Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted August 14, 2002 Godfather No explanations needed However, What's up with TNN promoting the film using a bunch a 20-somethings getting their groove on in a rave club, what does that have to do with THE GODFATHER?!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted August 14, 2002 Fight Club self discovery F the establishment Fight Club would be my choice for sure. It was one of those movies that after it was over you feel like someone wrote it just so you would enjoy it and get something out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NaturalBornThriller4:20 Report post Posted August 14, 2002 KKK-beat-me-to-it. I-too-say"Office-Space" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted August 15, 2002 Fight Club self discovery F the establishment Fight Club would be my choice for sure. It was one of those movies that after it was over you feel like someone wrote it just so you would enjoy it and get something out of it. hmm...you guys do realize that, for all the individuality and anti-establishment sentiments, 'fight club' is basically a corporate film, right? sponsored by a major studio, used product placement to help with the budget, etc. i enjoy 'fight club' a great deal, but i just can't take the message seriously. it's all about anti-commercialism & homogeneity, yet pepsi paid them to place it in the movie. it's kind of like if bill gates were to make a speech about how evil monopolies & corporations are. a major studio made such an anti-establishment movie because the anti-establishment/counterculture/whatever image is popular, especially with young people. 'fight club' itself is a marketed product, and contradicts itself. i saw a friend of mine wearing a 'fight club' hat & thought, "isn't that exactly the kind of thing tyler durden would be AGAINST?" the guy thought the anti-establishment image was cool, and bought a cap from the establishment to express how fed up he was with the establishment. the appeal of the movie is that we're all fed up with living these shallow, corporate-dictated lives, and it uses that appeal to sell itself to us. there's no force behind the message, it's just an advertising trick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted August 15, 2002 I gotta say, LexLugerRules, I like your taste in football teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted August 15, 2002 hmm...you guys do realize that, for all the individuality and anti-establishment sentiments, 'fight club' is basically a corporate film, right? sponsored by a major studio, used product placement to help with the budget, etc. Yeah, one of the things that I always have found ironic is the little speech that Brad Pitt gives about being raised to think we'll be movie stars etc. but we won't. The ironic part being that Brad Pitt is one of the biggets movie stars of the past few years. It's an awesome movie though, and it never gets old for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LexLugerRules Report post Posted August 15, 2002 I gotta say, LexLugerRules, I like your taste in football teams YAY! I'm not the only Rams fan! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted August 15, 2002 "KKK-beat-me-to-it." Don't worry, there's plenty of Milton to go around... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted August 15, 2002 'ghost world'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Narcoleptic Jumper Report post Posted August 16, 2002 Pulp Fiction. Ground breaking, unique, offensive, and brilliant in every way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lethargic Report post Posted August 16, 2002 hmm...you guys do realize that, for all the individuality and anti-establishment sentiments, 'fight club' is basically a corporate film, right? sponsored by a major studio, used product placement to help with the budget, etc. Yeah and whats your point? That's how you get movies made. Without product placement and a major studio, it POSSIBLY could've been just as good, but 5 people would've seen it and nobody would've heard the message the movie tries to relay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooseCannon Report post Posted August 16, 2002 I'll second whoever said Rushmore, and Pulp Fiction is a close second. godthedog's comments on Fight Club are spot on. Though it is a very good movie, hollywood tarnished the purity of its message, not just with the product placement, but with some of the elements in the film that were there only to increase the film's commercial appeal. I'd recommend the book to anyone, by the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted August 16, 2002 hmm...you guys do realize that, for all the individuality and anti-establishment sentiments, 'fight club' is basically a corporate film, right? sponsored by a major studio, used product placement to help with the budget, etc. Yeah and whats your point? That's how you get movies made. Without product placement and a major studio, it POSSIBLY could've been just as good, but 5 people would've seen it and nobody would've heard the message the movie tries to relay. 'fight club' probably would've been better as a low-budget indie film. fincher cares too much about his craft & not enough about his message, & the slickness of the production hurt the overall effect, imo. it's just weird having a director who's such a perfectionist & a stickler for detail make a film that tries to tell us to "be imperfect" and "evolve." would've been a better project for someone with a more fast & loose style, like early truffaut or, dare i say it...godard. and a story as good as that, done by the right people, would be guaranteed to get at least as much attention as something similar by a major studio. 'kids', 'boys don't cry' and 'the blair witch project' didn't have major studio backing, & millions of people saw them. and, since it's a corporate product, the message becomes meaningless. why should i believe the film's philosophy when the whole nature of the film's existence contradicts that philosophy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted August 16, 2002 Um, I thought the whole point of Fight Club was that Tyler Durdan was wrong, and his "revolution" only created a new, different style of faceless conformity? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted August 16, 2002 tyler's solution to the problem was wrong. the movie didn't offer any other solutions, so viewers still went home with the message that corporate america turns you into a faceless, ikea-buying robot. if you listen to the commentary, they all still basically agree that corporate america sucks, but that the narrator's way of dealing with it (turning to nihilism, etc) was totally wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Intimacy Goblin Report post Posted August 16, 2002 Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is the epitome of movies. Humor, action, social commentary, authentic sets, and brilliant read BRILLIANT acting and direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lord of The Curry Report post Posted August 16, 2002 Eh, I've got a couple. In terms of what I can relate to the most, oddly enough it would have to be I Am Sam. No, I'm not mentally challenged and don't have a kid or a lawyer, I can just relate to Sam. Why? One line: " You don't know what it's like when you try and you try and you try and you don't ever get there. Because you were born perfect and I was born like this." Like I said, I don't really have disabilities, I just know a lot about trying and never getting there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Narcoleptic Jumper Report post Posted August 16, 2002 hmm...you guys do realize that, for all the individuality and anti-establishment sentiments, 'fight club' is basically a corporate film, right? sponsored by a major studio, used product placement to help with the budget, etc. It's a MOVIE. Suspend your disbelief. Pretend it's actually happening. That's what we're supposed to do with movies, isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest massivHEDtrauma Report post Posted August 17, 2002 Fight Club, despite the faults that have been listed here, is one of the few movies I have ever seen that has completely knocked me on my ass. I remember coming out of the theatre thinking "my God, I've just seen the greatest thing EVER." It's just so...ingenious. So, even if it was a commercial movie put out by a major studio, it doesn't short-change its greatness. At all. And I think Fincher was absolutely the perfect guy to direct it, as his visual style perfectly suited the tone of the book. I hate it when directors don't match the tone of the original work (save for when Kubrick did it, then he usually improved on it). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest massivHEDtrauma Report post Posted August 17, 2002 Fight Club isn't my pick though. For that, I've got to second Pulp Fiction. It's funny, has action, has drama, has great acting and directing, and it's long, dammit! Second favorite movie ever. As for a movie that reflects who I am, it's got to be Swingers - but I'm no swinger. I'm John Favreau in that flick. He is me, down to the inability to get over women, the influence of crazed buddies, and the idiocy with which he often operates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted August 17, 2002 hmm...you guys do realize that, for all the individuality and anti-establishment sentiments, 'fight club' is basically a corporate film, right? sponsored by a major studio, used product placement to help with the budget, etc. It's a MOVIE. Suspend your disbelief. Pretend it's actually happening. That's what we're supposed to do with movies, isn't it? actually...if you think about it, i don't know that 'fight club' WANTS you to suspend your disbelief. it broke the 4th wall a whole lot, & was constantly drawing attention to the fact that it was only a movie (flashback humor, cigarette burns, all that good shit). that was part of its appeal for me. i've knocked it a lot, but i don't want to give the impression that i don't like 'fight club'. i love it, & it was one of the bestmovies of that entire 1999 wave of good-to-great, groundbreaking movies ('blair witch project', 'the matrix', 'american beauty', 'magnolia', 'the insider', 'eyes wide shut', 'three kings', 'being john malkovich', 'boys don't cry', 'the war zone'...jesus 1999 was a great year for movies). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
