappointment if I make a new friend and find out later that they smoke. This is simply because I don't like being around cigarette smoke. It's just part of my personality to avoid it. Everyone around it smells bad and it irritates my throat, as I've found out after being in smoke-filled rooms for 5-15 minutes.

 

However, I'm not like Hardyz1 here going on about "scumbag smokers."

 

so the company nicelt built the smokers a few shelters so they wouldn't get soaked. Well that was apparently too good for the lowly smokers and some asshole complained to the Board of Heath

 

Well, at least it's not like you're trying to hide your political bias or anything.

 

A question though: Do you even admit that it's an addiction? I'm especially curious since you seem to profile smoking as akin to breastfeeding a baby or something, and act as though you simply cannot just wait until later and smoke then.

 

Marney:

Incidentally, using California as an example doesn't do much to bolster your argument. 1100 bars have gone out of business since they instituted their idiotic laws. There's a reason it's called the most clueless state in the Union.

 

Well, I've been born and raised here, although I have seen plenty of stupidity in that time. However, what percentage of bars was that? How much larger is that percentage than the average state?

 

And it's not like I'll miss the bars either. They can attract crime and unsavory types. I'd rather have a 7-11 or something than a bar, where at least many people would wait to get home before being drunk than doing it in my neighborhood.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

A question though: Do you even admit that it's an addiction? I'm especially curious since you seem to profile smoking as akin to breastfeeding a baby or something, and act as though you simply cannot just wait until later and smoke then.

dude, it's TOTALLY an addiction. and if you've got any of those, you know damn well that they don't just wait until later. I'm also the only smoker who actually enjoys smoking. I like the taste, the smell, how I feel after smoking a cigarette after I eat or whatever, aside from the money and the whole cancer thing, I'd recommend it to people.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

dude, it's TOTALLY an addiction. and if you've got any of those, you know damn well that they don't just wait until later.

Not unless you actually manually apply self-control.

 

As for the "I'll grow my own if I have to" people, more power to you. My problem with smoking isn't smoking itself (although I don't like it, I understand that everyone is free to do what they like, etc) it's the addition of the nicotine that the big companies add that tick me off, to intentionally make you dependant on cigarettes. Homegrown cigs don't have that, so if you want to smoke because you like to smoke, go ahead. People who smoke because the nicotine makes them keep needing to smoke are the problem.

[Guest Some Guy]

Some Guy:

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You've just answered your own question. If the cigarette companies volunteered the info about Cigarettes fewer people would smoke, causing them to go out of business.

 

 

That's no reason to allow them to keep this kind of information classified. Fast Food companies give out pamphlets with information regarding their nutrition and fat contents and they're not going out of business.

 

But is McDonalds heavily taxed for their unheathful foods? No, so they have no reason to hide it. If the tobacco companies weren't assualted by the Feds and State every other day I doubt they'd care too much about releasing ingrediants.

 

 

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What prevents you from just going outside when I light a Cigarette? Oh yeah, you're more important than a lowly smoker

 

 

People aren't born to smoke. People are born, though, capable of developing illnesses from smoking exposure. I'm receiving more chemicals than you are, actually.

 

How is it that I who is directly inhaling the smoke and then reinhaling the second hand smoke gets fewer chemicals than you? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

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so the company nicelt built the smokers a few shelters so they wouldn't get soaked. Well that was apparently too good for the lowly smokers and some asshole complained to the Board of Heath  

 

 

Well, at least it's not like you're trying to hide your political bias or anything.

 

A question though: Do you even admit that it's an addiction? I'm especially curious since you seem to profile smoking as akin to breastfeeding a baby or something, and act as though you simply cannot just wait until later and smoke then.

 

I don't se my political bias in that quote, but no I don't make too much of an effort to hide it. And yes it is primarily the left who has the Jihad against smokers.

 

Yes smoking is an addiction and it is very hard not to smoke when you need a BUTT. I was at teh movies with my girl the other day and and after an hour and a half my leg was shaking up and down, fi I go longer i sometimes start to cough and get acid reflux. So just waiting sometimes isn't an option unless you want me to be a cranky, coughing, shaking, asshole.

 

 

 

 

dude, it's TOTALLY an addiction. and if you've got any of those, you know damn well that they don't just wait until later. I'm also the only smoker who actually enjoys smoking. I like the taste, the smell, how I feel after smoking a cigarette after I eat or whatever, aside from the money and the whole cancer thing, I'd recommend it to people.

 

Not true i enjoy smoking as well, if I didn't I never would have had a second cigarette.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

But is McDonalds heavily taxed for their unheathful foods? No, so they have no reason to hide it. If the tobacco companies weren't assualted by the Feds and State every other day I doubt they'd care too much about releasing ingrediants.

 

Cigarettes have been around for decades now. The nicotine as well as the other toxins have as well. Back in the day when smoking was an okey-dokey habit that was advertised all over TV, there was no information on this either.

 

How is it that I who is directly inhaling the smoke and then reinhaling the second hand smoke gets fewer chemicals than you? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

You have the filter between you and the cigarette. Others don't.

 

I don't se my political bias in that quote

 

Well, you're painting a picture of all smokers as some poor victimized minority. There's a difference between people who smoke and people who will be in a wheelchair their entire life. You seem to see them as similar handicaps.

 

Yes smoking is an addiction and it is very hard not to smoke when you need a BUTT

 

So you can't understand why the comapnies that knowingly put in a chemical to cause such a reaction should be investigated, or even taxed (although I will admit taxes in a few places are rather insane?)

 

I was at teh movies with my girl the other day and and after an hour and a half my leg was shaking up and down, fi I go longer i sometimes start to cough and get acid reflux. So just waiting sometimes isn't an option unless you want me to be a cranky, coughing, shaking, asshole.

 

So, I've finally got your whole point:

 

You should be left alone because you're hopelessly addicted to this substance and you don't even have the willpower to fight the addiction, nor do you want to bother. You easily admit that this is habit-forming, but instead of fixing that, you want the world to be made easier for the addicted.

 

At least, that's what it sounds like.

 

Okay, yeah whatever. Moving beyond smoking in restaurants in things, if they could just get the nicotine out of cigarettes, I think the world could be an easier place. Although you may enjoy smoking, there's many who don't and would like to stop but can't for the situations you describe.

[Guest J*ingus]

You have the filter between you and the cigarette. Others don't.

 

The "non-smokers breath in more chemicals than smokers because of the filter" theory is a complete fallacy. The cigarette, by definition, is closer to the nose and mouth of the person smoking it than anyone else 99% of the time. Therefore, smokers breathe in more second-hand smoke off the burning tip than nonsmoking bystanders.

 

So you can't understand why the comapnies that knowingly put in a chemical to cause such a reaction should be investigated, or even taxed (although I will admit taxes in a few places are rather insane?)

 

Sure they should be investigated if they're lying, and taxed to a degree. But they shouldn't be taxed more than any other consumer product. There are plenty of other harmful, addictive substances (such as alcohol, which has caused more deaths than smoking ever will) which aren't excessively taxed. It's a double-standard, which is only allowed because cigarettes are politically incorrect.

[Guest TJH]

Smokes are 3.15 a pack around here for Camel or Marlboro. I don't care how much they cost, I will NEVER quit. If they go up to $10 a pack, fine, I'll turn to crime and steal the fuckers. Or else grow my own tobaccy, among other things.

Funniest thing I've read this week.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Nicotine occurs naturally in tobacco, it's not just an additive. Smoke is smoke, and none of it is especially good for you. Most of the toxins in cigarettes are from additives though. The paper is also quite unhealthy.

[Guest Some Guy]

Well, you're painting a picture of all smokers as some poor victimized minority. There's a difference between people who smoke and people who will be in a wheelchair their entire life. You seem to see them as similar handicaps.

 

Not always. What if the wheelchair bound person was drunk and crashed into a phone pole causing his condition and making it his own fault? Should we not let them go on the ramps for the natural cripples?

 

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How is it that I who is directly inhaling the smoke and then reinhaling the second hand smoke gets fewer chemicals than you? Doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

You have the filter between you and the cigarette. Others don't.

 

Jingus handled this one adn so did I in my post (now in bold) which you apparently didn't read very carefully.

 

, I've finally got your whole point:

 

You should be left alone because you're hopelessly addicted to this substance and you don't even have the willpower to fight the addiction, nor do you want to bother. You easily admit that this is habit-forming, but instead of fixing that, you want the world to be made easier for the addicted.

 

No I should be left alone because I leave everyone else alone and don't constantly interject into their lives.

 

Okay, yeah whatever. Moving beyond smoking in restaurants in things, if they could just get the nicotine out of cigarettes, I think the world could be an easier place. Although you may enjoy smoking, there's many who don't and would like to stop but can't for the situations you describe

 

Nicotine occurs naturally in Tobacco, cigarette comapnies don;t add any. They add various flavoring agents, things to keep them fresh, to make them smoke better, etc.. Most of that stuff isn't good for you, but that's just the way it is.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

The whole smoking thing is an issue about where rights of one stop and rights of another start and all that. What cracks me up is the idea that just maybe the ACLU could fly in for either side and make statements about "infringements of rights".

 

Personally, I despise the smell of cigarette smoke. A group of friends and myself went to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch Summerslam. The guy at the next table was pretty much the worst chain smoker I've ever seen, literally buring through a pack, end to end on the cigarettes. Irritated the hell out of me and gave me one hell of a cough, but I dealt with it. Who was right? Was it his right to burn through tobacco or was it my right to tell him to shove it up his ass? There isn't really an answer. It's both of our rights to be there and there aren't smoking sections in the place. So, I dealt with it.

 

Even though we get so much crap, God bless Kentucky. We don't sue over every damn thing...

[Guest Some Guy]

Honestly he was right because it is an all smoking place, but he should probably take into consideration that others around him might not like it and smoke less. That's what I do at the few restaraunts I can smoke in. I usually smoke right after I order and then have one after my meal. I don;t sit there and blow smoke all over people who are eating because I don;t want people to do that to me. It common courtesy, something most people from both sides of this argument are severely lacking in (I mean that in general, not necesarrily about the posters here).

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Guy, I agree with you. It was an all smoking resturant which is part of why I didn't say anything. I just lived with it. That by itself wasn't going to kill me. Bear in mind that he was also watching the Little League World Series (which caused the whole damn resturant to miss the Rey/Angle match. Dammit) but what I was saying is that maybe his nerves were shot that badly. Hell, I dunno.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Cigarettes have been around for decades now.

Try centuries, slugger.

 

Back in the day when smoking was an okey-dokey habit that was advertised all over TV, there was no information on this either.

Like, in 1587? Information on the harmful effects of tobacco hasn't just appeared overnight. It's been around. Expecting companies to voluntarily shout from the rooftops about the disadvantages of their products is amusingly naive, but futile. Caveat emptor.

 

I've finally got your whole point:

You should be left alone because you're hopelessly addicted to this substance and you don't even have the willpower to fight the addiction, nor do you want to bother. You easily admit that this is habit-forming, but instead of fixing that, you want the world to be made easier for the addicted...

Although you may enjoy smoking, there's many who don't and would like to stop but can't

Maybe that's his point. Mine was something like, "I'm free to make my own mistakes, don't tell me how to live, don't you dare tell me I'm a helpless victim of nicotine and advertising, keep your laws off my body, fuck you, please drive through."

 

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